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post #4981 of 5316
lol, I had to build some boxes for my 52's pretty much like yours
post #4982 of 5316
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Originally Posted by AJCxZ0 View Post

The bedroom theater has been rearranged. Until a plan is made to move the SP-BS21-LRs into position for surround duty, they remain on the SP-FS51-LRs while configured for 5.1. No problem fitting the SP-C21 flush with the other speakers on the adjustable and acoustically transparent shelving*.

In the corners are a pair of SVS SB-1000s, crossed over at 100Hz.


Other equipment visible includes Pioneer VSX-521-K 5.1 receiver, Oppo BDP-80 BD/DVD-V/DVD-A/VCD/SACD/HDCD/CD/etc. player, Panasonic DVD-F84S five disc DVD-V/DVD-A/HDCD/CD changer, LG 47LH40 LCD TV, Apple TV and a TP-LINK TL-WR1043ND 300Mbps 802.11 N gigabit router/switch connected via a Rosewill RPLC-200 ethernet over power line adapter.
All devices controlled by my URC MX-500.

AJC the new rack looks cool.gif and provides good air circulation for your Pio receiver. What are you waiting for eek.gif get them surrounds up now tongue.gif

Also wanted to ask ya, how far back is you primary sitting position and how wide or far apart are your towers?
I'm using the triangle method 9x9x9 with a little tow-in wink.gif
Edited by hyghwayman - 12/26/13 at 6:29am
post #4983 of 5316
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

AJC the new rack looks cool.gif and provides good air circulation for your Pio receiver.

Indeed. For air flow, lack of dust accumulation, easy cabling, visibility of equipment (i.e. being able to see the equipment), strength, cost and just about every other important reason, I prefer the wire shelving.
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What are you waiting for eek.gif get them surrounds up now

They are up! They're just not up in a surround-like position yet. Hanging them might be the best option in the space, as there is no place to put them for the tricky listening position: a king bed in front and extending off to one side of the front sound stage. I already have the 14 AWG in-wall speaker cable.
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how far back is you primary sitting position

Highly variable. At the foot of the bed puts me almost in arm's reach of the equipment, but lying on one side of the bed puts my head near the back wall, centered on the front soundstage and is the position used for the MCACC tuning. The other side of the bed is a bit to the left of the left speaker.
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how wide or far apart are your towers?

Not far enough to give the wide soundstage I'd like. My home theater has nice widely spaced and toed-in fronts, but the space in the bedroom doesn't allow it. What you don't see in my carefully framed photos are the windows, sills and cat perch around the equipment... or the bed in front of it.
post #4984 of 5316
What are some of folks' favorite cheap or modestly-priced home theater receivers to pair with the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers?

Is there any consensus on how much power is needed to drive them adequately?

Thoughts appreciated!
post #4985 of 5316
The power needed would depend on how loud you wanted them and how far you want them that loud. Probably ANY avr that's a decent quality will give you enough juice to make them ok.

There's really to many choices out there, people will just begin listing their favorites. I think there's an avr thread and you could look through in there for your price range and what feature set you wanted on the avr.
post #4986 of 5316
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Originally Posted by niccolo View Post

What are some of folks' favorite cheap or modestly-priced home theater receivers to pair with the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers?

Is there any consensus on how much power is needed to drive them adequately?

Thoughts appreciated!
Any decent AVR will power them just fine.
post #4987 of 5316
Opinions on a pair of SP-FS52-LR vs a pair of Polk Monitor 70 II's???
post #4988 of 5316
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Originally Posted by jb2c View Post

Opinions on a pair of SP-FS52-LR vs a pair of Polk Monitor 70 II's???
I prefer the Pioneers, but it really depends on YOUR ears. Go listen to a pair of Pioneers at Best Buy and while there, the Polk TSi500. They're very close to the 70's, and should give you a good idea of the Monitor's sound.
post #4989 of 5316
Went to my local BB today to listen to the AJ pioneers... Broken receiver in the HT area. Unwilling to swap it out for one of the 20 sitting on the shelf next to it. Gave me an ETA of "next few weeks" to get it fixed. And that's why I never actually buy anything from BB.

Went to another store, they sounded pretty good for 100 bucks.
post #4990 of 5316
Wow. Thats pathetic.
post #4991 of 5316
I feel ya josh, I can't stand Best Buy. They'll pull **** even when the error is their fault. I'll go to BB though now to look at product, then buy it online or from a competitor store. I miss CC, lol
post #4992 of 5316
My local BB is pretty good. There are a few employees who I know and they go above and beyond. They price match to me even if the items are out of stock from other stores.
post #4993 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Ohiojosh78 View Post

Went to my local BB today to listen to the AJ pioneers... Broken receiver in the HT area. Unwilling to swap it out for one of the 20 sitting on the shelf next to it. Gave me an ETA of "next few weeks" to get it fixed. And that's why I never actually buy anything from BB.

Went to another store, they sounded pretty good for 100 bucks.
The Best Buy closest to me (literally blocks away) I refuse to shop at. I have a litany of items against them. In keeping like yours, they had them hooked up to separate receivers, and to top it off then couldn't even tune them to the same channel so I could compare the same music at all, much less being hooked up so I could use my own source material. This is the same store that the employees grab every GOOD sale item for themselves, including the time I showed up first at the store for a "guaranteed 10 per store on time offer item" only to find out the employees sold them to themselves the night before!!!!

The next store is about 8 miles away, and I'd still rather go there. When they advertised the Harmony remote that was normally $150 for $39.99, the store nearest me of course had none *cough cough*. The one 8 miles away? Pulled them all to the electronics desk, asked me if that was what I was looking for when they saw me looking at the empty rack, guided me over, and enforced a one per customer policy on it.

The one nearest me can go out of business for all I care. If I feel the need to shop at Best Buy, the further one gets my business...always.
post #4994 of 5316

Hi guys, I live in Canada so the prices for my speakers will be higher than yours, but I only have one choice as far as dealers. Anyhow, I hope you can be of some help regarding my questions.
I'm looking into one of two configurations:

PURCHASE IDEA 1:
2x Pioneer SP-FS52
2x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR
1x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR
Buying woofer later in the future
$618.92 + $140 shipping = $758.92

PURCHASE IDEA 2:
4x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR
1x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR
Buying woofer later in the future
$407.89 + $96.91 shipping =  $504.08

QUESTION 1:
Of those 2 sets, Idea 1 obviously costs more money, but will it sound much better? Maybe these floor speakers make it so that sub isn't even needed? If I purchase Idea 2, I could  use the price difference to buy a good sub. I just would not want to be left regretting not purchasing the towers (better sound quality)?

QUESTION 2:
Would the Yamaha RX-V375 receiver be enough to power this system? It is $250 and has the room acoustics microphone too.

QUESTION 3:
Using Canadian sellers such as Futureshop, Bestbuy, Visions, BossSound (dot ca), which subs would you recommend at the $100-$200-$300 price ranges? 

Thanks for your time! Its 5am now and I feel a case of analysis paralysis going on now. See you all when I wake up at 2pm D;


Edited by Mithoz - 1/5/14 at 4:46am
post #4995 of 5316
You don't HAVE to get a sub for either setup, but if you're doing movies or just enjoy the full range of bass, you NEED to add a sub to the setup. You just aren't going to get any seriously meaningful return on anything below 80hz or so (in my room it's closer to 100hz) with the floor speakers or bookshelves. The bass drivers simply aren't large enough to replace the output a sub gives.

Question 2, that amp will be enough to run these in a smallish sized room. I have a bit more power than you do and I can make my 52/22 go louder than I care to listen, but my room is about 12x12. Larger rooms will require more power to fill at the same level. Also, with less power, the floor standers are a bit more efficient than the bookshelves.

Can't comment Q3, don't live in Canada

I'm also going to assume you had a typo there and are intending to use the sp-c22 for the center instead of another bookshelf?

Final bit of advice, unless you absolutely want/need these speakers right now, I would wait and watch sale prices over the next couple months. I bought my full set that way and picked up the 52/b22/c22 all for about 50% each speaker. I have about $300 in for the full set and that fact alone helps them sound better wink.gif
post #4996 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mithoz View Post

Hi guys, I live in Canada so the prices for my speakers will be higher than yours, but I only have one choice as far as dealers. Anyhow, I hope you can be of some help regarding my questions.
Well, the Canada point I won't be much help with. I'd recommend adding the C22 center rather than using a BS22 for that duty with either configuration. IF you're going to forego a sub for quite awhile, the FS52 is a good choice (or if you would have to buy speaker stands for the BS22's if used as fronts). Otherwise, you could save a few bucks and just use BS22's for the front L/R and surrounds with a sub (again, provided you don't need front stands).
post #4997 of 5316
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mithoz View Post

Hi guys, I live in Canada so the prices for my speakers will be higher than yours, but I only have one choice as far as dealers. Anyhow, I hope you can be of some help regarding my questions.

I'm looking into one of two configurations:

PURCHASE IDEA 1:

2x Pioneer SP-FS52

2x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR

1x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR

Buying woofer later in the future

$618.92 + $140 shipping = $758.92

PURCHASE IDEA 2:

4x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR

1x Pioneer SP-BS22-LR

Buying woofer later in the future

$407.89 + $96.91 shipping =  $504.08

QUESTION 1:

Of those 2 sets, Idea 1 obviously costs more money, but will it sound much better? Maybe these floor speakers make it so that sub isn't even needed? If I purchase Idea 2, I could  use the price difference to buy a good sub. I just would not want to be left regretting not purchasing the towers (better sound quality)?

QUESTION 2:

Would the Yamaha RX-V375 receiver be enough to power this system? It is $250 and has the room acoustics microphone too.

QUESTION 3:

Using Canadian sellers such as Futureshop, Bestbuy, Visions, BossSound (dot ca), which subs would you recommend at the $100-$200-$300 price ranges? 


Thanks for your time! Its 5am now and I feel a case of analysis paralysis going on now. See you all when I wake up at 2pm D;

I would recommend to buy only the front 3 speaker, and buy a better sub. Trust me, I've been there. It sucks trying to sell audio equipment. It took me almost 7 months to sell a pair of Klipsch RW-12D for $400 dollars. I would suggest to up your subwoofer budget to at least $500 to $589. For $500 I would suggest the SVS PB-1000. I think you can get them in Canada as well.

So, get a pair of BS22 and CS22 with the PB-1000. Later on add the surround speakers.
post #4998 of 5316
Considering he's putting 5-600 into his whole setup, I'm not sure he's going to have the budget to drop the same amount into just a sub. Granted it WOULD be a good range for a sub, a decent sub can be had for $200ish also to at the very least get you started.
post #4999 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mithoz View Post

I'm looking into one of two configurations

I won't repeat the excellent advice from wdeydwondrer and sumrtym, but have a few considerations to add.

When looking out for sales, look out for the first generation speakers. There are plenty of comparisons on the two series in this thread, but the first series are cheaper.

Save up for a good subwoofer (which we presume you meant when you said "woofer"). Do not buy a cheap sub, which includes the SW-8(MK2). It will seem very expensive compared to the low cost of these speakers and you might think it not worth the money until you hear it. Look through this thread and others for advice on choice of sub(s) and how to buy and use them. There is a Canadian dealer for at least one of the major direct sale sub vendors and of course there is the used market. Both the bookshelf and floorstanding speakers will sound great when configured as LARGE in your receiver so you'll have plenty of time to enjoy them until you get the sub.

Whenever you are pricing bookshelf versus floorstanding speakers, always factor in the cost of speaker stands. You may find that a floorstanding speaker is better value since it's much sturdier than a bookshelf speaker on a stand and you get better performance, but make sure that the tweeter will be around ear level and not blocked by your furniture. The SP-FS52-LR are taller than the rather short SP-FS51-LR.

The perfect 5/7/9.1/2... speaker setup uses identical speakers. Your electronics don't need to be under your screen. Consider this when planning your speaker layout.
post #5000 of 5316

Wdeydwondrer, Sumrtym, GusGus748s, AJCxZ0 -
Thank you so much for your replies! I read them when I woke up around 2pm (ohhh Sundays…) and have been forum searching ever since then. These speakers have seriously made so many people around the world happy from the look of things.

I have decided to purchase:
4x SP-BS22-LR speakers (fronts and surrounds) (Luckily, I have two not-in-use 30" high speaker stands ready for the front!)
1x SP-C22 (center)

I realize that I will be seriously lacking in bass, but I will be purchasing these Pioneers from the only vendor in Canada who sells them, across the country, and would like to get them all out of the way in one fell swoop. (Maybe if I buy more at once, they will be more flexible with prices, when I call to check ;) )
As for sub? I will save up over the next month and purchase an SVS PB-1000! As my main use for this system will be video games and movies, it seems like the right choice (as GusGus suggested). $500 will take some time to save, but by not purchasing those floor speakers, I save half the cost of the subwoofer right off the bat!

Time for a new question though:
Wdeydwondrer did say that the Yamaha RX-V375 would power these speakers, but I will be more specific with my question this time.
With 4xBS22, 1xC22 and 1xPB-1000, what would the ideal wattage be for a HT receiver amp, used for games/movies, be for a room that measures 12’x20’ with a 7’ ceiling (1’ drop ceiling) (in a finished basement)?
I do not know how loud I’d listen as I’ve only ever used computer speakers I bought in 2001. But I would not want to shake the house on a regular basis! hahaha

For example, which numbers on these amps should I be paying attention to when choosing an amp for these speakers?
If I wouldn't get much benefit in any models past the RX-V375 for $20, I'd be happy to stick with him for economical sake.

RX-V375:  (5.1) $250
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) : 100 W (8 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) : 70 W (8 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) : 110/130/160/180 W

RX-V475: (5.1) $330
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) : 115 W (8 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) : 80 W (8 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) : 110/130/160/180 W


RX-V575: (7.2) $370
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) : 115 W (8 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) : 80 W (8 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) : 120/140/170/190 W

RX-V675: (7.2) $500
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven) : 105 W (8 ohms, 0.9% THD)
Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven) : 90 W (8 ohms, 0.09% THD)
Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms) : 130/170/200/240 W

Thanks again everyone!

post #5001 of 5316
To tell you the ideal wattage you would need the distance you listen from the speakers and the loudness at that distance, plus the sensitivity of the speakers. Since you don't know the volume you would want, but can say you don't want the house rattling, the unit you picked should be a fine starting point as long as it provides some form of room correction. It likely won't provide the power to reach reference volume in that room, but many if not most won't listen that loud anyways. To compare, you want the power when driven in multiple channels (usually only listed in 2ch). These speakers are 6ohm so they take a bit more ppwer than the listed 8ohm,but all of those receivers can handle it. If you decide you want as loud as you can get, then you would want the most amp yoir budget would allow
post #5002 of 5316
The RX-475 is a good option - I like the fact that you do not lose 10 watts when you hook up
2 channels (notice the 375). The BS22 can get decently loud, and is not a wimp. The Yamaha
will be rated a little higher at 6 ohms.

I am not sure if they have done much more with their 3XX amps - the former 371 receiver
only measured between 32 to 35 watts in 5 channel surround mode.
Edited by zieglj01 - 1/5/14 at 10:44pm
post #5003 of 5316
Another note (sorry for not an edit and spelling, on my phone!) i had started with the 22 as my front l/r but when I bought my 55" lcd i found that they sounded 'smaller' than the picture which the 52 solved. They put out more sound at the same power from the amp and in my room really increased the size of the sound stage. The 22 are not a slouch though (and simply whoop the htib speakers) but the 52 is more speaker obviously. Just a thought if you have a large screen. Would also suggest listening to them at a store if you can before purchase just to get a feel
post #5004 of 5316
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Originally Posted by Mithoz View Post

Wdeydwondrer, Sumrtym, GusGus748s, AJCxZ0 -

Thank you so much for your replies! I read them when I woke up around 2pm (ohhh Sundays…) and have been forum searching ever since then. These speakers have seriously made so many people around the world happy from the look of things.


I have decided to purchase:

4x SP-BS22-LR speakers (fronts and surrounds) (Luckily, I have two not-in-use 30" high speaker stands ready for the front!)

1x SP-C22 (center)


I realize that I will be seriously lacking in bass, but I will be purchasing these Pioneers from the only vendor in Canada who sells them, across the country, and would like to get them all out of the way in one fell swoop. (Maybe if I buy more at once, they will be more flexible with prices, when I call to check wink.gif )

As for sub? I will save up over the next month and purchase an SVS PB-1000! As my main use for this system will be video games and movies, it seems like the right choice (as GusGus suggested). $500 will take some time to save, but by not purchasing those floor speakers, I save half the cost of the subwoofer right off the bat!

Time for a new question though:

Wdeydwondrer did say that the Yamaha RX-V375 would power these speakers, but I will be more specific with my question this time.

With 4xBS22, 1xC22 and 1xPB-1000, what would the ideal wattage be for a HT receiver amp, used for games/movies, be for a room that measures 12’x20’ with a 7’ ceiling (1’ drop ceiling) (in a finished basement)?

I do not know how loud I’d listen as I’ve only ever used computer speakers I bought in 2001. But I would not want to shake the house on a regular basis! hahaha

For example, which numbers on these amps should I be paying attention to when choosing an amp for these speakers?

If I wouldn't get much benefit in any models past the RX-V375 for $20, I'd be happy to stick with him for economical sake.


RX-V375:  (5.1) $250
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)
: 100 W
(8 ohms, 0.9% THD)

Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven)
: 70 W
(8 ohms, 0.09% THD)

Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms)
: 110/130/160/180 W



RX-V475: (5.1) $330
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)
: 115 W
(8 ohms, 0.9% THD)

Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven)
: 80 W
(8 ohms, 0.09% THD)

Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms)
: 110/130/160/180 W




RX-V575: (7.2) $370
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)
: 115 W
(8 ohms, 0.9% THD)

Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven)
: 80 W
(8 ohms, 0.09% THD)

Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms)
: 120/140/170/190 W



RX-V675: (7.2) $500
Rated Output Power (1kHz, 1ch driven)
: 105 W
(8 ohms, 0.9% THD)

Rated Output Power (20Hz-20kHz, 2ch driven)
: 90 W
(8 ohms, 0.09% THD)

Dynamic Power per Channel (8/6/4/2 ohms)
: 130/170/200/240 W


Thanks again everyone!


Dont worry about the wattage. All of them will do fine. The only way to get a significant increase in wattage would be to get an external amp. Get a receiver with the features you want.
post #5005 of 5316
The metal grill is more durable, nicer and more classy....I think that they messed up by replacing it with cheap looking cloth grill.....
post #5006 of 5316
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Originally Posted by glorystar View Post

The metal grill is more durable, nicer and more classy....I think that they messed up by replacing it with cheap looking cloth grill.....

 



If you live in a spaceship maybe
post #5007 of 5316
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Originally Posted by glorystar View Post

The metal grill is more durable, nicer and more classy....I think that they messed up by replacing it with cheap looking cloth grill.....

I actually play mine with the cloth grill off, because I love the look of just the bare speakers.
post #5008 of 5316
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Originally Posted by glorystar View Post

The metal grill is more durable, nicer and more classy....I think that they messed up by replacing it with cheap looking cloth grill.....

+1

The cloth covers are simply tacky.
post #5009 of 5316
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Originally Posted by blacklion View Post

+1

The cloth covers are simply tacky.
can't agree with you there. Sure they are pretty tame looking, but you will pay far more to get the same sound quality and really nice grilles. The metal covers are worse, remind me of the ones I put in my '75 Torino in high school.
post #5010 of 5316
Just thought I'd mention that Newegg has the SP-BS21-LR pair for $39.99 (accounting for a $30 rebate card).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=82-117-405&nm_mc=EMCPB-012014&cm_mmc=EMCPB-012014-_-PB-_-Item-_-82-117-405&et_cid=4744&et_rid=154127
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