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post #4381 of 5339
I just took the FS52's for a test run after disconnecting the BS22's. I'm not an audiophile, but here are my non technical thoughts. I LOVE it. They sound great, everything sounds a bit louder, and seems to sound clearer. And for some reason, I can hear the dialogue better now than before. Maybe I won't have to crank my center speaker as much anymore due to not hearing what people are saying. Also, I listened to a few music tracks, and with the speakers alone it almost sounded like the BS22's did with the subwoofer on. I can hear the extra bass in these...or at least I think I do. (I know that music lacks those LFE that movies do in many cases).

Very happy! I think after upgrading my Yamaha 373 to something with a bit more power per channel, and maybe upgrading the sub to that Klipsch RW-12D or maybe even that HSU SV12 you guys mentioned, I'm pretty much done for a long time.
post #4382 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

I just took the FS52's for a test run after disconnecting the BS22's. I'm not an audiophile, but here are my non technical thoughts. I LOVE it. They sound great, everything sounds a bit louder, and seems to sound clearer. And for some reason, I can hear the dialogue better now than before. Maybe I won't have to crank my center speaker as much anymore due to not hearing what people are saying. Also, I listened to a few music tracks, and with the speakers alone it almost sounded like the BS22's did with the subwoofer on. I can hear the extra bass in these...or at least I think I do. (I know that music lacks those LFE that movies do in many cases).

Very happy! I think after upgrading my Yamaha 373 to something with a bit more power per channel, and maybe upgrading the sub to that Klipsch RW-12D or maybe even that HSU SV12 you guys mentioned, I'm pretty much done for a long time.
I highly recommend looking at the SVS SB1000 or PB1000 subwoofers if you can swing it, then you will truly be done until the upgrade bug bites again. smile.gif
post #4383 of 5339
Quick setup question if I could...I changed the settings in my Yamaha 373 for the fronts to "Large" from "Small" (as I am moving from the BS22's to the FS52's), and left everything else the same (center is still "Small"). Sub is on, and I left the crossover at 80Hz. I did some searching and found some differing opinions on whether large or small should be used and what the crossover should be. I think it sounds better set to "Large", but I might be mistaking louder for better...
post #4384 of 5339
Usually, it is recommended to set all speakers to small and xover to 80.
post #4385 of 5339
Definitely small for them FS52 as they can't fully reproduce those lower frequencies also you may want to try 100Hz for your crossover.
post #4386 of 5339
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

Definitely small for them FS52 as they can't fully reproduce those lower frequencies also you may want to try 100Hz for your crossover.
If he has a decent sub. Once he upgrades for sure.
post #4387 of 5339
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

I highly recommend looking at the SVS SB1000 or PB1000 subwoofers if you can swing it, then you will truly be done until the upgrade bug bites again. smile.gif
Or 2 RW12d for almost the same price. I would especially recommend this if it is a larger room.
post #4388 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Or 2 RW12d for almost the same price. I would especially recommend this if it is a larger room.

I wouldn't go for the SVS SV or PB. I would go for a Rythmik B-Stock for $589.00. Or dual Klipsch RW-12D. Or even better do a DIY 15" or 18" sub.

I'm selling both my RW-12D for $450 local pick up only. I want to do a DIY sub.
post #4389 of 5339
I thinks it's commendable that Mr. Jones has put real musicality and value into his soundbar, but if he's reading this, how about a 5.1 version with two discrete rear speakers, as in the Vizio or the Philips?

And it would be interesting to see what Mr. Jones could do with his bookshelves and towers if he given just a bit more budget.

Idle thoughts from a fan of Mr. Jones...
Edited by taichi4 - 8/9/13 at 1:18pm
post #4390 of 5339
Thanks for the advice guys. Appreciate it. Tomorrow I move to a new home with a larger (but oddly shaped) living room, so it's setup time all over again. Hopefully I'll be able to manage some kind of 5.1 setup in this room now that I have all the speakers, but I'll start a new thread for that issue...

Again, these speakers rock!
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post #4392 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Omni009 View Post

Quick setup question if I could...I changed the settings in my Yamaha 373 for the fronts to "Large" from "Small" (as I am moving from the BS22's to the FS52's), and left everything else the same (center is still "Small"). Sub is on, and I left the crossover at 80Hz. I did some searching and found some differing opinions on whether large or small should be used and what the crossover should be. I think it sounds better set to "Large", but I might be mistaking louder for better...
Yes, set them to large if you don't have a sub, to small if you have an adequate sub or subs. Without looking, I believe iirc the FS52's go down to 40 Hz. Btw, anybody notice the video of AJ on the pioneer website? http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-FS52
post #4393 of 5339
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

Pioneer SP-BS41-LR 2 CH Bookshelf Loudspeakers Pair $99.99 with free shipping.

Those and the FS51-LR's magically appeared in stock again, and so I ordered a pair of the towers...and the manufacture date on the sticker says June 2013?? I was under the impression that they went out of production last year when the 52's were introduced. Either way, it looks like they're still cranking out the originals smile.gif
post #4394 of 5339
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Originally Posted by PurePhunk View Post

Those and the FS51-LR's magically appeared in stock again, and so I ordered a pair of the towers...and the manufacture date on the sticker says June 2013?? I was under the impression that they went out of production last year when the 52's were introduced. Either way, it looks like they're still cranking out the originals smile.gif
WTF??? This doesn't make sense. Not available for purchase from pioneer website... Hmmmmm...
post #4395 of 5339
The 51's and the 41's are not being manufactured anymore regardless of what date you see on the sticker. Newegg just happened to acquire some old stock on both speakers!
post #4396 of 5339
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Originally Posted by jerrymb View Post

The 51's and the 41's are not being manufactured anymore regardless of what date you see on the sticker. Newegg just happened to acquire some old stock on both speakers!

So you're saying Pioneer fakes the production dates?
post #4397 of 5339
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Originally Posted by PurePhunk View Post

Those and the FS51-LR's magically appeared in stock again, and so I ordered a pair of the towers...and the manufacture date on the sticker says June 2013?? I was under the impression that they went out of production last year when the 52's were introduced. Either way, it looks like they're still cranking out the originals smile.gif

Newegg regularly carries some home audio items that are discontinued almost everywhere else, such as the Polk Monitors (which they had for a long time) and the Klipsch RW-12d sub. Maybe they made a deal with Pioneer to buy a huge drop shipment of them direct from the factory.
post #4398 of 5339
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

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Originally Posted by bhazard View Post

The Pioneers are a great sounding speaker to start your upgrade-itus.

Eventually, after spending hundreds to thousands to dollars on speakers from JBL, Klipsch, HSU, Polk, etc etc.. you'll find that nothing beats the value and performance of DIY speaker and sub kits.

I built one of the kits www.diysoundgroup.com, and can say for certain that they blow away any of the speakers from these brands I've tried by a large margin. For around $300-400 a speaker, they sound better than the $3,000+ models from those companies. The Pioneers are value/performance monsters, so its a natural progression to them.

If you can glue MDF together, save the time and money and jump directly to those. Most of everything is pre-made there, and there are a ton of us in the DIY section with finished builds that are blown away.

I don't think this applies to every speaker company out there. If it did, they would be out of business by now.

Not every company. The only other two that come close and exceed in value/performance are JTR and Seaton Sound. Several GTGs here confirm it, over and over.

When you get past a certain price point, you are no longer paying for the sound, and are instead paying for the looks, self assurance, and brand. There is a large amount of diminishing returns in "premium hi-fi audio". Beats headphones anyone? Very popular, best selling, and sound like crap compared to other headphones in the price range.

Not everyone can wire a crossover, cut/glue wood/MDF, paint, measure, etc. Many people don't have the time or tools to do this either, so it is much more appealing to buy an already made speaker. They won't be out of business anytime soon.

Coming from someone who has spent thousands in speakers, I recommend the Pioneers to 90% of everyone who asks looking for good speakers at a good price. They are excellent performers for HTIB prices. Unless you come across a blowout deal on other brands (JBL 190.. $129), you have to spend significantly more over them to achieve the same performance.

The other 10% who want more I recommend DIY, JTR, or Seaton. Sure there are other good speakers and companies, but not at the same level of value/performance.
post #4399 of 5339
Has anyone compared these to the Klipsch VF-36 towers and the Klipsch VC-25 center channel.These were sold by Best Buy (they have since been discontinued with a replaced with a newer model)

I was wondering if anyone could give me any thoughts or possible comparisons....The Klipsch speakers arent bad but seem to lack mid-range.
post #4400 of 5339
I just got a pair of the 41's from Newegg for $99. They sound incredibly dull to my ears. I checked all my connections. I've had bright speakers before these but it's a dramatic difference I'm hearing.
post #4401 of 5339
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Originally Posted by sbr100 View Post

Has anyone compared these to the Klipsch VF-36 towers and the Klipsch VC-25 center channel.These were sold by Best Buy (they have since been discontinued with a replaced with a newer model)

I was wondering if anyone could give me any thoughts or possible comparisons....The Klipsch speakers arent bad but seem to lack mid-range.
I cant compare them but I have the VF-36s. If you eq them properly they sound great.
post #4402 of 5339
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Originally Posted by jerrymb View Post

I just got a pair of the 41's from Newegg for $99. They sound incredibly dull to my ears. I checked all my connections. I've had bright speakers before these but it's a dramatic difference I'm hearing.

I don't think you're hearing any lack of upper treble output. The Pioneers are actually elevated in that region. Are you sure you're not noticing a lack of upper midrange presence that may make for a somewhat recessed sound on complex music?
post #4403 of 5339
hi i just wanted to know if anyone has mounted these to the walls or ceilings and what they used to do so. Thanks
post #4404 of 5339
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Originally Posted by rgieg View Post

hi i just wanted to know if anyone has mounted these to the walls or ceilings and what they used to do so. Thanks
Macrame aka plant hangers tongue.gif
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Edited by hyghwayman - 8/19/13 at 6:23pm
post #4405 of 5339
For those who own the FS-52's, do you find them hard to drive at all? I own the Denon 1613 and I've read in some forums people saying, "Oh I would never get them, only 87 db sensitivty. Get something else." But then I read elsewhere that people hands down love em.

What are your thoughts about giving these things volume? Do they drive well?
post #4406 of 5339
For those who own the FS-52's, do you find them hard to drive at all? I own the Denon 1613 and I've read in some forums people saying, "Oh I would never get them, only 87 db sensitivty. Get something else." But then I read elsewhere that people hands down love em.

What are your thoughts about giving these things volume? Do they drive well?
post #4407 of 5339
I have an Onkyo 100wpc receiver. When I use the 52's I may have to turn my volume up slightly higher than I would for other more efficient speakers. By slightly I mean a hair more.
post #4408 of 5339
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Originally Posted by butie120 View Post

For those who own the FS-52's, do you find them hard to drive at all? I own the Denon 1613 and I've read in some forums people saying, "Oh I would never get them, only 87 db sensitivty. Get something else." But then I read elsewhere that people hands down love em.

What are your thoughts about giving these things volume? Do they drive well?
Those people dont understand audio. Stay away from them. Any decent AVR will have no problem driving these.
post #4409 of 5339
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Those people dont understand audio. Stay away from them. Any decent AVR will have no problem driving these.
+1. The audio adjustment program automatically sets up proper volumes, etc... E.g. MCACC.
post #4410 of 5339
That's one thing and the only reason why I didn't buy the FS52s. I had to turn the volume up at least 25% more than my Polk Audio speakers.

However, they are a bargain at $77 dollars when they go on sale.
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