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post #3811 of 5316
I purchased the first generation floorstanders, center and surrounds last summer from Best Buy but they only had the floor model of the BS-21s. The bottom edges were a little scuffed up but since they were going in my basement setup and wouldn't be seen I didn't care. I may be moving them to another setup where they'd be more visible. I guess I could contact Pioneer to see if they have some kind of touch-up stick or something. Wondering if anybody has used anything to touch up their speakers.
post #3812 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Necromancyr View Post

So...I got my BS22/C22 fronts and BS21 sides finally setup completely - and using the thicker speaker wire from I grabbed from Monoprice (is it ok to name them?) instead of the think 18-20 gauge crap I had from my old HTIB setup - and...holy god damn. I mean...wow. For the first time in a LONG time I actually sat and just listened to music for a good half hour...and wow. I'm hearing things I never heard before - distinct hits on instruments, percussion hits I never realized I should hear, actual pick hits....just wow.

Gotta say...I know these aren't 'the best of the best' but...these really improved my listening experience a ton. Thanks to everyone both on this thread and others that gave advice and led me to these. Definitely worth the money and a HUGE improvement over what I had!

Same thing I noticed as soon as I got mine hooked up...they are damned impressive.
post #3813 of 5316
I don't know what other people are saying, I think the floorstanding speakers look very nice. Of course, they're replacing some 19 year old bookshelf speakers on stands that I made haha.
post #3814 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Golfdad123 View Post

I purchased the first generation floorstanders, center and surrounds last summer from Best Buy but they only had the floor model of the BS-21s. The bottom edges were a little scuffed up but since they were going in my basement setup and wouldn't be seen I didn't care. I may be moving them to another setup where they'd be more visible. I guess I could contact Pioneer to see if they have some kind of touch-up stick or something. Wondering if anybody has used anything to touch up their speakers.

The old black veneer "fixer" is the Sharpie. For scratches I usually just follow the scratch and wipe over the line I just followed with my finger to pick up excess. I've touched up Dunlavys, Tannoys and others with a Sharpie and it's very hard to tell that there were scratches at any distance.
post #3815 of 5316
Anyone using the 2nd gen towers with a tube amp? I just picked up a pair to start building a budget analog system.
post #3816 of 5316
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Originally Posted by drewTT View Post

Anyone using the 2nd gen towers with a tube amp? I just picked up a pair to start building a budget analog system.
I would like to think they'll play nice together. Please post your impression of them 2nd gen speakers after you get them together.
post #3817 of 5316
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Originally Posted by vraxoin View Post

The old black veneer "fixer" is the Sharpie. For scratches I usually just follow the scratch and wipe over the line I just followed with my finger to pick up excess. I've touched up Dunlavys, Tannoys and others with a Sharpie and it's very hard to tell that there were scratches at any distance.

Black Sharpies aren't black. They're a very dark purple. I've used them in the past to cover scratches in speakers and audio equipment -- and have usually regretted it. It can leave you with something that looks worse then before you "repaired" it, especially under certain types of lighting.
post #3818 of 5316
Hi all,

I know a few people have discussed using the Pinpoint AM-40B to wall-mount their BS41s / BS21s / BS22s, but I was wondering if people could comment a little bit more on how well the mount clamps to the speaker, given that the Pioneer BSs have curved cabinets? It seems that the smart thing to do is to also secure the bottom of the speaker to the mount, by using something like Velcro or adhesive strips.

Also, I read that the bookshelves are supposed to have at least 6 inches clearance from the wall for optimal sound - do the Pinpoint mounts provide this kind of clearance, and if not, is that an issue?

And is there any kind of clever way to hide the speaker wire along the arm of the mount?

Thanks!
post #3819 of 5316
I bought the SP-BS22-LR bookshelf speakers recently from Best Buy on sale, and I gotta say I love them. I originally intended to use them with my secondary audio system, but they actually sound better than my 25 year old JBL towers (except for the bass) so for now, they're my mains. They actually look a lot better in person than the pictures and I'm glad they replaced the metal grilles with a removable cloth one from the previous model. I definitely hoping for a $400-800 mid-level range to come out with some real wood veneer finishes like the Wharfedales.
post #3820 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Halfbreedinkc View Post

I'm considering the 22's vs. the 41's and was wondering what folks thought? I'm currently running a set of BIC DV-62si's for front L/R and an original DV-62CLRS for my center (no rears currently), which is huge compared to centers I see today. My main reason for looking at them quite simply, I'm currently "downsizing" and will shortly be relocating to a much smaller place and won't need big speakers - the majority of the time, the system is used for movies/surround sound, but I do like to listen to music (all varieties), albeit at substantially less than "make your ears bleed" levels these days.

Being from the "old school" I can't imagine a 4" driver performing equally, let alone better than, a 5.25" driver. Thoughts? It's too bad they can't both be auditioned together. Although I do understand that driver technology advances have been substantial in the last 15 years plus.

Right now I'm driving the BIC's with an older Sony DB930, which I'm also planning on replacing in the very near future (and planning to go with the "less is more" philosophy there as well).

Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Moved my Pioneer 5.1 set with 51's as main down stairs from my upstairs media room for the Bic's moved to upstairs.
post #3821 of 5316
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Originally Posted by limsilas View Post

Hi all,

I know a few people have discussed using the Pinpoint AM-40B to wall-mount their BS41s / BS21s / BS22s, but I was wondering if people could comment a little bit more on how well the mount clamps to the speaker, given that the Pioneer BSs have curved cabinets? It seems that the smart thing to do is to also secure the bottom of the speaker to the mount, by using something like Velcro or adhesive strips.

Also, I read that the bookshelves are supposed to have at least 6 inches clearance from the wall for optimal sound - do the Pinpoint mounts provide this kind of clearance, and if not, is that an issue?

And is there any kind of clever way to hide the speaker wire along the arm of the mount?

Thanks!

Solution to all of the above issues,
post #3822 of 5316
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

Solution to all of the above issues,

And that thing is made of braided speaker wire, so it's a one part solution.
post #3823 of 5316
hey guys....
I would love to go thru the entire 128 pages of these thread.. but, it is simply way to much to read wink.gif

I am just wondering whats Your opinion... are these speakers anywhere at close level to brands like:
Ascend http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

OR

Arx A1b http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?p=arx-a1b-monitor-loudspeaker&products_id=65&

OR any of the DefTech Studiomonitors 350/450, SM45???

I know price for the Pioneer is very low.. but are they as good as people say? or its better to save for something from above list?

Thanks a lot for input.
post #3824 of 5316
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Originally Posted by cub4bearin View Post

hey guys....
I would love to go thru the entire 128 pages of these thread.. but, it is simply way to much to read wink.gif

I am just wondering whats Your opinion... are these speakers anywhere at close level to brands like:
Ascend http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html

OR

Arx A1b http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?p=arx-a1b-monitor-loudspeaker&products_id=65&

OR any of the DefTech Studiomonitors 350/450, SM45???

I know price for the Pioneer is very low.. but are they as good as people say? or its better to save for something from above list?

Thanks a lot for input.

The Pioneer speakers (especially 2nd gen) are phenomenal for the price. However, the Ascend, Arx, and Deftech speakers (SM45, SM55 not the 350s or 450s) you mentioned are on another level.
post #3825 of 5316
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Originally Posted by postrokfan View Post

The Pioneer speakers (especially 2nd gen) are phenomenal for the price. However, the Ascend, Arx, and Deftech speakers (SM45, SM55 not the 350s or 450s) you mentioned are on another level.

I recently upgraded from the Pioneers to the Def Tech sm450s, and they too are on 'another level'! For the price, the Pioneers are still VERY hard to beat and I recommend them to anyone to try!
post #3826 of 5316
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Originally Posted by vraxoin View Post

The old black veneer "fixer" is the Sharpie. For scratches I usually just follow the scratch and wipe over the line I just followed with my finger to pick up excess. I've touched up Dunlavys, Tannoys and others with a Sharpie and it's very hard to tell that there were scratches at any distance.

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Originally Posted by skriefal View Post

Black Sharpies aren't black. They're a very dark purple. I've used them in the past to cover scratches in speakers and audio equipment -- and have usually regretted it. It can leave you with something that looks worse then before you "repaired" it, especially under certain types of lighting./quote]



I tried a sharpie on some Yamaha speakers and they didn't look very good but they were plastic. I guess it depends on the cabinet. I think there might be scuffs on the bottom, if so I'll give it a try there first but I'm guessing it won't match.
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post #3828 of 5316
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0S6-0016-00020

Will bestbuy price match this?

Usually no retailer will PM an out of stock item. But if they do, they'll match the after shipping price. Wait around for Amazon to drop them back down to $100 each with free shipping and no tax for most.
post #3829 of 5316
Been waiting man....how long has it been?
post #3830 of 5316
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

Been waiting man....how long has it been?

It was last $100 right at the end of January. You could set a price alert on camelcamelcamel.com.
post #3831 of 5316
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Originally Posted by The Murderousone View Post

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=0S6-0016-00020

Will bestbuy price match this?

I had BB PM these for $100 ea from TigerDirect. They didn't include the shipping either. Not sure if I just got the right manager, but it's worth a shot.
post #3832 of 5316
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Here are mine price matched with tigerdirect. But I don't like them so they going back. Overall good deal though.
post #3833 of 5316
Why do you not like them???
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Here's another option for rear mounting the bookshelves. Once I finally installed everything in my livingroom; floors, center, bookshelves, and klipsch 12 sub, I was VERY impressed with the sound. Running this all off a Pioneer 1021k. Never pushed it past -10 and strong clear sound in my large room.
Edited by mrmabry - 2/21/13 at 7:08pm
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So here's a crazy question. If you were to say, I'm going to upgrade my system from the Andrew Jones second generation to next level system. What would that system be? Just wondering. I own the first generation and love it but have always wonderes w at i would upgrade to when the time comes. (Besides the 2nd gen)
post #3836 of 5316
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Originally Posted by raypjuarez View Post

So here's a crazy question. If you were to say, I'm going to upgrade my system from the Andrew Jones second generation to next level system. What would that system be? Just wondering. I own the first generation and love it but have always wonderes w at i would upgrade to when the time comes. (Besides the 2nd gen)

I'm currently at this point. I want to upgrade my front three with something a level or two above. At the moment I'm thinking of going with Wharfedale 10.2's with matching center or Focal Chorus 706V. From everything I'm reading about the speakers I mentioned, they're about 3 or 4 steps above the Pioneers. I have the first gen floor standers and center btw.

I believe one step above the Pioneer's would be the Infinity Primus P363? Not sure really.
post #3837 of 5316
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Originally Posted by raypjuarez View Post

So here's a crazy question. If you were to say, I'm going to upgrade my system from the Andrew Jones second generation to next level system. What would that system be? Just wondering. I own the first generation and love it but have always wonderes w at i would upgrade to when the time comes. (Besides the 2nd gen)

EMP TEK, HTD, HSU, and many more but those three are probably the best bang for $$$.
post #3838 of 5316
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Originally Posted by cub4bearin View Post

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Here are mine price matched with tigerdirect. But I don't like them so they going back. Overall good deal though.

You are not alone. I didn't like them either. They were good speakers for the money, but I ended up liking the Monitor 70's better. If I wouldn't of been able to get the 70s, I would of gone with the pioneer set up.
post #3839 of 5316
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Originally Posted by raypjuarez View Post

So here's a crazy question. If you were to say, I'm going to upgrade my system from the Andrew Jones second generation to next level system. What would that system be? Just wondering. I own the first generation and love it but have always wonderes w at i would upgrade to when the time comes. (Besides the 2nd gen)
I went Definitive Technology and moved my Pionners to the computer room
post #3840 of 5316
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Originally Posted by raypjuarez View Post

So here's a crazy question. If you were to say, I'm going to upgrade my system from the Andrew Jones second generation to next level system. What would that system be? Just wondering. I own the first generation and love it but have always wonderes w at i would upgrade to when the time comes. (Besides the 2nd gen)

The first thing to upgrade is the subwoofer, which is not up to the same level as the rest of the Andrew Jones Pioneer line. Get a sub in the $500-$1000 range (go to the subwoofer forum for specific suggestions) and you'll have a solid foundation for your Andrew Jones speakers.
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