The Offical Epson 8350 Owners Thread - Page 9

Originally Posted by Samfield

Art's not going to make many friends at Epson corporate with this opening line: "Mitsubishi's Home Cinema 8350 will shortly be replacing the "award winning" HC3800...

Originally Posted by dhahlen

man, 8 pages and only one person has posted pics? This is ridiculous! More image shots!

Originally Posted by mellamojosh

The disparity in stated lumens and actual lumens still remains problematic for me.

Don't get me wrongthe pros far outweigh the cons with the 8350. I just have a real problem with Epson stating 200 more lumens than the 8100, bragging that they use an ISO standard to measure instead of the outdated ANSI, and then shipping a PJ that actually measures a good bit LESS than the 8100.

I am replacing my Panny 900 ASAP. I was hoping to do it with the 8350. I'm fully aware that it's easy to needlessly get caught up in speeds and feeds that may not translate to much in real life applications. I just want every lumen possible for the new house and I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger on a supposed 2000 lumen PJ that only breaks 1300 in Art's review. I was hoping the 8350 would be brighter than the AE4000, 8500, 8700, etc. If I'm not going to get any more lumens from the 8350 I'm thinking I should just grab an 8500 while I still can and enjoy deeper blacks. For that matter I could grab an AE200 and probably do the same.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php
Lumen Output and Color Temp at 100 IRE (Lamp on Normal):
Dynamic= 1378 @ 6810
Living Room= 1010 @ 8717
Natural= 459 @ 6233
Cinema= 463 @ 6517
x.v.Color= 447 @ 6045

Originally Posted by Vao

I'm reading this thread a few times everyday and waiting for pics and videos but.... nothing...

Originally Posted by volfan23

I was thinking the same thing. I did finally pull the trigger on the 8350 after reading Art's review. The past 2 reviews posted were very positive I thought!

The other thing I am interested in is that both reviews state that the presets are pretty well calibrated and not much calibration was needed. So, when I get the projector in, should I calibrate it or go with the default settings? Any of the now 8350 owners do any calibration and be willing to post their settings? I'd be curious if it would make a whole lot of difference in the picture from the presets.

Originally Posted by volfan23

I was thinking the same thing. I did finally pull the trigger on the 8350 after reading Art's review. The past 2 reviews posted were very positive I thought!

The other thing I am interested in is that both reviews state that the presets are pretty well calibrated and not much calibration was needed. So, when I get the projector in, should I calibrate it or go with the default settings? Any of the now 8350 owners do any calibration and be willing to post their settings? I'd be curious if it would make a whole lot of difference in the picture from the presets.

Originally Posted by mellamojosh

The disparity in stated lumens and actual lumens still remains problematic for me.

Don't get me wrongthe pros far outweigh the cons with the 8350. I just have a real problem with Epson stating 200 more lumens than the 8100, bragging that they use an ISO standard to measure instead of the outdated ANSI, and then shipping a PJ that actually measures a good bit LESS than the 8100.

I am replacing my Panny 900 ASAP. I was hoping to do it with the 8350. I'm fully aware that it's easy to needlessly get caught up in speeds and feeds that may not translate to much in real life applications. I just want every lumen possible for the new house and I'm finding it hard to pull the trigger on a supposed 2000 lumen PJ that only breaks 1300 in Art's review. I was hoping the 8350 would be brighter than the AE4000, 8500, 8700, etc. If I'm not going to get any more lumens from the 8350 I'm thinking I should just grab an 8500 while I still can and enjoy deeper blacks. For that matter I could grab an AE200 and probably do the same.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...erformance.php
Lumen Output and Color Temp at 100 IRE (Lamp on Normal):
Dynamic= 1378 @ 6810
Living Room= 1010 @ 8717
Natural= 459 @ 6233
Cinema= 463 @ 6517
x.v.Color= 447 @ 6045

Zoom out: 1640
Mid-zoom: 1378
Zoom in: 987

Originally Posted by szitzma

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...8350/index.php
http://www.projectorreviews.com/mitsubishi/hc4000/

Almost the entire first 3 paragraphs are identical, except for the projector models. Not criticizing Art, just pointing out the likely reason for the review mentioning "Mitsubishi" rather than "Epson".

Originally Posted by bk

I may be totally wrong on this, but this might be the case of max possible output vs calibrated output. While it may be possible, in the laboratory, to measure 2000 lumens from this projector that's not what's being outputed by the projector in any of these modes.

I suspect Epson might have done additional tweaking to the default settings for these modes in order to improve color accuracy at the expense of some light output.

I come to this conclusion partly from this line in Art's review "even unaltered dynamic mode had better color than last year's 8100". IIRC the 8100 tended towards a blue-green tint as you went from natural->living room->dynamic modes. So, my guess is they reduced the blue/green levels in living room and dynamic modes to get better colors which might have also been somewhat offset by the supposed increase in total aboslute lumens.

Of course, it could also be total marketing spewage from Espon too

Originally Posted by Vauktu

So, after ordering my Epson 8350 from VA 3 days ago, I was surprised to find a package sitting on my front door this morning...

The 8350 will be replacing my Optoma HD20 projector that I bought in April. The little HD20 served me well, but it had absolutely no lens shift capabilities (besides zoom and focus), which, because of my theater setup, forced me to place the projector on the ground.

Here's two side-by-side views of the Optoma HD20 (left) and Epson 8350 (right).


I was curious about the lumen output of the 8350, so I decided to do a comparison between the two projectors.

Before I being my review, let me say I am no expert when it comes to projectors. If you are trying to decide what product to buy, do not let my review sway your decision. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

Okay, now with that out of the way, let me begin.

I have a 150" projector screen with a throw distance of 19 feet, so getting a bright image is no easy task, especially in a large living room with large windows that leads into other rooms with more windows. And to make things even harder for the two projectors, it was about 2 PM at the time.

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1400 lumens). However, when I put the 8350 into it's "Living Room" setting, I was surprised to see the image brightness increase to a point where there was no comparison between the HD20 and 8350. The blacks weren't pitch black, but they definitely weren't as gray anymore. I was able to see text clearly without having to squint.

I took some before-and-after pictures to show the results, but I do not feel the pictures do either of these projectors any justice. If you want them, PM me.

Anybody have any questions or requests? I plan on watching a few movies later tonight, so I'll be able to do a little bit more testing then.

Originally Posted by Vauktu

So, after ordering my Epson 8350 from VA 3 days ago, I was surprised to find a package sitting on my front door this morning...

The 8350 will be replacing my Optoma HD20 projector that I bought in April. The little HD20 served me well, but it had absolutely no lens shift capabilities (besides zoom and focus), which, because of my theater setup, forced me to place the projector on the ground.

Here's two side-by-side views of the Optoma HD20 (left) and Epson 8350 (right).


I was curious about the lumen output of the 8350, so I decided to do a comparison between the two projectors.

Before I being my review, let me say I am no expert when it comes to projectors. If you are trying to decide what product to buy, do not let my review sway your decision. Take what I say with a grain of salt.

Okay, now with that out of the way, let me begin.

I have a 150" projector screen with a throw distance of 19 feet, so getting a bright image is no easy task, especially in a large living room with large windows that leads into other rooms with more windows. And to make things even harder for the two projectors, it was about 2 PM at the time.

With the 8350's default settings, it was capable of producing a slightly brighter image than the HD20 (which has 1400 lumens). However, when I put the 8350 into it's "Living Room" setting, I was surprised to see the image brightness increase to a point where there was no comparison between the HD20 and 8350. The blacks weren't pitch black, but they definitely weren't as gray anymore. I was able to see text clearly without having to squint.

I took some before-and-after pictures to show the results, but I do not feel the pictures do either of these projectors any justice. If you want them, PM me.

Anybody have any questions or requests? I plan on watching a few movies later tonight, so I'll be able to do a little bit more testing then.

Originally Posted by vik_tx

another noob question....can this be placed upside down for ceiling placement ( need to hand it from the ceiling)

Originally Posted by MississippiMan

Oops!

Where are all you Fact-checkers! The HD-20 sports 1700 Lumens. I've used it a few times and if one can mount it optimally (proper Height and shortest throw Distance) it can burn a hole through a painted wall!

It performs small miracles on a 86" diagonal screen if the Throw is held to 10% of it's shortest distance.

But it's lumens drop off really quick with any increase in distance.....a trait specific to DLPs. Even so, for it's time and place in the Sun, it offered some real "Bang for the Buck"