The Offical Epson 8350 Owners Thread - Page 149

Желаю вам удачной конвергенции .
I wish you successful convergence .

Sir I applaud anyone that can speak more then one language. I most certainly can not. But I think I may give you the nickname of Yoda!

I am only kidding of course.

or

Kidding I am

Yes there will arrive with me force!
Kidding I am

That would make sense. It could of been a style applied in post. Anyway after reading the posts on Super White and HDMI range etc. I was able to get more of a black picture out it. I also ran the THX optimizer off of the Star Wars disc and saw some gains there as well.

Oh and as far as languages, I speak two, my secondary is English, the primary is gibberish, or whatever happens on a Friday night after about 6 beers

Cheers!

He actually said 5 projectors, but 4 were in the home cinema line like the 8350. I assumed the 5th was a business projector so I just said approx 4. At this early stage, his info wasn't complete or completely set in stone.

I was supposed to get the 8350 when it came out, but a couple of bills took priority. I just got myself thinking if I waited this long, maybe I could wait it out and start with the new one while it was fresh.

I am driving my wife crazy.

I have had my 8350 mounted and in use for a few days now, and I have found nothing that bothers me (or anyone else in the family) in any way. I have also had a few people stop over for a movie or two, and all were "very" impressed by the picture quality.

I ran the THX optimizer today and the picture looks even better (although I don't have a screen up yet).....I just wanted to test it anyway.

I mounted the projector at 15' 4"......ceiling mount, and I'm going to go with a 120" screen. (I'm glad I waited on the screen now as I was going to order 110" model with the projector).

This projector is badass. you're welcome America. Get it!

Can anyone suggest a ceiling mount for the 8350? Need about an 8" extension from the ceiling. Preferably under $100 and not hideous looking.

Peerless ppa is what I use but it's about 12" min 17max I think. Premier mounts has a few and one that is around 8", check their site. I have an older one from them, solid mount, max ext is 13"

hey,

I ordered this for ceiling mount

link

it has 8" extension.

and this for wall mount:

link

still not sure where to mount as I will probably go for double PJ setup with Acer H5360BD for 3D once it is available.

Hi All..
I've been lurking for 3 weeks on this thread waiting for my 8350 to arrive, replacing a very well used Powerlite 10+ (don't laugh, it was not that bad!) Needless to say I'm very impressed with the new picture, although the blacks are a little less than what I expected..but it's not calibrated yet.

My questions: the PJ was very quiet UNTIL I set up both my BR and DCT to output 1080p/i respectively..the projector then got much louder (although still pretty quiet..) Why is that? I sure liked the noise level before (I had them set for 480 before....lol)

Watched Alice In Wonderland on it last night...very cool...but it I think I would benefit from outputting at 1080p @ 24hz, as movement seems blurry-ish..but I am running component to the PJ, is this possible?

Any tips right of the bat would be great. I'm going to try calibrating with Disney WOW this weekend..

Thanks for reading, and the great forum!

Switching source/input or RGB/Component might be switching your color mode and your bulb mode. Check the bulb and color settings and you'll see it's changed everything.

As for movement, ensure you're using 24hz and that your 2:2 pulldown is enabled.

On the new Blu Ray of The Incredibles you can find a new THX optimizer, with new contrast and brightness calibration tools. After using these, I confirmed that Super White is useless, unless you want to limit the range of your new Epson PJ (not recommended). Also expand your HDMI range to Expanded for the full range of tones from super bright, whiter than white to super dark, darker than black. Then, calibrate. I'm finding that post calibration, I have an amazing picture that rivals the gold standard set by plasmas. Notice I said "rivals" not "equals, as nothing equals the dark blacks of a high end plasma, but to these eyes, you would have to spend double to get close and for me, it is not worth it. Watched Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps recently and was blown away. Also, I saw Thor in the theaters recently and looked at how grey many dark areas were in dark scenes. I think the reason for this is the reflected ambient light coming from the screen itself. With this PJ, when the screen goes totally dark and you have Iris set to On, you almost get near perfect darkness. This also assumes next to zero ambient light in a tightly controlled dark room. Not a deal breaker given all the other qualities of this PJ.

I could be wrong, but is component capable of outputting 1080p?? I don't think it is. Double check by going to Signal tab and looking at what the PJ is actually receiving. I thought 1080i was the top end of the component cable spectrum. If I am right, and your eyes will thank you for it when playing Blu Ray discs, invest in an HDMI cable from Monocables.

thanks for the replies.
My BDP is a Sony bdp-570, and I dont think it will let me output 1080p @24hz via component..I'll have to check that..Plus I may be wrong but I believe on the PJ the 2:2 was also greyed out? Is this all because Im not running HDMI? I may have to bite the bullet and run a 35' HDMI to it, but the room looks too good to have a visible wire running around one side of it! And renos are a few months away (okay a year!)

Not that I want to go looking for problems, but I'm very curious about my convergence...will check that tonight.

If you don't mind, can you post your image settings?

I just can not get black when I use HDMI Enhanced.
You can also tell immediately when switching from Super White to HDMI Enhanced the screen gets brighter like the brightness level has been raised.
This new brightness level also can not be turned down much adjusting the Brightness or Contract settings.

This is what confuses me when people report they get better blacks using HDMI Enhanced.
Yes, the shadow detail in very dark scenes are visible but at the cost of making black a grayish color, washed out.

It would be curious to see if using your image settings yeilds better blacks using HDMI Enhanced over Super White.
Perhaps you've hit some perfect setting that needs to be shared.

Sir ,can I use this projector outside the U.S ? would it normally work in PAL countries ? it's a lot cheaper than Europe ..

Thanks,

To get better blacks with HDMI enhanced, you have to set your bluray player to the same setting for output. For instance, my PS3 is set to Hdmi Full. I have had great results with it as well, and I am constantly tinkering around for better settings...

What HDMI range and SuperWhite does may vary depending on what player you are using and anything else in the HDMI chain. I can tell you that Superwhite on the projector is not useless....for my setup I calibrated using Spears and Munsil. With Superwhite on, there is no clipping. With it off, there is some clipping in the high range of white....definitely visible in things like cloud detail.

Last night, I went through EVERY combination of setting on the PS3 and projector, and here is what I found for my setup:

- On the PS3: Superwhite MUST be on or you will not pass BTB or WTW....in fact if it is off, it is almost impossible to bring the signal out of clipping and black crush.

- On the PS3 Setting the HDMI range to Full versus limited had no effect. I think in the PS3's case, it will only affect RGB output, and BD is Ycbcr. Games and the XMB are RGB and may look darker without recalibrating for RGB FULL output. You can select RGB output in the video setting of the PS3. Doing this is not a good idea.

- On the PJ super white brings the signal out of clipping. You will not see the BTB bar on test patterns because it forces the HDMI NORMAL mode.

- On the PJ, switching to the Extended HDMI mode WILL allow BTB to be passed. IN my case, I needed to knock brightness down about 9 clicks to get the brightness correct. Contrast also needs to be adjusted

I switched back and forth between two saved settings on the PJ. One with Super White on (HDMI NORMAL) and the other with HDMI Extended on. The PS3 was set to HDMI limited and superwhite ON. All other video settings were the same, except for brightness and contrast which needed to be calibrated for each mode. I found very little difference, save what I have seen before, which is that using Extended still tends to look a bit washed out during dark scenes. Even with brightness and contrast calibrated for that mode.

Note the I left the IRIS on while calibrating to prevent the loss of shadow detail that could occur if you set brightness with the IRIS off. That way, you are seeing the level of black more like it will be during a dark scene during real viewing.

I am guessing that different players may behave differently, and probably have settings of their own that are accounting for the differences people are having in what settings to use.

I'm pretty sure "Limited" will compress 0-255 -> 16-235. I would have to double check though. If your TV (and the 8350 does) support full, you should set it to full.

From what I understand video levels are 16-235, PC levels are 0-255. If the expansion done by the player is done incorrectly, or the player and display don't handshake properly, then it will "map" the ranges incorrectly.

No, curlyjive was right. On the PS3 Full vs Limited has no effect on YCbCr output (which is what you want to use for BDs). It only affects RGB output (games and the XMB menu), and you should use Limited otherwise you'll have different black levels for games and BD movies.

Selecting Full on the display end is good so that you can see BTB and WTW when calibrating (and the PS3 does output BTB and WTW from BDs in YCbCr mode with SuperWhite on).

Guys thanks for the ps3 info, I have a few things to try now....if I can find the time...darn job!

Yes. This PJ will work in the Europe.
EPSON 8350 full analogue EPSON TW3600.

You asked me?

You probably have a mismatch between source and display. Source must be set to output 0-255 for enhanced to look right. If you have a calibration disk or a disk with a THX optimizer in the menu such as "The Incredibles", you can verify display of "blacker than black". Since Blu-ray content is 16-235 anyway, it should not make a discernible difference if you don't display "blacker than black".

Once you have the proper match, either 16-235 or 0-255, then try Super White and see if it looks better to you. I find it crushes blacks a bit in some scenes, but more than makes up for it with better color and an overall richer look.

I wasn't questioning that part. It was the statement that Full vs Limited has no effect in general.

I searched the forum not too long ago for any information regarding running your projector outdoors, to no avail. Has anyone tried the 8350 in the outdoor environment? I've been experimenting (As you can see in the attachments), & it's the greatest thing in the world! Talk about home theater! I'm just amazed at the quality the 8350 was able to display, despite projecting on my garage. Aside from the dark area above the garage (Due to the brick on the house), I am blown away by the quality nonetheless. My wife worries due to neighbors driving by & stopping when they see movies on the front of the house lol! If there's anyone who's used their pj outdoors, are there any precautions I might need to take, as far as protecting the pj from certain debris & insects running rampant? Or any suggestions on improving the quality, by any chance (My screen is mounted in the house, of course). Thanks, & I apologize for the picture quality. My iPhone 4 camera doesn't do too well at night lol.

The only way that I meant it had no affect was in running Ycbcr in FULL out of the PS3. Running the PJ in Expanded WILL pass BTB, but I am not sure if it is expanding the signal correctly.

Tried this lastnight.
Panasonic BD65 player has a setting for Normal or Enhanced HDMI output.
Anytime I switch to HDMI Enhanced on the Epson, the only thing it appears to do is increase the Brightness.
I can get the same results using HDMI Normal and Super White by increasing my Brightness to 10, which washes out the picture.
I keep my Brightness at 1 with Super White and Contrast at 0.

For my setup, Super White outputs a better Contrast Ratio, better blacks and richer color than HDMI Enhanced.

From what I can tell, HDMI Enhanced appears to be a Brightness booster for those who use their projector in the living room and want more Brightness on top of the Dynamic Mode and Super White is use for light controlled rooms to enhance the Contrast Ratio.