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I'll probably end up fine with the one I'm looking at then. Probably worrying for nothing. I downloaded the assembly instructions. Does a 60" TV typically use the same distance mounting holes on the back as a 50"? Or do they get more space between them / bigger when the TV gets bigger?

If there's some play in the two mounting bars, it looks like I could slide them up on the back of the TV to mount the bottom holes at the very bottom of the mounting bars and thus gain a bit of height doing that as well. I'm really wanting to stick with an open concept for heat / ease of access.

GusGus748s, thanks for the pic. I'm looking at it without a TV on it, and yours may be a bit taller on that mount bar than the one I'm looking at....not sure.
post #4832 of 5316
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Originally Posted by sumrtym View Post

I'll probably end up fine with the one I'm looking at then. Probably worrying for nothing. I downloaded the assembly instructions. Does a 60" TV typically use the same distance mounting holes on the back as a 50"? Or do they get more space between them / bigger when the TV gets bigger?

If there's some play in the two mounting bars, it looks like I could slide them up on the back of the TV to mount the bottom holes at the very bottom of the mounting bars and thus gain a bit of height doing that as well. I'm really wanting to stick with an open concept for heat / ease of access.

GusGus748s, thanks for the pic. I'm looking at it without a TV on it, and yours may be a bit taller on that mount bar than the one I'm looking at....not sure.

You can download the manual online. It should have all the dimensions.
post #4833 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mark_Likes_Games View Post

the FS-52s. I'm wondering how these will compare to my Event 20/20 8" passive studio monitors. The Events seem like great speakers to me, but they are 4 ohm and need stands (not a big deal). To me they are great, but I'm wondering if the two 6" drivers on these FS-52s will be better than the single 8" on the Event 20/20s.

I listen to Leo Laporte and he has had Scott Wilkonson (from this forum) on which is where I heard such great things about these Andrew Jones designed speakers. I'm all about quality for a low price - I never get top tier stuff. I look for "great" gear for a modest price, which is what these are supposed to be!
.

The Event 20/20 passive for me, has more detail and definition compared to the Pioneer. They will
sound good on stands - however, the Event is a mid-field monitor, the sound-stage will be limited

Also, that is 5" woofers on the Pioneer speakers
Edited by zieglj01 - 11/8/13 at 9:36am
post #4834 of 5316
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Originally Posted by sumrtym View Post


The top shelf is at 29" which just quick guessing should place the center channel tweeter fairly closely lined up with the FS52 front channels. smile.gif

They're actually at 32" - which is better, giving you a couple inches for the center speaker.
post #4835 of 5316
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Originally Posted by charmerci View Post

They're actually at 32" - which is better, giving you a couple inches for the center speaker.
Ya, I went by and looked at it again today trying to guesstimate from peering at the back if it's going to be high enough with the 50" set. I THINK I'm going to be ok, but not super sure. This stand was a BF special last year and they've got something like 17 of them, so I'm thinking they might do it again this year (holding off to see). Took an additional $30 off last year to make it $169.

Kind of sad to have to give up my old solid alder wood entertainment center that I stained myself with 3 different coats. It really is nice, but it's built for 4:3 TV's. My 50" is in the clouds sitting on top of it at the moment. Can't believe I'm trading quality furniture for veneered with glass shelving. Heck, I only paid something like $150 for this full size solid wood piece and hardware unfinished when I got it (3 adjustable shelves, 2 top compartments, and 2 compartments on bottom with 3 nice paneled doors plus nice top trim piece). I think that was in 1996 or so. Sadly, I don't think anyone would pay a thing for it either (could only accommodate about a 39" widescreen in the TV area). Just depressing since it really is nice looking and in beautiful shape.
Edited by sumrtym - 11/8/13 at 7:30pm
post #4836 of 5316
Simply go in and ask them if it's going on sale. If they say, yes, ask them if you can buy one now at the sale price otherwise you'll come back later.
post #4837 of 5316
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Originally Posted by charmerci View Post

Simply go in and ask them if it's going on sale. If they say, yes, ask them if you can buy one now at the sale price otherwise you'll come back later.

Does that actually work??? O.o

post #4838 of 5316
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Originally Posted by charmerci View Post

Simply go in and ask them if it's going on sale. If they say, yes, ask them if you can buy one now at the sale price otherwise you'll come back later.
Oh, it won't be too much longer before the BF ad leaks anyway. It's not a must have at the moment. I'm still waiting to see if another certain store will do a % or $ off coupon for BF before I order the receiver. I've had the Pioneer speakers sitting in their boxes since I got them about a month ago. Watched Cloud Atlas tonight and I think it took an hour extra with my current speakers going down every so often. HIGHLY annoying. mad.gif
post #4839 of 5316
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Originally Posted by wdeydwondrer View Post

Does that actually work??? O.o

Sometimes. the more expensive, the more likely.

I remember years ago pricing a TT between two stereo shops by phone. Each time, I called they either lowered the price or threw in a cartridge. (Didn't buy.)
post #4840 of 5316
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

The Event 20/20 passive for me, has more detail and definition compared to the Pioneer. They will
sound good on stands - however, the Event is a mid-field monitor, the sound-stage will be limited

Also, that is 5" woofers on the Pioneer speakers

So you think the Events may be better? It seems like the three smaller 5" cones could collectively be comperable to one 8" cone...

I tried to have a listen to the Pioneer FS-52s this weekend at BB. Unfortunately the "store policy" would not allow me to audition them with my own CDs, so I didn't really even bother to turn them up much... frown.gif I really did want to compare them to some critical listening I've been doing on my Events. Maybe my Events ARE really good speakers - seems like they're pretty good... I'm just very curious how modern floor standing towers will compare - especially these well reviewed models.

I was kind of surprised at how small the woofers looked...but I know designers these days are getting pretty "big" sound from small cabinets. I suppose I could buy a set, take them home, and carefully A-B them with my speakers as I'm doing now. That would be fun and revealing, but it's kind of a hassle and I don't like taking advantage of return policies.

I may try to listen again at a different Best Buy - it may have to be a covert stealth operation though! Sheesh!
post #4841 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mark_Likes_Games View Post

So you think the Events may be better?

At mid-field listening - Yes
post #4842 of 5316
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

At mid-field listening - Yes
I think everyone can kind of understand what near-field is.. But do you want to define mid-field.
post #4843 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mark_Likes_Games View Post

So you think the Events may be better? It seems like the three smaller 5" cones could collectively be comperable to one 8" cone...

I tried to have a listen to the Pioneer FS-52s this weekend at BB. Unfortunately the "store policy" would not allow me to audition them with my own CDs, so I didn't really even bother to turn them up much... frown.gif I really did want to compare them to some critical listening I've been doing on my Events. Maybe my Events ARE really good speakers - seems like they're pretty good... I'm just very curious how modern floor standing towers will compare - especially these well reviewed models.

I was kind of surprised at how small the woofers looked...but I know designers these days are getting pretty "big" sound from small cabinets. I suppose I could buy a set, take them home, and carefully A-B them with my speakers as I'm doing now. That would be fun and revealing, but it's kind of a hassle and I don't like taking advantage of return policies.

I may try to listen again at a different Best Buy - it may have to be a covert stealth operation though! Sheesh!

The woofers and scale are not really the problem with the Pioneers. That part is surprising where they get in trouble is the high frequencies areas and where there musical passages have a lot of complexity in the HFs. Also some female voices can sound a bit shrill.
post #4844 of 5316
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

I think everyone can kind of understand what near-field is.. But do you want to define mid-field.

In general terms - you can place the speakers further apart, and sit further back.
Also better to sit the same distance back, equal to the speakers spread//distance.
Also, I would try to keep them off the walls and side walls.
Edited by zieglj01 - 11/11/13 at 2:12pm
post #4845 of 5316
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Originally Posted by zieglj01 View Post

In general terms - you can place the speakers further apart, and sit further back.
Also better to sit the same distance back, equal to the speakers spread//distance.
Also, I would try to keep them off the walls and side walls.

But isn't that the general rule for any given speaker pair? Mine are about arranged in an equal triangle with as wide a separation as I could achieve. I've always liked it when there is good stereo separation.

I admit, I don't really know what is meant by a lot of the language used when describing speaker performance: "presence", "soundstage", etc. I do know what near field refers to, but to me it's unclear where near turns into "mid". Are the Pioneers we're discussing here weak if trying to use them at 10 feet or more from the listener?

(Again - I tried to listen to them in the store, but even there they were in an isle and I could have only backed about 5-6 feet away from them...)
post #4846 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mark_Likes_Games View Post

But isn't that the general rule for any given speaker pair? Mine are about arranged in an equal triangle with as wide a separation as I could achieve. I've always liked it when there is good stereo separation.

I admit, I don't really know what is meant by a lot of the language used when describing speaker performance: "presence", "soundstage", etc. I do know what near field refers to, but to me it's unclear where near turns into "mid". Are the Pioneers we're discussing here weak if trying to use them at 10 feet or more from the listener?

In general, that is the rule for most speakers - however, the Event 20/20 passive is more directive - where the soundstage
mainly rests between the 2 speakers - Event also recommends that you toe in their speakers some.

I have used them for home theater before

Nearfield speakers can/tend to lose their stage as you sit further back.

The Pioneer soundstage can widen outside of the speakers - and yes, you can listen more than 10 feet back. I have also
owned their tower speakers, and still own the bookshelf at this time.

Overall, I still prefer the Event passive, if sitting within the triangle and within the stage
post #4847 of 5316

A lovely pair of FS52s landed at my doorstep today and I've been fiddling with them for the past couple of hours. While I'm not quite ready for a full review, I will say I'm quite impressed.

 

I actually purchased the 52s for a bedroom setup to replace my Audioengine A5+'s. Funny enough, the pair of Pioneers cost me about half of what the A5s did, wallet win!

 

As for my setup, I'm using an older Onkyo TX-SR502 receiver (75wpc) and my trusty Audio-GD NFB10 DAC/Preamp. While the Onkyo is a bit shy on power, I certainly didn't find it an issue in powering the 52s to a comfortable listening level (75db is what I listen at but tested it all the way up to 85db) without any sort of distortion or degradation in sound quality.

 

As far as sonic characteristics go, I'll reserve judgement until the speakers are well worn in but thus far, listening to my reference track (Michael Buble + Nelly Furtado - Quando, Quando, Quando) has been quite a pleasure with smooth mids and a very pleasant treble response. I'm not hearing the shrill highs that some have mentioned and I'm quite glad as I prefer a slightly darker (and warmer) sound. On the flip-side, I decided almost immediately that a good sub is in order as the low end lacks any considerable slam, though it's well controlled and quite musical.

 

Soundstage and imaging are also top notch considering the price. With a little less than 10 degrees of toe-in, there is a well defined center image and while not expansive per se, the soundstage does provide a good sense of height and depth in particular while the width is adequate if not unspectacular.

 

All in all, there's really no way you can go wrong with these Pioneers for under $200. Surely there's nothing else under $500 that can better the 52s without compromise. I'd even go as far as to say that while they're not the industry toppling giant-killers we'd all like, they do give the entry level offerings from Focal, PSB and Paradigm (three of my favorites) a reason to sweat. If you're in the market for towers under $700, do yourself a favor and give the 52s a listen. They may not be the hands down winner but they'll show you that excellent performance is definitely possible at this price point.

 

On a side note, I, like everyone else would love to see what Mr. Jones could create with a $600/pair speaker; I fear that idea alone is enough to leave some speaker manufacturers quivering in their boots.

 

 

 

Finally, please do bear in mind, these are initial impressions and should be taken with a grain of salt. I have no doubt the speakers will improve with time and when they reach such a stage, I'll dig in and write a proper review (perhaps I'll even check my grammar :rolleyes:)

 

 

 

 


Edited by ClydeOberholt - 11/11/13 at 9:16pm
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Originally Posted by ClydeOberholt View Post


All in all, there's really no way you can go wrong with these Pioneers for under $200. Surely there's nothing else under $500 that can better the 52s without compromise. I'd even go as far as to say that while they're not the industry toppling giant-killers we'd all like, they do give the entry level offerings from Focal, PSB and Paradigm (three of my favorites) a reason to sweat. If you're in the market for towers under $700, do yourself a favor and give the 52s a listen. They may not be the hands down winner but they'll show you that excellent performance is definitely possible at this price point.
Well said ClydeOberholt. Very well put. smile.gif
post #4849 of 5316
Has anyone used Sewell Deadbolt banana plugs with these? How well did they fit? I'm thinking of ordering some to use when I get my AVR-X2000 next week and get everything set up. I'm running 14 gauge wire if that makes any difference with those banana plugs (never used them...or any for that matter...before).
Edited by sumrtym - 11/14/13 at 10:49pm
post #4850 of 5316
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Originally Posted by sumrtym View Post

Has anyone used Sewell Deadbolt banana plugs with these? How well did they fit? I'm thinking of ordering some to use when I get my AVR-X2000 next week and get everything set up. I'm running 14 gauge wire if that makes any difference with those banana plugs (never used them...or any for that matter...before).

I have the same question actually...
post #4851 of 5316
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Originally Posted by nyrmetros View Post

I have the same question actually...

I can't say how they work with these, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't. The deadbolts are without a doubt my favorite banana plugs to use.
post #4852 of 5316
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Originally Posted by sumrtym View Post

Has anyone used Sewell Deadbolt banana plugs with these? How well did they fit? I'm thinking of ordering some to use when I get my AVR-X2000 next week and get everything set up. I'm running 14 gauge wire if that makes any difference with those banana plugs (never used them...or any for that matter...before).

 



I'm using them w/ the bookshelf and center and they work fine. Quick and simple to hook up too. Just take the dust cap thing out from the post before attempting to plug in wink.gif
post #4853 of 5316
Won't let me edit for some reason, but I wanted to add, buy them off Ebay from the SewellDirect seller (It's actually Sewell selling at a discount price, not some knock off). I get them in the 6 pairs package for $14.95 shipped.
post #4854 of 5316
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Originally Posted by wdeydwondrer View Post

I'm using them w/ the bookshelf and center and they work fine. Quick and simple to hook up too. Just take the dust cap thing out from the post before attempting to plug in wink.gif
Good to know, thanks!
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Originally Posted by wdeydwondrer View Post

Won't let me edit for some reason, but I wanted to add, buy them off Ebay from the SewellDirect seller (It's actually Sewell selling at a discount price, not some knock off). I get them in the 6 pairs package for $14.95 shipped.
I actually ordered 12 pairs tonight for a total of $20 plus I'm getting 2% Fatwallet cashback (another 40 cents off). I ordered from from SmartHome as they are on sale for $22.50. Soon as the site loaded, they had a popup of an additional 10% off your order for providing them an e-mail address for their subscription list. If you order over $50, shipping is free, and I needed a few other things as well (as an aside, they have good prices on AA/AAA La Cross battery chargers right now, about lowest I've seen). It's ~$26.25 for one with the 10% off applied.

Other than that, Newegg was about the cheapest I saw if not ordering $50 worth to get the free shipping at SmartHome with a price of $25 per 12 pairs shipped which is what I need for a 5.1 setup, also direct from Sewell through Newegg. Strange it was cheaper through Newegg than Sewell's own site. They're both still shipping by Sewell directly, but Newegg has them with free shipping and Sewell's website charges.
Edited by sumrtym - 11/15/13 at 10:49pm
post #4855 of 5316
Ebay was the cheapest I could find that wasn't a sale price and I only needed 6 at the time.... then turned around and ordered 6 more since I liked them so much. It is annoying how much cheaper they are in a 12 pack....
post #4856 of 5316
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Originally Posted by ClydeOberholt View Post

A lovely pair of FS52s landed at my doorstep today and I've been fiddling with them for the past couple of hours. While I'm not quite ready for a full review, I will say I'm quite impressed.

I actually purchased the 52s for a bedroom setup to replace my Audioengine A5+'s. Funny enough, the pair of Pioneers cost me about half of what the A5s did, wallet win!

As for my setup, I'm using an older Onkyo TX-SR502 receiver (75wpc) and my trusty Audio-GD NFB10 DAC/Preamp. While the Onkyo is a bit shy on power, I certainly didn't find it an issue in powering the 52s to a comfortable listening level (75db is what I listen at but tested it all the way up to 85db) without any sort of distortion or degradation in sound quality.

As far as sonic characteristics go, I'll reserve judgement until the speakers are well worn in but thus far, listening to my reference track (Michael Buble + Nelly Furtado - Quando, Quando, Quando) has been quite a pleasure with smooth mids and a very pleasant treble response. I'm not hearing the shrill highs that some have mentioned and I'm quite glad as I prefer a slightly darker (and warmer) sound. On the flip-side, I decided almost immediately that a good sub is in order as the low end lacks any considerable slam, though it's well controlled and quite musical.

Soundstage and imaging are also top notch considering the price. With a little less than 10 degrees of toe-in, there is a well defined center image and while not expansive per se, the soundstage does provide a good sense of height and depth in particular while the width is adequate if not unspectacular.

All in all, there's really no way you can go wrong with these Pioneers for under $200. Surely there's nothing else under $500 that can better the 52s without compromise. I'd even go as far as to say that while they're not the industry toppling giant-killers we'd all like, they do give the entry level offerings from Focal, PSB and Paradigm (three of my favorites) a reason to sweat. If you're in the market for towers under $700, do yourself a favor and give the 52s a listen. They may not be the hands down winner but they'll show you that excellent performance is definitely possible at this price point.

On a side note, I, like everyone else would love to see what Mr. Jones could create with a $600/pair speaker; I fear that idea alone is enough to leave some speaker manufacturers quivering in their boots.



Finally, please do bear in mind, these are initial impressions and should be taken with a grain of salt. I have no doubt the speakers will improve with time and when they reach such a stage, I'll dig in and write a proper review (perhaps I'll even check my grammar rolleyes.gif )






Always warms my heart to hear newcomers to this fantastic Pioneer loudspeaker. I appreciate your initial impressions. Had mine for a little over a year now, and they've just found a comfortable home in the room and my family's listening. We're using them in a full-on 5.1 system (including the center and bookshelves as rears), and an old-as-dirt Yamaha AVR (pre-HDMI, Pre-3D). Your experience with a 2 channel system is the only thing I haven't heard my towers do yet, because my AVR lacks a Pure mode. (It's always going to send all the sound below the crossover point to my sub, which is overkill for much music). I've got my eye on the Marantz SR5008 as the next upgrade to my system (I can get it for close to $500 when all's said and done).

Welcome to the tribe! smile.gif
post #4857 of 5316
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Originally Posted by wdeydwondrer View Post

Won't let me edit for some reason, but I wanted to add, buy them off Ebay from the SewellDirect seller (It's actually Sewell selling at a discount price, not some knock off). I get them in the 6 pairs package for $14.95 shipped.

How do they compare with the monoprice banana plugs?
post #4858 of 5316
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Originally Posted by nyrmetros View Post

How do they compare with the monoprice banana plugs?
Either one will do. Sewell are a little better quality but you wont hear any difference. If you plan on plugging and unplugging them a lot then the Sewell will probably be a better buy.
post #4859 of 5316
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Originally Posted by nyrmetros View Post



How do they compare with the monoprice banana plugs?

 



Never used them, don't know
post #4860 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

Either one will do. Sewell are a little better quality but you wont hear any difference. If you plan on plugging and unplugging them a lot then the Sewell will probably be a better buy.

Thanks for the reply on Sewell.
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