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post #61 of 83
11/12/10 at 11:52am
thanks for the clarification KvE,
Here's hoping that it's going to be glorious 2.35:1!!!
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post #62 of 83
11/12/10 at 7:32pm
The transfer will surely be 2.35:1. The only "open-matte" Super 35 transfer I know of is Star Trek VI at 2.00:1, which was possible because everything in that movie (including effects shots) were protected for that tall of an aspect ratio.
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post #63 of 83
11/13/10 at 2:38pm
I'm pretty sure the ILM pseudopod shots are very close to 2.35:1 so an open matte transfer would cripple those.
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post #64 of 83
11/13/10 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post
I'm pretty sure the ILM pseudopod shots are very close to 2.35:1 so an open matte transfer would cripple those.
Then how did the 4:3 Cameron approved Laserdisc work?
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post #65 of 83
11/13/10 at 5:18pm
Super 35 does not necessarily mean open matte. It usually means a combination of open matte + cropping at sides, the extent of which will vary from shot to shot.

In the 80s and 90s in particular, special effects shots are usually composed for the one ratio. Observe the difference between regular and effects shots in the Fifth Element screenshots on this page:
http://www.twowiresthin.com/aspect/

While many shots in the 4:3 version of the Abyss would have the mattes opened, a lot of the fantastic ILM shots would have been nothing more than pan+scan.
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post #66 of 83
11/13/10 at 6:52pm
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post
Then how did the 4:3 Cameron approved Laserdisc work?
It was made when the majority of tvs were 4x3 standard def. It worked by offering a bigger picture at the expense of composition. We know better now.

All of the pan & scan versions of Cameron's films are approved by him. That doesn't mean he prefers them over the intended aspect ratio.
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post #67 of 83
11/14/10 at 3:07am
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Originally Posted by Kram Sacul View Post

It was made when the majority of tvs were 4x3 standard def. It worked by offering a bigger picture at the expense of composition. We know better now.

All of the pan & scan versions of Cameron's films are approved by him. That doesn't mean he prefers them over the intended aspect ratio.

I know that, but my point was the effects were made to work in both ratios
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post #68 of 83
11/14/10 at 5:02am
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It will be interesting whether Cameron decides to change the ratio and opt for a more 16X9 friendly version ala Avatar.

Avatar was 16x9 for 3D purposes. Taller aspects work better with 3D because it keeps the elements from slipping out of the top or bottom of the frame and collapsing the effect.

The Abyss doesn't have that issue.
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post #69 of 83
11/14/10 at 9:25am
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I know that, but my point was the effects were made to work in both ratios

If by "made to work" you mean "pan and scanned for the 4:3".

It's a lot easier to change the aspect ratio of something entirely digital like Avatar, or produce a 1.78:1 HDTV master of a 2.35:1 film (when modern Super-35 is ~1.78:1 native as opposed to ~1.39:1) than it is to recompose a 1980s movie shot with a number of optical and physical effects for a 3rd aspect ratio.
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post #70 of 83
11/14/10 at 10:17am
Just thought you guys might like to know, my dad just sat beside John Lowry on a 20 minute flight. He started talking to him about restorations, and Mr. Lowry told him that the restoration for The Abyss is already done and in the can. He also had a few other tidbits of info about other projects:

Apparently they're working on the Titanic restoration/3d-izing at the moment and they say it looks phenomenal. James Cameron has been heavily involved in this, even go so far as to tell them what sort of depth of field to use on different parts of the image during some scenes. Apparently it looks so good that it's hard to tell it wasn't shot in 3d in the first place.

He also mentioned that they're working with the Star Wars movies again, and have gone back to the originals for the groundwork. This is probably for the 3d versions (I would assume the masters for use with the Blu-Ray set are finished already). He implied that this restoration means they will have restored versions of the theatrical Star Wars movies, but that they have had no indication from Lucas that the movies are in the pipeline for release in their theatrical versions.

Pretty interesting stuff. I can only imagine what my dad could have learned if the flight was longer than from Victoria to Vancouver BC, haha.
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post #71 of 83
11/14/10 at 10:41am
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Just thought you guys might like to know, my dad just sat beside John Lowry on a 20 minute flight. He started talking to him about restorations, and Mr. Lowry told him that the restoration for The Abyss is already done and in the can. He also had a few other tidbits of info about other projects:

Apparently they're working on the Titanic restoration/3d-izing at the moment and they say it looks phenomenal. James Cameron has been heavily involved in this, even go so far as to tell them what sort of depth of field to use on different parts of the image during some scenes. Apparently it looks so good that it's hard to tell it wasn't shot in 3d in the first place.

He also mentioned that they're working with the Star Wars movies again, and have gone back to the originals for the groundwork. This is probably for the 3d versions (I would assume the masters for use with the Blu-Ray set are finished already). He implied that this restoration means they will have restored versions of the theatrical Star Wars movies, but that they have had no indication from Lucas that the movies are in the pipeline for release in their theatrical versions.

Pretty interesting stuff. I can only imagine what my dad could have learned if the flight was longer than from Victoria to Vancouver BC, haha.

Wow that's great news about The Abyss. Lucky guy!
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post #72 of 83
11/14/10 at 11:10am
So your dad knew who John Lowry was on sight, or John Lowry introduced himself and his profession up front? That seems like a pretty involved conversation for a 20 minute flight.
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post #73 of 83
11/14/10 at 11:31am
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So your dad knew who John Lowry was on sight, or John Lowry introduced himself and his profession up front? That seems like a pretty involved conversation for a 20 minute flight.

No idea. I just got a call from him afterwards. He said he ended up getting his card, which is pretty cool.
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post #74 of 83
11/14/10 at 2:52pm
it has been reported that the abyss got an HD transfer years ago. they were waiting for cameron to sign off on it. from what I had heard cameron was revisiting and doing it like the aliens Se. he was suppose to be working on it shortly or working on it now. hopefully come out sometime next year.

Jacob
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post #75 of 83
11/15/10 at 4:16am
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Originally Posted by NetworkTV View Post

Avatar was 16x9 for 3D purposes. Taller aspects work better with 3D because it keeps the elements from slipping out of the top or bottom of the frame and collapsing the effect.

The Abyss doesn't have that issue.

Yet!!!
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post #76 of 83
11/15/10 at 7:57am
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\\If Cameron does the transfer right (which I think he will) we will not only get ANAMORPHIC, but a release that will surpass the theatrical, especially (hopefully) with a 4K transfer.

Anamorphic is a non-issue for Blu-ray.
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post #77 of 83
11/15/10 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by BerserkerTails View Post

Just thought you guys might like to know, my dad just sat beside John Lowry on a 20 minute flight. He started talking to him about restorations, and Mr. Lowry told him that the restoration for The Abyss is already done and in the can. He also had a few other tidbits of info about other projects:

Apparently they're working on the Titanic restoration/3d-izing at the moment and they say it looks phenomenal. James Cameron has been heavily involved in this, even go so far as to tell them what sort of depth of field to use on different parts of the image during some scenes. Apparently it looks so good that it's hard to tell it wasn't shot in 3d in the first place.

He also mentioned that they're working with the Star Wars movies again, and have gone back to the originals for the groundwork. This is probably for the 3d versions (I would assume the masters for use with the Blu-Ray set are finished already). He implied that this restoration means they will have restored versions of the theatrical Star Wars movies, but that they have had no indication from Lucas that the movies are in the pipeline for release in their theatrical versions.

1. The Abyss: Done
2. Titanic Restoration: In Progress
3, Titanic 3D: "looks phenomenal"
4. Star Wars 3D: In Progress
5. Star Wars BD's: Finished ("already")
6. Theatrical Star Wars: Restored

Other than that, not much.
Just think if it was a cross-country flight!

Funny a media reporter never talked too him about all this.
Thank goodness your dad did!!!
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post #78 of 83
11/15/10 at 2:27pm
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6. Theatrical star wars: Restored

Yeaaaaaaah!
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post #79 of 83
11/15/10 at 6:40pm
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I can't count how many times I've watched a film with that scene where someone is thought to be dead and one determined character keeps going with CPR with no apparent success until the crying people standing around start telling them to stop and then they do stop long enough for the audience to be tricked into thinking that it's over but then they go back at it with renewed fervor until the surprise moment when the person regains consciousness and the music swells amidst tears and hugs all around. But even though I've seen it a hundred times, I don't think it's ever been done as well as in The Abyss.

As a viewer, you just cannot help but to be overwhelmed with jubilation after such an ordeal, eh?

Ed Harris is such a viscerally dramatic actor.
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post #80 of 83
11/15/10 at 9:51pm
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So your dad knew who John Lowry was on sight, or John Lowry introduced himself and his profession up front? That seems like a pretty involved conversation for a 20 minute flight.

The plane had a Facebook group
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post #81 of 83
11/16/10 at 7:28am
For those who haven't flown first class, it is very common for the flight attendants to address the first class passengers by name....

"What would you like to drink, Mr. Lowrey?"

Vern
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post #82 of 83
11/16/10 at 8:09am
There's typically no first class on 20 minute regional flights, let alone drink services. These are done on small commuter jets.
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post #83 of 83
11/16/10 at 12:22pm
Unnecessary comments removed.
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