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Denon AVR-4311 vs AVR-4810

post #1 of 30
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So I am now considering Denon AVR-4810 as I can get it for around $1900. But number of people have noted that I should consider AVR-4311, what is everyone's thoughts on this?
post #2 of 30
4311, for less than 1500, then buy an emotiva xpa-3 or 5, with the savings!
post #3 of 30
edit - ignore post, i found my answer
post #4 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Geronimo.USMC View Post

4311, for less than 1500, then buy an emotiva xpa-3 or 5, with the savings!

Where have you seen 4311 for under 1500?

Also, what is your choice based on? Why do you think 4311 is a better choice then 4810?
post #5 of 30
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Originally Posted by Misha322 View Post

So I am now considering Denon AVR-4810 as I can get it for around $1900. But number of people have noted that I should consider AVR-4311, what is everyone's thoughts on this?

You can get it now at Crutchfield for $1299
post #6 of 30
Does the 4310 support 3D over HDMI?
post #7 of 30
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Originally Posted by DVDMike View Post

You can get it now at Crutchfield for $1299

That's for the 4310. The 4311 is $1999
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by Digitally challe View Post

That's for the 4310. The 4311 is $1999

yes, that is what I said it was for, responding to the quote: "I am now considering Denon AVR-4810 as I can get it for around $1900"
post #9 of 30
I've got a 4311 on preorder myself.

It is plenty for 98% of users and setups. Unless you are one of those extremes that wants to blow 5 grand on amps and a reciever.
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by DVDMike View Post

yes, that is what I said it was for, responding to the quote: "I am now considering Denon AVR-4810 as I can get it for around $1900"

My bad. I thought you were referring to the price of the 4311.
post #11 of 30
I LOVE comparisons like this when one of the products is not even available to 99% of the population...
post #12 of 30
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Originally Posted by CCONKLIN1 View Post

I LOVE comparisons like this when one of the products is not even available to 99% of the population...

Its a great question because on the one hand you can get the older model for $700 off or you can get the newer model later and pay $700 more. So people need to know as much as they can before they decide buy now or wait. What is so unreasonable about this type of question?

Assuming that you are being sarcastic, I would much prefer this type of thread than someone posting on it for no other reason but to complain about it.

I am actually one of the people who is considering one vs the other and I still have an outstanding question about if the 4310 can pass through 3D via HDMI or not. If it does not, I may want to wait for the 4311. If it does, I may want to take advantage of the relatively low price and buy a 4310. Why should this information be insignificant?
post #13 of 30
The one big difference in the specs of the two is that the 4810 has three processors and the 4311 only has one.
post #14 of 30
I would vote for the 4311.

I feel like I am more likely to hear the benefits of Audyssey XT 32 than I am a specific DAC or set of DACs. The preamp mode, pending firmware update for Apple's AirPlay, and the ability to pass 3D video all make it a pretty compelling choice in my eyes.

I was tempted by the 4311, but I already have an external amp and feel uncomfortable wasting 9 channels of amplification that I would never use. The better match for me seems like the Integra DHC-80.2 at this point.
post #15 of 30
Hello,
If using Multichannel Amplifiers, I would go with the 4311 due to its Preamp Mode. However, if using the AVR for Amplification, I would go with the 4810.
Cheers,
AD
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by DVDMike View Post

Does the 4310 support 3D over HDMI?

No, that is last year's model and only the HDMI 1.4 current year models do.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by DiCecco View Post

The one big difference in the specs of the two is that the 4810 has three processors and the 4311 only has one.

The Denon spec pages show the 4810 has (3) 3rd generation 21367 processors while the 4311 has (1) 3rd generation 21367 and (1) 4th generation 21487 processor, although how much a difference this makes I don't know.
post #18 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by DVDMike View Post

yes, that is what I said it was for, responding to the quote: "I am now considering Denon AVR-4810 as I can get it for around $1900"

As you quoted, Denon AVR-4810 not 4310. But if you do know of a place with a sub $2k price for the 4311, do let me know.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Several authorized vendors including Electronics Expo and 6Ave as well as World Wide Stereo are selling the 4311 at 25% below MSRP which has been the case for the past several years with newly released Denon AVRs.

Only WWS has it on their site and it is at full price unfortunately.
post #20 of 30
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Would you say that Denon AVR-4311 best compares to Yamaha RX-A2000 or A3000? And which you like more?
post #21 of 30
From the manual, the 4810 has a table on assigning its amps/speaker terminals, does anyone know which signals can be sent to the 3 assignable amp/speaker terminals on the 4311? The manual for the 4311 doesn't specify. =(
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The Denon spec pages show the 4810 has (3) 3rd generation 21367 processors while the 4311 has (1) 3rd generation 21367 and (1) 4th generation 21487 processor, although how much a difference this makes I don't know.

For filtering, the 4th generation one is about 4 times as powerful as 3rd generation, if the increased H/W capabilities are fully used. I'd expect at least 2X as much performance with decent or OK S/W implementation.
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Misha322 View Post

Only WWS has it on their site and it is at full price unfortunately.

WWS had a 2 day sale going on earlier in the week which lowered the price although don't know whether they're still selling at that reduced price or not. Just because a vendor lists at full MSRP or doesn't list it at all on their web page doesn't mean they don't sell it or don't sell it at a discount. In fact Electronics Expo just received 20 new 4311's today and shipped out most of them from pre-orders, all at 25% off MSRP. They still have a few left as of about an hour ago. Bottom line is you need to "CALL" the vendors to get their best price rather than just looking at their website.
post #24 of 30
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Originally Posted by jobu01 View Post

From the manual, the 4810 has a table on assigning its amps/speaker terminals, does anyone know which signals can be sent to the 3 assignable amp/speaker terminals on the 4311? The manual for the 4311 doesn't specify. =(

the manual DOES specify, you just may not speak fluent "Denon-ese"

the biggest advantage the 4810 has over the 4311 is the "free assign" mode in which you can assign any of the 9 amps to any channel (including other zones). So you could, for example, run an 11-ch setup with all external amps for the Main Zone, and then use the other 9 amps (internal) to power 9 speakers distributed throughout the house.

the 4311 has a more traditional amp assign scheme, where you are locked into a few pre-determined permutations. The "core" 5.1 channels (L/R/C and SR/SL) are "locked in" to their speakers terminals. The other 4 amps are fully assignable, to your choice of height, wide, surr.back, bi-amp, zone 2, or zone 3, depending on how you configure it. So on the 4311, even if you had 11 external amps for Main Zone, you still could only re-purpose 4 amp channels for other zones.
post #25 of 30
Electronics Expo has a sale going on through Oct 8 that drops the 4810 by almost 40% using the coupon code "BIGBEN", so a bit closer to the 4310 price.
post #26 of 30
So with the 4311 and the 4810 being the same price. Which would you get? The 4311 has hdmi 1.4 but the 4810 has more amp options...
post #27 of 30
What I would "want" and you would "need" are based on a different set of requirements. Choose the one that best meets your own requirements.
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

What I would "want" and you would "need" are based on a different set of requirements. Choose the one that best meets your own requirements.

I am torn between the 4810 and the 4311. There are some great discounts (25-35% off) available for both.

I currently have a 7.1 set up with a true sub and a mid bass sub placed 1 foot away from the LP. Might, at some point convert to 9.1. - I do not run multiple zones and would consider adding an external amp down the road.

I play most movies and music through my HTPC (supports TruHD/DTS-HD)

Leaning towards the 4311 because of the HDMI 1.4, MultEQ XT 32, ability to calibrate 2 subs at different distances.
The 4311 seems to be the best fit for me as the 4810 may be overkill in my case. I won't have multiple zone or mult. amps.

What do you guys think? Anything that I am overlooking?
post #29 of 30
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post
the manual DOES specify, you just may not speak fluent "Denon-ese"

the biggest advantage the 4810 has over the 4311 is the "free assign" mode in which you can assign any of the 9 amps to any channel (including other zones). So you could, for example, run an 11-ch setup with all external amps for the Main Zone, and then use the other 9 amps (internal) to power 9 speakers distributed throughout the house.

the 4311 has a more traditional amp assign scheme, where you are locked into a few pre-determined permutations. The "core" 5.1 channels (L/R/C and SR/SL) are "locked in" to their speakers terminals. The other 4 amps are fully assignable, to your choice of height, wide, surr.back, bi-amp, zone 2, or zone 3, depending on how you configure it. So on the 4311, even if you had 11 external amps for Main Zone, you still could only re-purpose 4 amp channels for other zones.
Is it possible to have either the 4311 or 4810 receiver amps driving the home theater 7.1 set-up, and assign external amps to a different room driving a 5.1 SACD music system at the same time? I do not want to use the receiver's amp's for SACD playback.
post #30 of 30
I would be using either of these units mostly for SACD multi-channel playback with a 3930 player by DSD through Denon link. And to remove one variable, I would probably not use DSP.

All things being equal, which unit actually sounds better?
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