The Offical Epson 8350 Owners Thread - Page 50

There may be a good explanation, so I don't want to point the finger... but it did get me wondering. $1175 shipped is a great price (now risen to $1200), and as long as the item works 100% and has the right, valid warranty, I think I'm cool with its history. There was no red blob that I could see, at least.

man I love my PJ, so I don't know about you, but if it were me I'd probably still feel it was worth it!

I have it set up with a 16' throw and 8.5ft viewing distance

I use a 110" screen. Forget what kind but it is White. Da-Lite I think. I set up my home theater 8yrs ago with an xv-z9000 so the Epson 8350 is an upgrade to replace the 9000.

I never thought I would be replacing my 10K projector with an 1200.00 one so I was a little nervous about it but it is leaps and bounds better and not just because of 1080p.

From setup to the awesome Bright picture. Even in eco mode and cinema color the screen is still very bright and handles ambient light like a champ.

Please elaborate

I've found that the red haze seems to get more prominent the longer the projector is on.
The best way to check for it is most likely at the end of a movie when the credits are rolling since most are all black with text/credits.
The easiest way to look for it is look on the bottom right then scan your eyes across the bottom to the left than back to the right from about 10-12 feet away.
You'll notice the black is not consistent across the bottom and has the reddish haze on the lower right. You can use the same method from top left and scan to the right.

Another method is if you have a digital camera, focus on the black screen without flash as if you are going to take a picture. The view screen seems to pick up the red haze pretty good but I couldn't get it to capture it very well or even as good as the one Zanna captured below.

*You'll most likely will not notice this in normal viewing because your eyes are focused near the middle of the screen. Only when your eyes wonder to the upper left or lower right during dark scenes will you notice this red haze.
Still not sure if I'm going to keep it since this is the 3rd unit with the same exact issue from 3 different stores.

Just ordered mine, I passed up a great deal on an HD20( less than 200 hours, $400), I hope it will be worth it.

My Setup is 120" white 1.1 screen@ 15' throw.

Thanks, Chris
Your emailed explaniation cleared everything up and am very happy so far. My only concern about the "wall experiment" was that there were dancing sparkles all over the picture (so not due to wall features), but the pattern wasn't random - it'd follow the outline of a character's hair, for example.
Anyway, this is all moot. I've determined that the projector wasn't damaged in shipping, and that's all I wanted to do. Today, I will try experiments with various other sources and we'll see.
My projector room won't be ready for another month anyway, so a return cycle won't lose me any time if it comes to that.

I had a similar experience with the Queen, "Live in Montreal" bluray. It's the only disc I've seen what you described.

I saw it with all the videos I tried. Then again, I live in Montreal too, so maybe that's a universal problem!

Chris, it was definitely hard to pass up, and if the 8350 didn't exist I would have definitely got it. The hd20 I was going to buy is a friends of mine, he's only had it 6 months. I've seen it in action, and it's quit impressive. Ultimately though I had the cash to spend, and the adjustment capability is real handy. Not to mention the almost 2x contrast ratio.

I could use some help----this is my third projector and my last was a Marantz vp4001

My problem----I'm projecting at 110" in 2.35 at about 14 ft---it is table-mounted so it's not upside down---so far the table-mount has risen to about 48"and it's still not enough to take the bow out of the top of the picture-----convex bow-----still needing a bit of vertical lenshift to fit my screen.

What height do others of you have it sitting without picture distortion?

I'm using a Wilsonart laminate with 1.25 gain approx. and I'm not over-impressed by the blacks yet---about the same as I had before but I haven't finished tweaking yet so that may improve.

The light producing power this has is impressive so don't think I'm complaining---I just want to fix the few issues I have and then I'll be more satisfied with my purchase.

Thanks

[Caveat Emptor: I don't actually own this projector, but...]

From what I understand, any image bowing is caused by not having the unit perfectly perpendicular (horizontally and vertically) to the screen. The H & V shift capabilities negate the need for any tombstone-like corrections if the projector is at exactly 90 degrees to the screen plane.

Pulled the trigger today. Just couldn't resist. Got the bundle package for Visual Apex. I hope it will be here by Monday so I can set it up over the Thanksgiving holiday.

Yeah!

Thanks DGF but I know that it needs tobe aligned----I'm asking for the height of the platform necessary to do this. I have increased the height by about 3 inches and I will check to see if that corrects the bow. Table-top mounting at over 4 feet seems kind of excessive not to mention a little unstable. The closer to the screen the higher the mount I guess.

I'm not looking for a red blob, because I might find it. With no source, I see nothing but black - and I'm not going to go searching!

The 8350 is a pure joy to watch, but I'm surprised how capable the tiny featherweight Optoma H-30 that it replaced is considering it is SD, older gen DLP. I've figured out what to do with it:

There are 2 convalescent homes (one long term, one short term rehab) for old(er) folks near my house. I talked to both, and am going in each one every other week to set up the Optoma, a DVD player, a boom box, and have 'movie night'. Both places have a commons area with plenty of couches and chairs, and a suitable white wall to project on. If everyone gets to like it, maybe I'll show a movie every week. I get to supply the movie, so should be fun!

John F

Sorry - I misunderstood what you were asking!

I just assumed that you could/would only get a bowed top if the projector was actually tilted up at the front - otherwise you'd get a straight-edged rectangular image, but it would be too low. This is actually something I now need to consider for my own installation.

If the table is 4' high, I'd love to see the chairs!

Check this LINK out, it will explain what i think is happening to your screen.

Bottom line is though, every inch your below center of projected screen causes a little bit more "bowing effect". Most zoom a little to hide an inch or 2 in the border, if there experiencing this.

Also as the previous poster said make sure your PJ is not tilted to the left or right, or un-level front to back as this would cause a manuel keystone effect.

And make sure your not using any digital keystone either as that will cause the bowing effect as well.

Thanks you guys---basically I have to keep going up----about 54" I'm guessing to get rid of the bowing----I may just shelf mount it to the back wall which is only about a foot farther back. It would be more stable and safe there.

Wow, what a great idea! That's actually really cool, though I can't help but wonder what you would be screening. I mean, Sex and the City?? Spiderman?? Or Casablanca??? No, seriously, I can't imagine what I would screen old folks. Why not let them vote on it? The facility should get Netflix streaming....

So you can buy this from this site at 1200? How much is it shipped? I will definitely be buying this if this is true... really on the fence right now between this and the HD20.

Best thing to do is contact them to find out.

http://avscience.com/contact-form/

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So I have mine 20 feet from the screen. Am I robbing my eyes of what they could be seeing? The picture is already stunning.

Jays_on, my room setup is also going to put the projector about 20' away, and I have a 133" da-lite to project onto. From that distance, are you still getting a really bright picture? Do you find you need more light control because of it?

Happy to report that I took the 8350 to the basement and tried setting up in many locations. I connected directly to the bluray player (a $48 Vizio) and got blown away. This was projecting onto the wall the retractable screen will cover. We had to cover the recessed TV bay with some brown corrugated cardboard, and the picture on the board was better than that on the very white plastered drywall. I think a grey screen is in order.

I love the picture quality!

Results
We used cardboard boxes to "mount" the projector at different locations and heights to see where the limits of lens shift would take us. I'm glad we did this because there's a lot less shift than I imagined from reading projector reviews. I guess it's measured in a fairly counter-intuitive way. In the end we found a spot that would be perfect and designed a custom-made aluminium enclosure/shelf that will be mounted on and between a vertical steel I-beam and a horizontal one in the ceiling. The 8350 will be offset a little (8"-10") from the centreline horizontally and just a few (4-6) inches above the top of the visible screen.
The projector will be about 13' from the 120" screen and seating will be 10 to 15 feet. I can't wait until the room is ready with it's 14 speakers and one or two subs as well, yielding an 11.1 or 11.2 system, with two possible 9.1/9.2 combos active at any given time.

The bad
Other than the lens shift being less than I thought it was going to be, especially horizontally where I needed it most, there was little that disappointed. The image was perfect and showed no evidence of the sparkles I'd seen yesterday connected to my HTPC via my Onkyo NR-5007 receiver, the same model the projector is planned to couple with.
The other bad thing is that now I can't wait to finish the room and use this thing! It's going to be incredibly tempting to put the 8350 on a box and watch something before the room's carpeted!

Overall, very impressed, and even more so that I saved $200 over the nearest price that I had access to in Canada. So far, I can heartily recommend Cleveland Plasma for their service, from the presale phonecall to the polite offer of returning the projector when I was unsure of its history. This was also a risky sale for them, with me being in Canada, and they gave me some good advice on how to protect myself and them in case of transit damage.

I was just in the same boat as you, HD20 was on a short list of PJ's i was getting ready to buy. I did a lot of research on here and on various other websites that do full PJ reviews with screen shots and calibration settings etc. After all that I decided on the 8350. (keep in mind i could of got the HD20 for $400) so it made the decision all that much harder.

Not to sway you, but these are the reasons i decided on the 8350 specifically over the HD20. (listed in order of preference for me)

-V/H Lens shift
-Higher contrast reported(visibly noticeable by me in comparable screen shots) And i have seen the HD20 in action.
-It's a little brighter(as long as you stay between 1/4-3/4 zoom.)
-Decent color in its dynamic mode and very bright (~1300 lumen s tested)
-A lot Quieter (with both in brightest mode-epson is 28db Optoma is 35db)

Hope that helps some.

Several posts, maybe in this thread, have stated that the gaming experience was very good, with no perceptible lag.