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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
Hi,

I currently have a Definitive Technology 15TL subwoofer and would like to upgrade. I have been very happy with the sound and performance of the 15TL with one exception. When playing movies with very demanding bass volumes like in The Haunting. I can hear a cuffing noise coming from the bass port which is very annoying. This is why I would like to go to a sealed enclosure. I assume a lower quality sealed enclosure would have a some type of noticeable distortion under the same conditions so I want to pick one that will handle the job. Here is my list so far. If you had to pick one of these which would it be and why? Oh I have a Velodyne SMS-1 for tweeking it.

Revel Performa B150

JL Audio Fathom F113

Paradigm Sub 15

Oh and I would like the new sub to move as much air as the DT. I will be using it for music as well as movies. I think my current sub sounds good with music and have never heard the cuffing sound during music playback.
post #2 of 39
Add the Rythmik to your list.
post #3 of 39
Thread Starter 
OK I will look at it however it would be nice if you all would make comments on my list in addition to any additional recommendations.

Thanks!
post #4 of 39
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

Hi,

I currently have a Definitive Technology 15TL subwoofer and would like to upgrade. I have been very happy with the sound and performance of the 15TL with one exception. When playing movies with very demanding bass volumes like in The Haunting. I can hear a cuffing noise coming from the bass port which is very annoying. This is why I would like to go to a sealed enclosure. I assume a lower quality sealed enclosure would have a some type of noticeable distortion under the same conditions so I want to pick one that will handle the job. Here is my list so far. If you had to pick one of these which would it be and why? Oh I have a Velodyne SMS-1 for tweeking it.

Revel Performa B150

JL Audio Fathom F113

Paradigm Sub 15

Oh and I would like the new sub to move as much air as the DT. I will be using it for music as well as movies. I think my current sub sounds good with music and have never heard the cuffing sound during music playback.

Dude, around here, nothing equals the respect for the Seaton Submersive HP. $2,400 plus shipping.
post #5 of 39
Thread Starter 
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Add the Rythmik to your list.

Took a look and does look like it's up to the task and not in the same league as my other components.

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Dude, around here, nothing equals the respect for the Seaton Submersive HP. $2,400 plus shipping.

Looks like it maybe ok and looked at one post who someone liked it better than their JL B12 but I'm interested in the B130. I'm not impressed with a company who doesn't even have a website. I couldn't even find any product announcement on their forum. Their product list was created in 07. I would prefer a larger more well known company. How about someone working with my list.
post #6 of 39
Thread Starter 
Equipment list can't figure out were to put this in my profile so here it is just in case anyone is interested.

Marrantz AV8003, Mondial 125x5 amp, BW7SE speakers, Definitive Tech TL15 subwoofer with Velodyne SMS-1, Denon 5700 unv player, Panasonic BD35 Player, Pioneer Eliter Kuro PRO-101FD, Sanyo Z4 projector, Stewart Studio Tech 94" electric screen
post #7 of 39
Nobody is going to make up your mind for you so go with one of the three that you chose. For the price of a Fathom you could get 2 or 4 of a good sub from one of the online sub manufacturers for a large room that would more then deliver what you are looking for. I myself went with Epik Empire for my 6000+ cu ft room. Have four of them for the best bass that I have ever heard.
post #8 of 39
Without thinking twice, a Submersive.
post #9 of 39
I assume your budget is around $3000. You can get shipped two of these:

F15HP - single 15" with 600watts
http://ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/subs/f15.html

or the newer F25 with dual front firing 15" backed by 600watts (I think)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post19226783
with this you'll have four 15" drivers.

pm Rythmik for info.
post #10 of 39
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

Took a look and does look like it's up to the task and not in the same league as my other components.

Don't sell the Rythmik's short. Rythmik's can more than "hang" with your gear.
post #11 of 39
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

Looks like it maybe ok and looked at one post who someone liked it better than their JL B12 but I'm interested in the B130. I'm not impressed with a company who doesn't even have a website. I couldn't even find any product announcement on their forum. Their product list was created in 07. I would prefer a larger more well known company. How about someone working with my list.

Why?
post #12 of 39
I'd go with a TCA CS 18.2 over a submersive.
post #13 of 39
I would go dual svs pb 13 ultras. You wont have to worry about port noise on those bad boys. Or svs has the new sealed versions which look real nice.
post #14 of 39
+1 on the TCA CS 18.2 recommendation. I came from a D.T. Supercube Reference and two ported designs in between and now with the 18.2. If you are looking for that tight, controlled accurate sound coupled to explosive power this sub fits the order. Dual opposed 18's and sealed it is a passive design the amp is included with the price.
post #15 of 39
For that cash i would go with two Rythmik F15's or two SVS PB13-ultras. Or a submersive. JL's are nice but waaaay over priced.

For quality bass rythmik can "hang" with any sub IMO.

Oh and dont discount the Seaton submersive just because theres no website. Mark Seaton is one of the most respected names in the business.
post #16 of 39
Humorous that the guy posts 3 subs, asks for opinions on those 2, and people start recco'ing others. Then he says he's not interested and would prefer someone to comment on the 3, and people continue to post other subs.

Of those 3, I'd go with the Paradigm. Haven't heard the Revel or Paradigm (I have heard the F113 on several occasions), but the PDigm gets great reviews. Has an amp that is 500 watts beefier than the Revel, and is a much larger box as well so likely has better extension. Many that have heard both the F113 and Sub15 have preferred the Sub15 for whatever reason.

The F113 is a great sub, but somewhat dated now.

You definitely won't get "chuffing" with any of the above options, given they're all sealed!

How big is your room?
post #17 of 39
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Originally Posted by D.T.MIKE View Post

+1 on the TCA CS 18.2 recommendation. I came from a D.T. Supercube Reference and two ported designs in between and now with the 18.2. If you are looking for that tight, controlled accurate sound coupled to explosive power this sub fits the order. Dual opposed 18's and sealed it is a passive design the amp is included with the price.

I'd have to guess that given he's looking at the Sub15, Revel and JLF113 which are all incredible looking subs, with due respect to Craig and the subs he's making there, the fit and finish may not be up to these!

Hopefully Craig ends up adding an outer baffle and working on the looks of his subs. Though I guess that would add to their cost considerably, and if you're putting it in a dark HT room where it'll be hidden anyhow ....
post #18 of 39
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies so far. So I see many folks are suggesting 2 subs and I know this is a good idea however it won't happen because of the wife factor. A sub larger than what I have now won't work either.
post #19 of 39
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

Thanks for all the replies so far. So I see many folks are suggesting 2 subs and I know this is a good idea however it won't happen because of the wife factor. A sub larger than what I have now won't work either.

Then i would get a rythmik f15 or from the ones on your list, the paradigm.
post #20 of 39
Rythmic F15, without question.....
post #21 of 39
Funny - nobody has asked what size room this is for.
Going from a ported sub to a sealed you may want to look at multiples.

The F113 has a strict high pass filter at 17-18hz, you won't get port chuffing but you also won't get material playback below that either.

Out of the 3 the paradigm fits the bill but one may not be enough. Your sub is old, there are better designs of ported that are far superior like the SVS ultra 13. Which may be a better decision in a larger room if that's what you have. Seaton submersive would be my choice for sealed.
post #22 of 39
3 more laws relating to subwoofers. Size. Budget. and WAF. Go.Ogling, I've been unable to locate the dimensions of the OP's DT sub. And since multiples are out of the question, I'd recommend either the Submersive HP (with veneer to boost WAF to offset size) or the Rythmik 15 HP (a 20" cube). No ports for noise and a higer excursions driver vs the regualr Rythmik 15s.
post #23 of 39
Thread Starter 
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Funny - nobody has asked what size room this is for.
Going from a ported sub to a sealed you may want to look at multiples.

It's an open room roughly 24 x 30 with a peaked ceiling at 13'.

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The F113 has a strict high pass filter at 17-18hz, you won't get port chuffing but you also won't get material playback below that either.

When I purchased my current sub the sales person told me how impressed he was with how low it will go. However looking at the graph on my SMS-1 it shows a great drop off after about 28Hz. Even though as I said initially I'm satisfied with the sound of my current sub when not pushed beyond it's limits I am looking for a sub with a more flat response in the 20-50Hz range anything blow that would be a bonus. One of the reasons I picked the Revel was that the graph was very flat in that range and only dropped 1.5Hz from 30Hz down to 20Hz
post #24 of 39
Ok, on your list, the Paradigm Sub 15.
post #25 of 39
[quote=Warpdrv;19246050]Funny - nobody has asked what size room this is for.



pbc asked in post #16
post #26 of 39
Thread Starter 
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Ok, on your list, the Paradigm Sub 15.

I just discovered the Paradigm Signature 25 that is only a little bigger than what I have now. What do you think of that one.
post #27 of 39
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Originally Posted by Warpdrv View Post

Funny - nobody has asked what size room this is for.
pbc asked in post #16

Sorry pbc I missed the question. I think your poke thru me off.

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Of those 3, I'd go with the Paradigm. Haven't heard the Revel or Paradigm (I have heard the F113 on several occasions), but the PDigm gets great reviews. Has an amp that is 500 watts beefier than the Revel, and is a much larger box as well so likely has better extension. Many that have heard both the F113 and Sub15 have preferred the Sub15 for whatever reason.
The F113 is a great sub, but somewhat dated now.

You definitely won't get "chuffing" with any of the above options, given they're all sealed!

How big is your room?

24 x 30 x 13 peaked type ceiling open room to kitchen entry and hallway. measurements include everything except the hallway. I'm now considering the Paradigm Signature 25 but don't know if I can afford it and am more open to the Seaton Submersive HP if they can give me some type of return policy and I could find somewhere to hide it. But I doubt wife will approve it.
post #28 of 39
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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post

Took a look and does look like it's up to the task and not in the same league as my other components.



Looks like it maybe ok and looked at one post who someone liked it better than their JL B12 but I'm interested in the B130. I'm not impressed with a company who doesn't even have a website. I couldn't even find any product announcement on their forum. Their product list was created in 07. I would prefer a larger more well known company. How about someone working with my list.

If you are going to be arrogant and snotty about it, then pit those subs that you like against some of the better DIY subs. I have news for you there are a ton of DIY subs that wipe the floor with your choices.
post #29 of 39
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Originally Posted by corey99699 View Post




pbc asked in post #16


Ahh missed that, and very important info for valid suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Steve Ruddy View Post


24 x 30 x 13 peaked type ceiling open room to kitchen entry and hallway. measurements include everything except the hallway. I'm now considering the Paradigm Signature 25 but don't know if I can afford it and am more open to the Seaton Submersive HP if they can give me some type of return policy and I could find somewhere to hide it. But I doubt wife will approve it.

10,000 cu ft is no small area and I can be the first to tell you, your going to have a rough time finding something to fill that area well.... My great room is at least a large as that with all the openings or bigger...

I went from ported to sealed, and it was a long learning journey for me to get where I am now, and not only do you have to fight the room, you also have to fight against WAF.

Sealed subs rely pretty heavily on low end room gain to get good output down low, where ported will be tuned at a certain freq and can get better output down there without help from the room. If you haven't seen this thread - I urge you to read it... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1275235

From your comments about movies and wanting more effortless power down low - your going to need more then 1 sealed sub in a room that size unless your planning on sitting on the damn thing.... just sayin

Oh and BTW - take some time and read at Seaton forum, and his threads here - he is a stand up guy, and just because he doesn't have a website there are reasons for that. I know for a fact that he is a single entrepreneur doing it for the most part alone. His awesome product sells itself and has taken time away from getting his website up.... I congratulate a guy that is as dedicated to his product and customer in the face of all the hype and BS that the audio world is filled with... His website is coming.... Oh and BTW for full disclosure, I don't own any of his subs - yet. I've only built my own, you can see them in my profile.
post #30 of 39
2 Def. Tech. Trinity subs for that size of room.
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