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post #241 of 8634
Haha, I'm about to order one just so I can see it, lol. At this point anything 1080p is an upgrade for me.
post #242 of 8634
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Originally Posted by Samfield View Post

Art's not going to make many friends at Epson corporate with this opening line: "Mitsubishi's Home Cinema 8350 will shortly be replacing the "award winning" HC3800...

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...8350/index.php
http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc4000/

Almost the entire first 3 paragraphs are identical, except for the projector models. Not criticizing Art, just pointing out the likely reason for the review mentioning "Mitsubishi" rather than "Epson".
post #243 of 8634
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Originally Posted by dhahlen View Post

man, 8 pages and only one person has posted pics? This is ridiculous! More image shots!

I'm reading this thread a few times everyday and waiting for pics and videos but.... nothing...
post #244 of 8634
The disparity in stated lumens and actual lumens still remains problematic for me.

Don't get me wrongthe pros far outweigh the cons with the 8350. I just have a real problem with Epson stating 200 more lumens than the 8100, bragging that they use an ISO standard to measure instead of the outdated ANSI, and then shipping a PJ that actually measures a good bit LESS than the 8100.

I am replacing my Panny 900 ASAP. I was hoping to do it with the 8350. I'm fully aware that it's easy to needlessly get caught up in speeds and feeds that may not translate to much in real life applications. I just want every lumen possible for the new house and I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger on a supposed 2000 lumen PJ that only breaks 1300 in Art's review. I was hoping the 8350 would be brighter than the AE4000, 8500, 8700, etc. If I'm not going to get any more lumens from the 8350 I'm thinking I should just grab an 8500 while I still can and enjoy deeper blacks. For that matter I could grab an AE200 and probably do the same.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php
Lumen Output and Color Temp at 100 IRE (Lamp on Normal):
Dynamic= 1378 @ 6810
Living Room= 1010 @ 8717
Natural= 459 @ 6233
Cinema= 463 @ 6517
x.v.Color= 447 @ 6045
post #245 of 8634
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Originally Posted by mellamojosh View Post

The disparity in stated lumens and actual lumens still remains problematic for me.

Don't get me wrongthe pros far outweigh the cons with the 8350. I just have a real problem with Epson stating 200 more lumens than the 8100, bragging that they use an ISO standard to measure instead of the outdated ANSI, and then shipping a PJ that actually measures a good bit LESS than the 8100.

I am replacing my Panny 900 ASAP. I was hoping to do it with the 8350. I'm fully aware that it's easy to needlessly get caught up in speeds and feeds that may not translate to much in real life applications. I just want every lumen possible for the new house and I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger on a supposed 2000 lumen PJ that only breaks 1300 in Art's review. I was hoping the 8350 would be brighter than the AE4000, 8500, 8700, etc. If I'm not going to get any more lumens from the 8350 I'm thinking I should just grab an 8500 while I still can and enjoy deeper blacks. For that matter I could grab an AE200 and probably do the same.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php
Lumen Output and Color Temp at 100 IRE (Lamp on Normal):
Dynamic= 1378 @ 6810
Living Room= 1010 @ 8717
Natural= 459 @ 6233
Cinema= 463 @ 6517
x.v.Color= 447 @ 6045

I agree. When you look at the specs of the projector, it doesn't match up. Longer lamp life and brighter? Testing is proving the former may be true, but I have no idea where the "2000 lumen" upgrade comes from.
post #246 of 8634
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Originally Posted by Vao View Post

I'm reading this thread a few times everyday and waiting for pics and videos but.... nothing...

I was thinking the same thing. I did finally pull the trigger on the 8350 after reading Art's review. The past 2 reviews posted were very positive I thought!

The other thing I am interested in is that both reviews state that the presets are pretty well calibrated and not much calibration was needed. So, when I get the projector in, should I calibrate it or go with the default settings? Any of the now 8350 owners do any calibration and be willing to post their settings? I'd be curious if it would make a whole lot of difference in the picture from the presets.
post #247 of 8634
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Originally Posted by volfan23 View Post

I was thinking the same thing. I did finally pull the trigger on the 8350 after reading Art's review. The past 2 reviews posted were very positive I thought!

The other thing I am interested in is that both reviews state that the presets are pretty well calibrated and not much calibration was needed. So, when I get the projector in, should I calibrate it or go with the default settings? Any of the now 8350 owners do any calibration and be willing to post their settings? I'd be curious if it would make a whole lot of difference in the picture from the presets.

I'd be utterly amazed if any projector in this price range (and many above) didn't benefit from proper calibration. Proper being the key word. Projectors that have good color and settings out of the box, though, can be a God send for the average movie watcher.
post #248 of 8634
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Originally Posted by volfan23 View Post

I was thinking the same thing. I did finally pull the trigger on the 8350 after reading Art's review. The past 2 reviews posted were very positive I thought!

The other thing I am interested in is that both reviews state that the presets are pretty well calibrated and not much calibration was needed. So, when I get the projector in, should I calibrate it or go with the default settings? Any of the now 8350 owners do any calibration and be willing to post their settings? I'd be curious if it would make a whole lot of difference in the picture from the presets.

I calibrated my 6500UB based off of Art's calibration numbers, and it looks great...a lot better than out of the box. It all has to do with personal preference though, I tweeked a few settings after doing his calibration. It might not be as accurate, but I prefer it.
post #249 of 8634
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Originally Posted by mellamojosh View Post

The disparity in stated lumens and actual lumens still remains problematic for me.

Don't get me wrongthe pros far outweigh the cons with the 8350. I just have a real problem with Epson stating 200 more lumens than the 8100, bragging that they use an ISO standard to measure instead of the outdated ANSI, and then shipping a PJ that actually measures a good bit LESS than the 8100.

I am replacing my Panny 900 ASAP. I was hoping to do it with the 8350. I'm fully aware that it's easy to needlessly get caught up in speeds and feeds that may not translate to much in real life applications. I just want every lumen possible for the new house and I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger on a supposed 2000 lumen PJ that only breaks 1300 in Art's review. I was hoping the 8350 would be brighter than the AE4000, 8500, 8700, etc. If I'm not going to get any more lumens from the 8350 I'm thinking I should just grab an 8500 while I still can and enjoy deeper blacks. For that matter I could grab an AE200 and probably do the same.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php
Lumen Output and Color Temp at 100 IRE (Lamp on Normal):
Dynamic= 1378 @ 6810
Living Room= 1010 @ 8717
Natural= 459 @ 6233
Cinema= 463 @ 6517
x.v.Color= 447 @ 6045

I may be totally wrong on this, but this might be the case of max possible output vs calibrated output. While it may be possible, in the laboratory, to measure 2000 lumens from this projector that's not what's being outputed by the projector in any of these modes.

I suspect Epson might have done additional tweaking to the default settings for these modes in order to improve color accuracy at the expense of some light output.

I come to this conclusion partly from this line in Art's review "even unaltered dynamic mode had better color than last year's 8100". IIRC the 8100 tended towards a blue-green tint as you went from natural->living room->dynamic modes. So, my guess is they reduced the blue/green levels in living room and dynamic modes to get better colors which might have also been somewhat offset by the supposed increase in total aboslute lumens.

Of course, it could also be total marketing spewage from Espon too
post #250 of 8634
Although I'm sorta (ok, really) bummed about the lumen output, I'll still be purchasing to replace the ax200u. I'd get another ax200u, but I like the D7 panels better and want to finally get with the blu ray movement.

Those numbers above are at mid-zoom, here is differences from the article, in Dynamic Mode:

Quote:


Zoom out: 1640
Mid-zoom: 1378
Zoom in: 987

I used the ax200u in "normal" mode, which by Art's numbers produced 1388, so I'm hoping I'm going to be bright enough with the Epson 8350. If not, I'll have to re-adjust my 140" screen and mounting of the Epson, although with a cathedral ceiling, that will be most difficult.
post #251 of 8634
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Originally Posted by szitzma View Post

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...8350/index.php
http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc4000/

Almost the entire first 3 paragraphs are identical, except for the projector models. Not criticizing Art, just pointing out the likely reason for the review mentioning "Mitsubishi" rather than "Epson".

the new review is very good.
post #252 of 8634
I'll post some pics, still waiting for mine to arrive. It's 2 now and it's supposed to be end of day.
post #253 of 8634
Now that people are receiving their 8350s, is there any word on the "free bulb" promotion/rebate that was mentioned earlier with the 8350? Is this still true? Reseller specific?
post #254 of 8634
there is only free bulb for 8700, not for 8350.
post #255 of 8634
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Originally Posted by bk View Post

I may be totally wrong on this, but this might be the case of max possible output vs calibrated output. While it may be possible, in the laboratory, to measure 2000 lumens from this projector that's not what's being outputed by the projector in any of these modes.

I suspect Epson might have done additional tweaking to the default settings for these modes in order to improve color accuracy at the expense of some light output.

I come to this conclusion partly from this line in Art's review "even unaltered dynamic mode had better color than last year's 8100". IIRC the 8100 tended towards a blue-green tint as you went from natural->living room->dynamic modes. So, my guess is they reduced the blue/green levels in living room and dynamic modes to get better colors which might have also been somewhat offset by the supposed increase in total aboslute lumens.

Of course, it could also be total marketing spewage from Espon too

You make a good point. After digesting this a little more I feel somewhat better about the 8350's practical output.

About the theory...I'm still a bit pissed about Epson bragging about the integrity of the 2000 lumen output only to find out they were WAY (20%) Off. If the PJ throws a 1600 lumen image, then just tell me it throws a 1600 lumen image. A high quality 1600 lumen image is not a bad thing... so stop making crap up! They could have just kept the spec the same from the 8100.

Either way, it's super nice to arrive at the point where we can have a high quality, flexibly placed, 1600 lumen image for $1,200. When I ditched my TV for my first PJ five years ago I think my friends thought I was being eccentric. Now, they're asking me which one they should get
post #256 of 8634
Just purchased the 8350 from Mike @ projectorpeople.com

Good guy to work with, cant wait till it comes in tomorrow. Haha I payed extra for overnight shipping!!

I was about to purchase the LG cf181d, mainly for HDTV/blurays/gaming. I dont think I really needed all the bells and whistles the LG and even the 8500/8700 have.

When I heard this 8350 was a canon and I can save almost $1000 over the LG I decided to jump on this as my first projector. I have 4 hours to test it so Im not worried.

I got the sanus universal mount from them also, I will be mounting it to ceiling so I hope this is a good mount.

I
post #257 of 8634
Will I notice a major difference with this 60hz pj from lets say the 8500/8700 that is 120hz?
post #258 of 8634
Did anyone try Art's Calibrated Settings yet?
Did they improve the image much for you?
I will give them a try as soon as it gets dark here.
As Art mentioned it looks pretty good out of the box.
I'm surprised I'm the only one who put any photos up here.
I guess not many have their 8350 set up yet.
post #259 of 8634
I got my 8350 last night and found something in the menu that I did not see this in the manual, this thread, or the reviews, but I thought I'd let people know this projector can do rear projection.
post #260 of 8634
EDIT : Disregard, 6500UB refurb is not available from Visual Apex anymore.
post #261 of 8634
So, after ordering my Epson 8350 from VA 3 days ago, I was surprised to find a package sitting on my front door this morning...

The 8350 will be replacing my Optoma HD20 projector that I bought in April. The little HD20 served me well, but it had absolutely no lens shift capabilities (besides zoom and focus), which, because of my theater setup, forced me to place the projector on the ground.

Here's two side-by-side views of the Optoma HD20 (left) and Epson 8350 (right).


I was curious about the lumen output of the 8350, so I decided to do a comparison between the two projectors.

Before I being my review, let me say I am no expert when it comes to projectors. If you are trying to decide what product to buy, do not let my review sway your decision. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

Okay, now with that out of the way, let me begin.

I have a 150" projector screen with a throw distance of 19 feet, so getting a bright image is no easy task, especially in a large living room with large windows that leads into other rooms with more windows. And to make things even harder for the two projectors, it was about 2 PM at the time.

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1700 lumens). However, when I put the 8350 into it's "Living Room" setting, I was surprised to see the image brightness increase to a point where there was no comparison between the HD20 and 8350. The blacks weren't pitch black, but they definitely weren't as gray anymore. I was able to see text clearly without having to squint.

I took some before-and-after pictures to show the results, but I do not feel the pictures do either of these projectors any justice. If you want them, PM me.

Anybody have any questions or requests? I plan on watching a few movies later tonight, so I'll be able to do a little bit more testing then.
post #262 of 8634
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Originally Posted by Vauktu View Post

So, after ordering my Epson 8350 from VA 3 days ago, I was surprised to find a package sitting on my front door this morning...

The 8350 will be replacing my Optoma HD20 projector that I bought in April. The little HD20 served me well, but it had absolutely no lens shift capabilities (besides zoom and focus), which, because of my theater setup, forced me to place the projector on the ground.

Here's two side-by-side views of the Optoma HD20 (left) and Epson 8350 (right).


I was curious about the lumen output of the 8350, so I decided to do a comparison between the two projectors.

Before I being my review, let me say I am no expert when it comes to projectors. If you are trying to decide what product to buy, do not let my review sway your decision. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

Okay, now with that out of the way, let me begin.

I have a 150" projector screen with a throw distance of 19 feet, so getting a bright image is no easy task, especially in a large living room with large windows that leads into other rooms with more windows. And to make things even harder for the two projectors, it was about 2 PM at the time.

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1400 lumens). However, when I put the 8350 into it's "Living Room" setting, I was surprised to see the image brightness increase to a point where there was no comparison between the HD20 and 8350. The blacks weren't pitch black, but they definitely weren't as gray anymore. I was able to see text clearly without having to squint.

I took some before-and-after pictures to show the results, but I do not feel the pictures do either of these projectors any justice. If you want them, PM me.

Anybody have any questions or requests? I plan on watching a few movies later tonight, so I'll be able to do a little bit more testing then.

Hmmm...they look the same size to me.

Everyone here knows that screenshot pics are pretty much just for fun, so I'd say go ahead and post them. We love screenshots, even if they're totally worthless.
post #263 of 8634
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Originally Posted by Vauktu View Post

So, after ordering my Epson 8350 from VA 3 days ago, I was surprised to find a package sitting on my front door this morning...

The 8350 will be replacing my Optoma HD20 projector that I bought in April. The little HD20 served me well, but it had absolutely no lens shift capabilities (besides zoom and focus), which, because of my theater setup, forced me to place the projector on the ground.

Here's two side-by-side views of the Optoma HD20 (left) and Epson 8350 (right).


I was curious about the lumen output of the 8350, so I decided to do a comparison between the two projectors.

Before I being my review, let me say I am no expert when it comes to projectors. If you are trying to decide what product to buy, do not let my review sway your decision. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

Okay, now with that out of the way, let me begin.

I have a 150" projector screen with a throw distance of 19 feet, so getting a bright image is no easy task, especially in a large living room with large windows that leads into other rooms with more windows. And to make things even harder for the two projectors, it was about 2 PM at the time.

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1400 lumens). However, when I put the 8350 into it's "Living Room" setting, I was surprised to see the image brightness increase to a point where there was no comparison between the HD20 and 8350. The blacks weren't pitch black, but they definitely weren't as gray anymore. I was able to see text clearly without having to squint.

I took some before-and-after pictures to show the results, but I do not feel the pictures do either of these projectors any justice. If you want them, PM me.

Anybody have any questions or requests? I plan on watching a few movies later tonight, so I'll be able to do a little bit more testing then.

Thanks for posting your setup. It mirrors mine except I have less windows and my screen is 140" and made it 17' instead of the 19'. This def. eases my mind!
post #264 of 8634
another noob question....can this be placed upside down for ceiling placement ( need to hand it from the ceiling)
post #265 of 8634
I just finished plugging in Art's Calibrated Settings.
I'm using the Cinema mode settings.
I have to admit the colors look a little better.
Especially the flesh tones.
Everything looks more natural.
Thanks Art.
post #266 of 8634
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Originally Posted by vik_tx View Post

another noob question....can this be placed upside down for ceiling placement ( need to hand it from the ceiling)

Yes it can be placed upside down.
post #267 of 8634
Wow you guys place your projector far from screen. My plan was to put it from 12-14 feet away and throw it on a 100". What would be ideal as far as zoom goes?

Maybe I should just check out the throw calc
post #268 of 8634
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Vauktu View Post

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1400 lumens).

Oops!

Where are all you Fact-checkers! The HD-20 sports 1700 Lumens. I've used it a few times and if one can mount it optimally (proper Height and shortest throw Distance) it can burn a hole through a painted wall!

It performs small miracles on a 86" diagonal screen if the Throw is held to 10% of it's shortest distance.

But it's lumens drop off really quick with any increase in distance.....a trait specific to DLPs. Even so, for it's time and place in the Sun, it offered some real "Bang for the Buck"
post #269 of 8634
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Oops!

Where are all you Fact-checkers! The HD-20 sports 1700 Lumens. I've used it a few times and if one can mount it optimally (proper Height and shortest throw Distance) it can burn a hole through a painted wall!

It performs small miracles on a 86" diagonal screen if the Throw is held to 10% of it's shortest distance.

But it's lumens drop off really quick with any increase in distance.....a trait specific to DLPs. Even so, for it's time and place in the Sun, it offered some real "Bang for the Buck"

Should I mess with zoom if im throwing at 12-14' on a 100" with the 8350?

What should zoom be set at to get the most out of the Pj?
post #270 of 8634
I have mine at 10'ft throwing to a 100"
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