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post #3721 of 8163
here is the angle shot coming into the small HT room that is a 1080p trailer to cowboys and Aliens, love this pjay!!!!!

By spinster23 at 2011-03-07
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Originally Posted by SpinsterSXRD View Post

here is the angle shot coming into the small HT room that is a 1080p trailer to cowboys and Aliens, love this pjay!!!!!

By spinster23 at 2011-03-07

Looks good, I can't wait to get mine fired up. It has been sitting in my office for a month waiting for the theatre in the basement to be done!
Laying tile and getting carpet installed in the next couple weeks, can't wait.
What screen are you using?
post #3723 of 8163
A shot from tonight watching TRON at 122" on my apartment wall. The Dude!
LL
post #3724 of 8163
Can anyone say how the 8350 is on SD movies I have over 200 & don't want to replace them all.
post #3725 of 8163
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Originally Posted by mech27 View Post

Can anyone say how the 8350 is on SD movies I have over 200 & don't want to replace them all.

they will look as good as they can
post #3726 of 8163
I don't know if this question has been answered, but I can't search on "x.v.Color", the search returns only "color", so I get thousands of hits.

What is the significance of x.v.Color mode? Cinema mode seems to be more accurate, and x.v.Color has no adjustments in the menu. I have found no explanation in Art's review either, he calibrates in Cinema mode.
post #3727 of 8163
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Originally Posted by gsmollin View Post

I don't know if this question has been answered, but I can't search on "x.v.Color", the search returns only "color", so I get thousands of hits.

You can search like this.
It's also known as XvYCC.
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Originally Posted by pacemaker View Post

they will look as good as they can

Actually I have found that SD material looks better on my 2005 projector than any of my newer projectors.
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Originally Posted by Bdex75 View Post

Looks good, I can't wait to get mine fired up. It has been sitting in my office for a month waiting for the theatre in the basement to be done!
Laying tile and getting carpet installed in the next couple weeks, can't wait.
What screen are you using?

Elite manual pull down screen 100" works great for a $99 screen
post #3730 of 8163
What is the best setting to set my camera to take a good movie screenshot? Encase you are interested I have a Sony DSC-TX9. Do I need to pause the picture? Just looking for tips.
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Originally Posted by bjmsam View Post

You can search like this.
It's also known as XvYCC.

Great info, but a more important question ... With a PS3 and blu rays will it give me better results (in theory)/ is it preferred to cinema mode with appropriate hardware and video sources?
post #3732 of 8163
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

Great info, but a more important question ... With a PS3 and blu rays will it give me better results (in theory)/ is it preferred to cinema mode with appropriate hardware and video sources?

From the links I posted:

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Originally Posted by wiki_page View Post

xvYCC is not supported by DVD-Video or Blu-ray, but is supported by the high-definition recording format AVCHD and PlayStation 3.

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Originally Posted by eliwankenobi View Post

Not really for movies, the x.v. color is for extended color gamut and there are no movies mastered with that yet (that I know off). Maybe a ps3 game here and there, but I haven't seen one yet that says in the manual that it uses the extended color gamut.
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Originally Posted by forkdeath View Post

What is the best setting to set my camera to take a good movie screenshot? Encase you are interested I have a Sony DSC-TX9. Do I need to pause the picture? Just looking for tips.

You need to set the ISO between 80-200, you need to pause the picture, do not use flash, and if you have very steady hands use your hands but it is recommended to place the camera on a tripod or on top of something flat and stable and use the timer to take the picture. All my shots are with my steady hand, but I will try my little table top tripod and prop the camera up on a box sitting in the center home theater chair to see how it come out
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Originally Posted by darealgerk View Post

Great info, but a more important question ... With a PS3 and blu rays will it give me better results (in theory)/ is it preferred to cinema mode with appropriate hardware and video sources?

As far as I can make out, this setting seems to be as close to an ISF calibration out of the box as humanely possible. Paired with my PS3, just about everything seems to be dialed in for watching blurays. I prefer cinema mode myself though, as I like tweeking things a bit for my own viewing preferences...
post #3735 of 8163
okay this is the wall mount I use for everyone who wants to know, they do sell it at Target around $26.00, all you would need to get is a shelf from Lowes or Home depot. (I used a metal center channel shelf from omnimount used to hold up the center channel for rear projected TV's Like my Sony SXRD 60" that I sold to get the Epson). fairly in expensive and works great, see my posted pics a few posts back. Again not for everyone only the new Pjay owners that want to wall mount, unless the ceiling mount guys want to change their minds
PS it does have 4 sections of wire cover that go below to hide most of the wires, I just didn't put mine on as I got excited after mounting it and left it at that since I am moving to a bigger place would have taken it down anyway.

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Originally Posted by ravenlocke View Post


As far as I can make out, this setting seems to be as close to an ISF calibration out of the box as humanely possible. Paired with my PS3, just about everything seems to be dialed in for watching blurays. I prefer cinema mode myself though, as I like tweeking things a bit for my own viewing preferences...

Thanks for the replies. I like tweaking too, but with my reference screen very little was needed. Out of the box was really really close to spot on for me aside from the gamma.
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Hi everybody.
As a brand new owner of a 3200 (8350) I like to say thanks for all the info provided in this forum.
I had some major problems getting the black out of my shadows.
It took me 2 days to figure things out how to optimize the Epson EH-TW3200.
As usual when I do something like that, I start a blog to collect all the info in one place.
The problem with posting crucial info in a forum is it gets scrambled over several pages and mostly easily lost.
So if anybody is interested, have a look at the Epson EH-TW3200 insider blog
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Thanks bjmsam, Googling xvYcc gave me the info on x.v.Color.

The short story is that this is a video specification with a larger color gamut than used in cinema, and an encoding scheme that is not compatible with DVD and BD, and also much other HT hardware. You would need equipment compatible with HDMI 1.3 to use it. The most probable near-term uses are on video game consoles (PS3) and some computer graphics cards, and some camcorders. Otherwise it will clip your dynamic range.
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i have a infocus 7205 that needs to be replaced in the next week or two. I have had this for several years shooting on a 82" Stewart Firehawk, but starting to have lots of problems with projector. Was thinking of just going to a 65 inch lcd or Sharps new 70, but after looking at surthe 65 today I'm not sure I can give up all those inches. My question is can I purchase from a big box store or any advertisers on here and return within 10-15 days or a few hours of watching without penalty if not happy? I have no problem with paying shipping. Worried more about dlp to lcd, brightness, etc.
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I would like to replace my Sanyo Z3 with the 8350 but I don't want to run HDMI yet and buy a new AVR. How does this thing do with component? Are there tweak setting for it with both component and HDMI? Forgive me if this was covered but the thread is huge. Thanks.
I am amazed that the price of these things keeps dropping. They are like gas BBQ's. They self destruct because of the heat they generate. My Sanyo is becoming a blue haze machine.
Cheers all,
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What do you guys think of an 8350 combined with this "silver" screen:
http://www.eastporters.com/estore/ca...category_id=41

Theatre room will have complete light control.
post #3742 of 8163
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Originally Posted by mech27 View Post
Can anyone say how the 8350 is on SD movies I have over 200 & don't want to replace them all.
As long as you have a good upconverter or blu-ray player, you should be fine but don't expect HD PQ.
The larger the screen, the more short comings of SD that will be noticed when compared to HD content.
post #3743 of 8163
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Originally Posted by jacampbell View Post
I would like to replace my Sanyo Z3 with the 8350 but I don't want to run HDMI yet and buy a new AVR. How does this thing do with component? Are there tweak setting for it with both component and HDMI? Forgive me if this was covered but the thread is huge. Thanks.
I am amazed that the price of these things keeps dropping. They are like gas BBQ's. They self destruct because of the heat they generate. My Sanyo is becoming a blue haze machine.
Cheers all,
1. Component will usually look softer(not as sharp/crisp) than HDMI but you'll get HD PQ (I believe you might be limited to 720p).
2. No separate tweak for componet and HDMI but you can store presets.
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I'm pretty sure component goes up to 1080i, but you can't upconvert over component cables. You would need HDMI for that.

On a side note, I know you said you don't want to run HDMI and get a new receiver - BUT... you could run the HDMI, and go HDMI out from your Blu-ray player to the projector, and go optical to your receiver. You wouldn't have to do both at the same time. You could keep your other devices (cable, whatever) going through the receiver to the projector via component. Again, I know you said you don't want to run HDMI, but you could get a 25' HDMI cable from monoprice for under $25 shipped, so that COULD be worth it, even for a surface mount of the cable...


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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post
1. Component will usually look softer(not as sharp/crisp) than HDMI but you'll get HD PQ (I believe you might be limited to 720p).
2. No separate tweak for componet and HDMI but you can store presets.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by zyad View Post

What do you guys think of an 8350 combined with this "silver" screen:
http://www.eastporters.com/estore/ca...category_id=41

Theatre room will have complete light control.


The "Build" seems pretty well done...and the Trim seems to be of excellent quality.

However there are a couple Red Flags.

# 1.4-gain, 3-ply Perlux-Silver material for ultimate home theater use
# Superior color accuracy, high contrast and reduced hot-spotting

Reduced Hot-spotting? That doesn't sound so good, especially with a 8350's lumen output.
If you place the 8350 about as close to the screen as you possibly can and still Zoom out to fill the 128" screen surface, and use "low lamp" mode, you can help to mitigate hot-spotting to a degree. But really...starting out at a disadvantage and then trying to adjust to compensate is never an easy or advisable thing to consider...unless one simply has to do so.

High Contrast? Unless the Screen's color is a Gray that works to attenuate black levels, with 1.4 gain, the only outcome will be to "reduce" contrast...not even "maintain' existing contrast performance. The "Silver" can / could help...but the main emphasis of that screen is the pearlescent finish and the gain such provides. Had they made the Screen significantly darker via the addition of more silver and/or a "Gray-ing" additive, the claim of "Increased Contrast' could have been made...and even perhaps validated.

All things considered, the listed price on the Link is a good one for a Fixed Screen of any quality...and the example shown seems to fit that description. Sales hype notwithstanding. But be prepared to adjust your PJ placement and calibrated values to get anything close to ideally suited image quality.
post #3746 of 8163
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

The "Build" seems pretty well done...and the Trim seems to be of excellent quality.

However there are a couple Red Flags.

# 1.4-gain, 3-ply Perlux-Silver material for ultimate home theater use
# Superior color accuracy, high contrast and reduced hot-spotting

Reduced Hot-spotting? That doesn't sound so good, especially with a 8350's lumen output.
If you place the 8350 about as close to the screen as you possibly can and still Zoom out to fill the 128" screen surface, and use "low lamp" mode, you can help to mitigate hot-spotting to a degree. But really...starting out at a disadvantage and then trying to adjust to compensate is never an easy or advisable thing to consider...unless one simply has to do so.

High Contrast? Unless the Screen's color is a Gray that works to attenuate black levels, with 1.4 gain, the only outcome will be to "reduce" contrast...not even "maintain' existing contrast performance. The "Silver" can / could help...but the main emphasis of that screen is the pearlescent finish and the gain such provides. Had they made the Screen significantly darker via the addition of more silver and/or a "Gray-ing" additive, the claim of "Increased Contrast' could have been made...and even perhaps validated.

All things considered, the listed price on the Link is a good one for a Fixed Screen of any quality...and the example shown seems to fit that description. Sales hype notwithstanding. But be prepared to adjust your PJ placement and calibrated values to get anything close to ideally suited image quality.

Thank you very much for the reply.
I have ordered from this supplier in the past, and I know their build quality already (pretty good).
The reason I want advice, is because I'm not familiar with how this projector would perform with 1.4 Gain value, and more importantly, I have zero experince with "Silver" screens. I know what to expect from white ones (bright, but contrast suffers), and grey (good contrast, but not a bright).
I am planning on calling the supplier for advice (apparently they have been pretty helpful to buyers who ask for advice on projector/screen combinations).

Aside from Marketing hype, I see they claim: "Better color representation than the Elara White material, along with better contrast than the Elara Gray material means no performance compromise or tradeoffs".
Here they are comparing the performance to their own Elara lines of white and grey screens (the base models, not the "Reference" line), which is what caught my attention in the first place.
What do you think of that claim?
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I have a dedicated theater room that is 16'x14.5' with 12' ceilings. I am thinking of a 120" screen mounted 3' up off the floor, which would put the top of the screen at about 8' on the wall.

My main question - how much do I need to drop the projector from the ceiling? Does the 8350 have enough lens shift to flush mount it on the 12' ceiling? The PJ will be about 14' away from the screen wall.

I plan on trying it on the bare wall before buying a screen, but some help on the projector mount I need is appreciated!

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by Electron Mike View Post

I have a dedicated theater room that is 16'x14.5' with 12' ceilings. I am thinking of a 120" screen mounted 3' up off the floor, which would put the top of the screen at about 8' on the wall.

My main question - how much do I need to drop the projector from the ceiling? Does the 8350 have enough lens shift to flush mount it on the 12' ceiling? The PJ will be about 14' away from the screen wall.

I plan on trying it on the bare wall before buying a screen, but some help on the projector mount I need is appreciated!

Thanks!

The 8350 has a vertical lens shift of 96.3 percent. So it will slide up or down 96.3 percent of the height of your screen. Suspending the projector upside down will let you take full advantage of the ability to compensate vertically if mounting above the top of the screen. A 120" 16:9 diagonal screen will be 59" in height, so figure nearly that amount of shift.
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about to pull the trigger on the 8350...

I need help deciding on mount and screen color.

Its for a finished basement which would be mainly used for movie watching and watching tv usually without much light (can be bairly any if not zero if wanted).

The ceilings are 10 feet high and white.
Walls Beige.
Throw is 14 feet if wall mounted.
Throw 12 feet at best if ceiling mounted (due to lower ceiling beyond that for conceiled duct which I dont think could be mounted to)

I wanted to keep the budget down on the screen.
I can get a Elite Ezframe White 1.1 gain 100" screen for around $250 and wondered if I should go with this or get a grey colored/different brand screen if this isnt that great of a choice.

Also, would it be best to wall mount or ceiling mount the projector in my situation?

And if ceiling mount is the best option what is a good cost efficient ceiling mount for this projector?
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First time projector user and would like to get some guidance on projector placement option. My room will be 30' long, 12' 6" wide and ~ 6' 10" tall. Thinking about doing 135" diagonal 2.35 screen using Seymour AV AT DIY screen and masking for 16:9 material. Have couple of questions:

1) Should I place the projector from the screen for 2.35 material which comes out to be around 19' from screen (projectorcentral calculator) or mount it for 16:9 screen and zoom out? Not sure which is better zoom in or out from PQ perspective.

2) is 11fL good for a room with one small window (1' x 2') which will be covered to minimize light or should I get a smaller screen.

TIA
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