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post #5551 of 8103
I've heard of Art's calibration settings for the 8350, which I tried. They can be found here: http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...alibration.php However, when using this in cinema mode the colors look very bland and weak to me. Do others see the colors as weak and perhaps too saturated or is it just my projector?
post #5552 of 8103
Using someone's calibrations settings is a little bit weird - unless you have the exact same screen and lighting conditions, it's going to be a totally different result. It may be a decent starting point... but...
post #5553 of 8103
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Using someone's calibrations settings is a little bit weird - unless you have the exact same screen and lighting conditions, it's going to be a totally different result. It may be a decent starting point... but...

Seconded, the calibration needs to be tailored to the context.
post #5554 of 8103
Looking at replacing an Optoma HD70 with the Epson. My current ceiling mount is about 14.5 feet from wall and projects approx 100 inches across.

Can anyone tell me if I'll have any problem if I use the same mounting? I understand I'll need different mounting hardware but I want to be able to use the same holes in the studs, etc. Will I be able to get it to fill out the screen I have painted & trimmed on the wall at same distance?

Thnx
post #5555 of 8103
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Originally Posted by ncmountie1 View Post

Looking at replacing an Optoma HD70 with the Epson. My current ceiling mount is about 14.5 feet from wall and projects approx 100 inches across.

Can anyone tell me if I'll have any problem if I use the same mounting? I understand I'll need different mounting hardware but I want to be able to use the same holes in the studs, etc. Will I be able to get it to fill out the screen I have painted & trimmed on the wall at same distance?

Thnx

Yes. You'll be somewhere in the middle of the projector's zoom range.

http://www.epson.com/alf_upload/land...ce-calculator/
post #5556 of 8103
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Yes. You'll be somewhere in the middle of the projector's zoom range.

http://www.epson.com/alf_upload/land...ce-calculator/

Thank you!

I have an NPL Mount now and have had good luck with it. I am looking at this model for Epson
http://www.mountdirect.com/Projector...ries_p/npl.htm

My current projector doesn't have an extension rod. Based on this calculator I'm trying to figure if I should have one?
post #5557 of 8103
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Originally Posted by ncmountie1 View Post

Thank you!

I have an NPL Mount now and have had good luck with it. I am looking at this model for Epson
http://www.mountdirect.com/Projector...ries_p/npl.htm

My current projector doesn't have an extension rod. Based on this calculator I'm trying to figure if I should have one?

Use the nice Calculator over at Epson.com.

While the Optima DLP used electronic Keystoning, the Epson uses mechanical Lens-Shift. I've found the Epson 8350 to be more forgiving as to placement than the Optima. It seems to be the tech. used (DLP vs 3LCD).
post #5558 of 8103
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Originally Posted by tommyv2 View Post

Using someone's calibrations settings is a little bit weird - unless you have the exact same screen and lighting conditions, it's going to be a totally different result. It may be a decent starting point... but...

I totally agree; spring for Disney's WOW calibration BD and you'll never look back.
post #5559 of 8103
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Originally Posted by videonut View Post

I totally agree; spring for Disney's WOW calibration BD and you'll never look back.

Thanks! I'll certainly buy this and give it a try.
post #5560 of 8103
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post


Here's a useful thread (TW3200 - Same as 8350): http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...l#post13648788

Thanks! Much appriciated.
post #5561 of 8103
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Originally Posted by JP View Post

I've heard of Art's calibration settings for the 8350, which I tried. They can be found here: http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...alibration.php However, when using this in cinema mode the colors look very bland and weak to me. Do others see the colors as weak and perhaps too saturated or is it just my projector?

Thanks, I will check this out!
post #5562 of 8103
Which disc do you believe is better for calibrating the 8350? The Disney WOW or the spears and Munsil? Why?
post #5563 of 8103
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

Which disc do you believe is better for calibrating the 8350? The Disney WOW or the spears and Munsil? Why?

Why not download these for free? Plenty of patterns to keep you busy.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post12373254
post #5564 of 8103
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Originally Posted by Tesla1856 View Post

I just switched my HTPC from on-board ATI 3200 to dedicated nVidia 8600 PCIe. If I accidentally turn off the Onkyo amp and then back on, I'm getting "No Signal" at the amp ... I don't remember it ever doing that with the ATI (and it really bothers me). The only way to get the PC video signal back is to reboot or Sleep/Wake the HTPC.

I just bought a dedicated AMD 5670 PCIe to try ... I think it might be an nVidia problem.

I'm using DVI port on PC, to DVI-HDMI adapter, HDMI cable to Onkyo, 4x2 switch, onto displays (8350 and plasma). SPDIF Optical HTPC sound to Onkyo.

Yes, it was the nVidia card and/or nVidia drivers causing the "No Signal" at amp (after AVR power-cycle). The new dedicated ATI-AMD 5670 works great and similar to how the on-board ATI 3200 works. The ATI-AMD cards/drivers are constantly monitoring the presence of a monitor, and react as needed (and keeps Windows informed).
post #5565 of 8103
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

Which disc do you believe is better for calibrating the 8350? The Disney WOW or the spears and Munsil? Why?

IMO, the Disney WOW disk is superior to the Spears and Munsil disc in terms of consumer friendliness. The test patterns are all set up just right and there are detailed explanations on what your adjusting and why. There are separate levels for the novice or the professional with calibration tools on hand. Both audio and video are addressed in order to reach their full potential.

I realize some may find the disc somewhat expensive, but it's ease of use makes it worth the money in the long run, trust me.



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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

Why not download these for free? Plenty of patterns to keep you busy.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post12373254


That's just it, some of us rather stay busy by enjoying movies instead of watching endless test patterns. I've yet to see any test pattern that's capable of rooting out speaker vibrations or helping to adjust individual speaker levels.
post #5566 of 8103
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Originally Posted by videonut View Post

That's just it, some of us rather stay busy by enjoying movies instead of watching endless test patterns. I've yet to see any test pattern that's capable of rooting out speaker vibrations or helping to adjust individual speaker levels.

He was responding to a post asking about a calibration disc specifically in regards to the 8350. Last I checked, the 8350 did not have any speakers for which you could adjust the levels.
post #5567 of 8103
I know a fair amount of you have sent units back to epson under warranty. Could some of you expand on your experiences?
I'm wondering if you have any trouble with the warranty if you're not the original purchaser? like if it was a gift or anything like that?
have any of you had issues where epson can't identify the problem you complained about after you send it in? it says in the manual you'll have to pay for all costs incurred if thats the case.

any other general experiences or comments would be appreciated
post #5568 of 8103
Anybody else getting periodic video drops (No Signal displayed) followed by what appears to be an HDMI renegotiation?
post #5569 of 8103
yes, I swapped an hdmi cord in my setup and haven't seen the problem since. It is entirely possible I have the same problem as you and the cord is a mere coincidence. It was an intermittent issue when I experienced it before, it was hard to duplicate with any regularity. No obvious link to a resolution change, source change, particular input etc. etc.
post #5570 of 8103
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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

Anybody else getting periodic video drops (No Signal displayed) followed by what appears to be an HDMI renegotiation?

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Originally Posted by mcnizzel View Post

yes, I swapped an hdmi cord in my setup and haven't seen the problem since. It is entirely possible I have the same problem as you and the cord is a mere coincidence. It was an intermittent issue when I experienced it before, it was hard to duplicate with any regularity. No obvious link to a resolution change, source change, particular input etc. etc.

Sounds like signal drop out from bad cabling. I would do what mcnizzel did and change the HDMI cable, preferably to a thicker gauge.
post #5571 of 8103
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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

Anybody else getting periodic video drops (No Signal displayed) followed by what appears to be an HDMI renegotiation?

No, and I'm using a 45ft HDMI cable ... but it is 22awg (from MonoPrice).

How long is your run and what kind of HDMI cable are you currently using?
post #5572 of 8103
Same monoprice cable only 75ft. Have it driven off a monoprice disti amp connected to DTV HR24-100. Have tried two different disti amps and have also used this run for a TV previously without problem. In case you're curious, I ran an RG6 to my receiver in this room for digital coax sound when I changed to the projector. HDMI cable goes from disti amp direct to PJ direct.
post #5573 of 8103
Anyone know if Frys are still doing the $899 price on this? Is it instore only?
post #5574 of 8103
Fry's in-store is back to $1299. I was able to grab a rain check for the $899 last week, but now they are mysteriously out of stock. I called this afternoon and was told there were two on hand, though when I got there 20 min later they insisted it was 'impossible' anyone would tell me there were any in stock. I'm skeptical I'll be able to pick one up before the 30 day raincheck expires.
post #5575 of 8103
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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

Same monoprice cable only 75ft. Have it driven off a monoprice disti amp connected to DTV HR24-100. Have tried two different disti amps and have also used this run for a TV previously without problem. In case you're curious, I ran an RG6 to my receiver in this room for digital coax sound when I changed to the projector. HDMI cable goes from disti amp direct to PJ direct.

Anyone know the feasibility of putting two amps on the same run?
post #5576 of 8103
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Originally Posted by timrutter23 View Post

Fry's in-store is back to $1299. I was able to grab a rain check for the $899 last week, but now they are mysteriously out of stock. I called this afternoon and was told there were two on hand, though when I got there 20 min later they insisted it was 'impossible' anyone would tell me there were any in stock. I'm skeptical I'll be able to pick one up before the 30 day raincheck expires.

Couldn't you just find a Best Buy or even a Sears nearby to price match like I did?
post #5577 of 8103
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Anyone know the feasibility of putting two amps on the same run?

If the problem is due to inadequacies inherent in the HDMI cable's ability to pass a signal down such a long length, amplification will only "enhance' the video noise. If the cable is 22 gauge - v1.4 rated, the issue is most likely tied to the Amplifier and/or the output signal itself.

rakstr
I myself have not found that the signal strength reception of the 8350's HDMI intput is in any way weaker than, or not equal to that of similar machines. (...did you try switching to the other HDMI input?) Was your previous display 1080p?
post #5578 of 8103
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

If the problem is due to inadequacies inherent in the HDMI cable's ability to pass a signal down such a long length, amplification will only "enhance' the video noise. If the cable is 22 gauge - v1.4 rated, the issue is most likely tied to the Amplifier and/or the output signal itself.

rakstr
I myself have not found that the signal strength reception of the 8350's HDMI intput is in any way weaker than, or not equal to that of similar machines. (...did you try switching to the other HDMI input?) Was your previous display 1080p?

Yes, I've tried both inputs.

Funny about the question on two disti amps. I broke down and ordered another HDMI capable receiver so I'll now be reworking the wiring and may have to try amp-amp at this house as well. I really need to get another input setup so I can test out thoroughly for the video drop before my exchange window at Fry's closes. Unfortunately, I'm getting convinced it's the PJ I found my stand alone ATSC tuner (things really get hidden when you move) and I'll get that hooked up before tonight's Rangers game.

For the other poster, I've done this before at my previous house without issue BUT you need to be careful on over-amplification and all the other issues you have just like when you begin to daisy chain any other devices like when running RG6 for antenna! When I did it before, I had a 50ft run between amps (Monoprice CL2 22g). The Disti Amps were Monoprice HS-104. The specs say this is AOK. I think their math is wrong however on the number of HDMI signals at full deployment (3+3+4=10)

Supports high-resolution video - HDTV resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p (1920x1080); VGA, SVGA, SXGA, UXGA (1600x1200), WUXGA (1920x1200)
Cascade distance: Source to Device -1.8m,

Device to Device-15m,Device to Display-20m
Supports 12-bit Deep Color for HDMI formats
Cascadable to 3 levels - provides up to 8 HDMI signals.
Long distance transmission - 20 m (24 AWG HDMI standard cable) and 15 m (28AWG HDMI standard cable)
DDC compatible
HDMI 1.3b compliant
HDCP 1.1 compliant
Signaling rates up to 2.25Gbits in support of 1080p display
All-metal casing
LED indication of display devices
Plug-and-play - no software installation required
post #5579 of 8103
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Originally Posted by JP View Post

I've heard of Art's calibration settings for the 8350, which I tried. They can be found here: http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...alibration.php However, when using this in cinema mode the colors look very bland and weak to me. Do others see the colors as weak and perhaps too saturated or is it just my projector?

The big thing is, is they don't mention what kind of screen he's using. Some settings are somewhat static screen to screen like brightness, contrast, and sharpness but color temperature and color are affected by the screen. I tried Arts setting on my Elite cine-white screen and they were no good. I'll post my calibration settings and report sometime next week for those who use the same screen as me.
post #5580 of 8103
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

If the problem is due to inadequacies inherent in the HDMI cable's ability to pass a signal down such a long length, amplification will only "enhance' the video noise. If the cable is 22 gauge - v1.4 rated, the issue is most likely tied to the Amplifier and/or the output signal itself.

Good point. How feasible then is bi-wiring HDMI cables - splitting at source and merging at device?

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Originally Posted by rakstr View Post

For the other poster, I've done this before at my previous house without issue BUT you need to be careful on over-amplification and all the other issues you have just like when you begin to daisy chain any other devices like when running RG6 for antenna! When I did it before, I had a 50ft run between amps (Monoprice CL2 22g). The Disti Amps were Monoprice HS-104. The specs say this is AOK. I think their math is wrong however on the number of HDMI signals at full deployment (3+3+4=10)

Supports high-resolution video - HDTV resolution of 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p (1920x1080); VGA, SVGA, SXGA, UXGA (1600x1200), WUXGA (1920x1200)
Cascade distance: Source to Device -1.8m,

Device to Device-15m,Device to Display-20m
Supports 12-bit Deep Color for HDMI formats
Cascadable to 3 levels - provides up to 8 HDMI signals.
Long distance transmission - 20 m (24 AWG HDMI standard cable) and 15 m (28AWG HDMI standard cable)
DDC compatible
HDMI 1.3b compliant
HDCP 1.1 compliant
Signaling rates up to 2.25Gbits in support of 1080p display
All-metal casing
LED indication of display devices
Plug-and-play - no software installation required

Thanks. And it looks like your 75 foot cable is about 10 feet longer than the amp is rated to drive. (Device to Display-20m/65 feet)

Edit: Didn't notice that rating was for 24AWG stated further down. Still, I would look into that if I were you
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