Pioneer's Speaker Genius Hits Low Price Point - Page 131

Originally Posted by Louquid 

I just meant that his budget was $300. Also that while you think it takes as much bass as you have to match the Pioneers, it doesn't. The distortion gets pretty rough if you really try to crank up the Pioneers. But you probably can't hear it due to all the bass you have. lol.

Crank the Pioneer's with your subs off and tell me how great they sound at high levels. Now go back with your subs and tell me if you don't still notice the distortion and lack of clarity from your mains.

Or don't. Because I did this and it set me on a path to upgrade all of my speakers.

Originally Posted by JD in NJ 

And when asked for advice on which economy car to purchase do you often recommend a Veyron?

Originally Posted by RPGMasta 

4x 15" in a 1200cu ft room and you say they're balanced with these tiny Pioneers?

Originally Posted by molachai 

Dropped the hammer on a complete set of these from Pioneer today. Will be pairing them with an Onkyo NR818 as soon as the price comes within my range. Can't wait.

Originally Posted by nograveconcern 

I hate car analogies. I've had good luck with Toyota products though.

Originally Posted by JD in NJ 

And when asked for advice on which economy car to purchase do you often recommend a Veyron?

Originally Posted by JD in NJ 

Well, substitute what you like, then. Here are some options:

Fast food place/The Four Seasons?

Day Trip/Hawaii?

Calculator/Core i7 system with 32 Gigs of RAM, Terabyte SSD and quad 25" IPS monitors?

Originally Posted by Conspiracy* 

Thank you for the recommendations of the Klipsch. Are there any recommended clips I should listen to find the
sub 35Mz range we're discussing?

Originally Posted by bonginator 

Any update on your thoughts on this setup? I was thinking of doing the same with an Onkyo NR717 but am a bit concerned the andrew jones floor standing and bookshelf will be too underpowered in my 23 x 23 x 10 foot height living room.

They get such good reviews that I was tempted. My other alternative is either all Mordaunt shorts or the infinity P363/C251 combo.

I currently have some 100 watt old infinity kappa 5.1 speakers and SB-1 sub that do just fine in the room but am wanting to upgrade my system.

I'd love some feedback from the original poster on how the Andrew Jones set is working out for him and also feedback on the alternatives above from the group!

Thanks

Originally Posted by [Irishman] 

Congrats! You're gonna love them.

Come back to the forum and let us know how everything is working, if you can tear yourself away from them, that is!

Originally Posted by Bond 007 

Set the volume on the F12 in the middle and the crossover on the sub all the way up. Then run YPAO. Then set all speakers to small.

Originally Posted by omg1337kkthx 

Hey everyone,

I was hoping to ask a couple questions about these speakers.

1) I have the entire set of the first phase of these speakers. I've considered replacing the bs21s with fs52s from the new line. I have a BIC F12 for my sub. Would this be a worthwhile venture?

2) if so, what do a pair of fs52s cost? I assume I won't find them for 100 a pair like I did with the fs51

(My receiver is a denon avr-1913)

Originally Posted by omg1337kkthx 

Hey everyone,

I was hoping to ask a couple questions about these speakers.

1) I have the entire set of the first phase of these speakers. I've considered replacing the bs21s with fs52s from the new line. I have a BIC F12 for my sub. Would this be a worthwhile venture?

2) if so, what do a pair of fs52s cost? I assume I won't find them for 100 a pair like I did with the fs51

(My receiver is a denon avr-1913)

Originally Posted by Omni009 

OK, so now that I've had a chance to do some reading on all things audio & home theater, here's my new update with these speakers (& the BIC 12). I was actually disappointed with my initial experiences with my new home theater. It was really, really bass heavy...low end-y, not sure how best to describe it. At low volumes I could hear the sound, but the sub would shake the whole room and audio seemed like it lacked everything but bass. This was even after I set speaker distances and change the Ohms setting to 6 from 8.

Then I ran the YAPO on the Yamaha. Night and day difference! Sounds like a home theater now with the sub only providing the extra punch and not rattling everything all the time. I must say, I was amazed at all the LFE contained in movies that you just don't hear without a sub. Notes would just disappear if I went back and forth between on and off. Can't wait to try out all the sound on various Blu Rays I own. I already fired up the beginning scene of "Star Trek", some of the first part of "Thor", and the fish tank tapping on the glass from "Finding Nemo". Can't wait to hear something like the podracing scene from Star Wars ep 1!

I am a bit worried about one thing. The YAPO made some really large changes. I was wondering if they might hurt the speakers in any way actually. It now has Front L at +8.5 db, Front R at +8.0 db, Center at +8.0 db, and the sub at -10.0 db (that's the limit it'll go down BTW). Is this OK?

Originally Posted by audit13 

It looks to me like you need to turn down the volume on your sub an re-run YPAO. The sub's output is being reduced quite a bit while the fronts are being boosted. I always think it is best to get everything as close to zero as possible.

Originally Posted by Bond 007 

I agree but you dont want everything close to 0. Only the sub. The rest will take care of itself. And set the crossover to 80. Make sure all the speakers are set to small. Also set the crossover on the sub all the way up.

Originally Posted by Omni009 

Thanks for the input. I was thinking along those lines already, but I wanted to get advice since I'm brand new at this still. I have the crossover on the receiver set to 80 already (I read this is the ideal setting for LFE in movies), crossover on the sub all the way up, and volume at half. I'll turn the volume down a notch and re-run.

Just finished playing parts of Star Wars Episode 1. Sounded awesome!

It does seem when watching blu rays that maybe the video is just a hair ahead of the sound, but it might just be me not used to the disconnect between dialogue coming out of something besides the TV now. When I turn on the TV speakers alongside these, I can hear a bit of the chorus-y effect that comes from them being just a hair different timing wise. I did read someone else had an issue like this that he solved with a total reset of the receiver.

Anyways, back to the topic of the thread, now that everything is just about set up correctly, I love the combo of these BS22's, Center, and the BIC 12. With the Yamaha at -20 db volume setting, it's more than enough to really kick ass in my small living room, and with room still to go even louder if I wanted too. (and I assume a more powerful receiver upgrade in the future could do even more with these speakers!) 505 bucks spent (tax included), and I can't imagine a HTIB sounding any better than this.

Originally Posted by audit13 

I believe it is best to apply as little equalization as possible and this is why I try to go get as close to zero as possible for all speakers, not just the sub. I use Anthem's ARC system for equalization and it's quite good.

Originally Posted by Bond 007 

Makes sense. But I dont think omni009 is using that.

Originally Posted by audit13 

I think omni009 is using a Yamaha which uses YPAO.

Originally Posted by Bond 007 

My point exactly.

Originally Posted by audit13 

Others may disagree with me but I think it's best to have all speakers level-matched as closely as possible before using equalization, rather than relying on equalization to compensate and this the point I was trying to make.

Originally Posted by Conspiracy* 

I get what you're saying, you didn't quote my post, but you did reply to it. Unless you're saying that you had an itch to post that 8-12" subs are weak sauce just to brag about your setup.

I've been in dbdrag car audio before...when I was 16 years old and had a bench on the back of my honda accord. There is no way I'd want that skull crushing amount of bass in my home.

I don't understand flat response or headroom and honestly...just want the sub to shake me more than the 8" HTIB Sony I have at the house now. The audio will be used for video games and movies, almost no music (other than a little dubstep while vacuuming) will be played.

Thank you for the recommendations of the Klipsch. Are there any recommended clips I should listen to find the sub 35Mz range we're discussing?

Originally Posted by nograveconcern 

The question of subs to go with these speakers comes up often in this thread. Typically it is in the form of "should I buy the pioneer 8 or this other brand 12." My main points were:

1. neither can truly keep up with the fs52's at high volume without clipping the amp or pushing the driver outside of it's linear range. If you are after flat response down to the neither regions of human hearing it takes a lot more power and cone area than most think.
2. one sub is not enough. Plan on 2 to 4 subs. Don't believe me? Measure your response in your room. Most who think they have tons of bass with their single sub really have tons of extra energy in a narrow frequency band and poor response outside that band.

Originally Posted by Louquid 

This is just false. A Bic F12 or Polk PSW505 will start to give out the same time the Pioneer's do. The Pioneers, while great, aren't meant to be driven at really high volumes. Once you really start to push the Pioneers the sound quality begins to degrade rather quickly. You may not think so, but it's the truth. The Bic F12 starts to get distorted about the same time the Pioneers start to get distorted.

You sound like you really like bass. Nothing wrong with that, many people here are bass heads. But you can't make these broad generalizations based on opinion and pass it off as fact.