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post #5671 of 8113
kaisergrendel,

I am fairly new to pj's, this is my first pj. I am learning by trial & error. For settings 2:2 is enabled, iris is on fast, power is on normal. I hope that is what you were asking about.

For example when watching Transformers 3, building shots look tad blurry. When playing xbox 360, blurr with just about every monement. Could be the game, didn't think about that.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
post #5672 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

kaisergrendel,

I am fairly new to pj's, this is my first pj. I am learning by trial & error. For settings 2:2 is enabled, iris is on fast, power is on normal. I hope that is what you were asking about.

For example when watching Transformers 3, building shots look tad blurry. When playing xbox 360, blurr with just about every monement. Could be the game, didn't think about that.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Disable 2:2
What is your source? HDMI, Component?
post #5673 of 8113
HDMI. Would a long cord have something to do with it? Not sure how long it is. I thought 2:2 was good. doubling each frame-right?
post #5674 of 8113
Oh for movies I am using PS3 blu-Ray.
post #5675 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

HDMI. Would a long cord have something to do with it? Not sure how long it is. I thought 2:2 was good. doubling each frame-right?

No, signal failure from long runs would either result in no picture or "sparkle" artifacts.

Agree with 42plasmaman, disable 2:2. 2:2 pulldown converts each progressive frame into 2 interlaced ones and to my knowlege can cause motion artifacts if playing a progressive source. Also, what resolution are the projector and Xbox running at?

Edit: If the effect persists in PS3 Bluray, by elimination the problem is a projector setting. 2:2 pulldown is the most likely culprit, IMO.

Edit: From 8350 manual: "This setting can be used only when viewing a 1080p/24Hz signal input through the Component, HDMI 1, or HDMI 2 ports." If I'm reading this right, then there will still be something wrong when playing your Xbox 360 since it outputs at 60hz, which disables the 2:2 feature. See if anything improves anyway.

Can you describe this "motion blur" in more detail?
post #5676 of 8113
Hi everybody. Long time AVS member but I haven't posted in awhile.

I was looking for a quick/cheap upgrade to my 6 year old Marantz VP-12S3. I was a little hesitant replacing a $12,000 projector with a < $1200 projector but I gotta say WOW. I'm so impressed with the picture quality of this unit right out of the box.

My older 720p Marantz had a lot of usage on it and the bulb was starting to dim, so instead of dropping some cash on a new bulb I thought I'd give this projector a whirl. My biggest gripe with the old projector is I had some serious Moire going on with my 120" Stewart Grayhawk with Microperf. The 1080p really took care of that!

I still have some finishing work to do on the install. I had used the existing mount for the VP-12S3 and made some hacks with steel brackets to accommodate the mounting config for the 8350. It's not pretty, but once I have the hushbox back up, nobody will even know.

I'll try to post some more detailed pics of the theater and screenshots once I get everything put back. I can't wait to watch the Red Wings game tonight!
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post #5677 of 8113
Both are at 1080p. If I recall correctly, when I checked signal info it read 60hz progressive. I will double check when I get home.

Your help is greatly appreciated. I was getting bummed out if I made the right purchase.
post #5678 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

Both are at 1080p. If I recall correctly, when I checked signal info it read 60hz progressive. I will double check when I get home.

To my knowledge Xbox360 only goes as far as 1080i. Have a look.

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Originally Posted by kawie01 View Post

Your help is greatly appreciated. I was getting bummed out if I made the right purchase.

Don't worry, I hear the 8350 being used for gaming a lot with no problems.
post #5679 of 8113
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Originally Posted by Tomas_S View Post

Hi everybody. Long time AVS member but I haven't posted in awhile.

I was looking for a quick/cheap upgrade to my 6 year old Marantz VP-12S3. I was a little hesitant replacing a $12,000 projector with a < $1200 projector but I gotta say WOW. I'm so impressed with the picture quality of this unit right out of the box.

My older 720p Marantz had a lot of usage on it and the bulb was starting to dim, so instead of dropping some cash on a new bulb I thought I'd give this projector a whirl. My biggest gripe with the old projector is I had some serious Moire going on with my 120" Stewart Grayhawk with Microperf. The 1080p really took care of that!

Hahah, the pains of early adoption. Hows it compare to the Marantz?
post #5680 of 8113
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Originally Posted by Tomas_S View Post

Hi everybody. Long time AVS member but I haven't posted in awhile.

I was looking for a quick/cheap upgrade to my 6 year old Marantz VP-12S3. I was a little hesitant replacing a $12,000 projector with a < $1200 projector but I gotta say WOW. I'm so impressed with the picture quality of this unit right out of the box.

I've had two since then - bought my 1st Sony VPL-VW10HT (1366x768) in 2001 as a demo w/120 hours for $4,500, then a $450 bulb after 2200 hours. In 2007 I retired that for a Sony VPL-AW15 (1280x720) and am needing to replace its $300 bulb to which I bought this Epson 8350 (1920x1080) for under $1,100 - in fact, I paid $5 less for this Epson than I did for the Sony in 2007! I'm finding the technology is rapidly developing** and there's not a strong motivator to spend the $3,200 - 3,999 Sony wants for their latest 1920x1080 units... Mine is arriving this week - I hope I'll not be disappointed in the picture quality!

**The Epson 8350 utilizes 3LCD technology - the same as the Sony VPL-AW15
post #5681 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Hahah, the pains of early adoption. Hows it compare to the Marantz?

So far, first impressions are a definite improvement. I haven't been able to sit through a whole movie or game yet. The Moire is history and colors and contrast are much improved. Since this is a dedicated theater & totally light controlled I was worried if I didn't make the wrong decision not opting for the 8700UB. Blacks on the 8350 are much better than my Marantz and I think I made the right decision. But for $1200 it was a cheap gamble.
post #5682 of 8113
You guys make me glad I waited this long for a projector xD
post #5683 of 8113
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Originally Posted by Tomas_S View Post

So far, first impressions are a definite improvement. I haven't been able to sit through a whole movie or game yet. The Moire is history and colors and contrast are much improved. Since this is a dedicated theater & totally light controlled I was worried if I didn't make the wrong decision not opting for the 8700UB. Blacks on the 8350 are much better than my Marantz and I think I made the right decision. But for $1200 it was a cheap gamble.

Nice!
post #5684 of 8113
Here she is! I can't wait to really break this in. I thought the picture was amazing then I realized my Blu-Ray was only spitting out 720p! LOL, Didn't think it could get any better.
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post #5685 of 8113
I've made a few changes in my setup for evaluation and testing.

First, "convergence." I was very suspect when my unit would be fine one day and a bit off the next. The lens assembly is not terribly solid-feeling, a lot of free-play. After setting zoom and dialing in good focus, I had a 1-pixel vertical offset on red. I further tuned the focus and the slight improvement seemed to dial that away. I also stuck a wad of memory foam (cut from a mattress topper!) to gently support the lens assembly. So far, seems pretty stable, and I can't really tell if the tweaking helped or it's just a good day for the 8350!

I added an ND2 neutral-density filter at the output lens and it's a good improvement. I'd like to go with a higher value but I don't have enough white level headroom... pushing past even 10 fL clips below ideal white. My lamp has over 2100 hours and I'm in eco mode, so I can't complain.

Though that output level may seem low, I've also done a pretty extensive experiment in room-treatment. The perimeter is lined with a strange mix of various black "blackout" drapes, the area from screen to maybe 5 feet out is "boxed" with a mishmash of black velvet and fleece (whatever stuff I had laying about) and I borrowed some tricks from astronomy and placed side-to-side vertical baffles on the ceiling and floor. I just wanted to do a quick-and-dirty to see how it fared.

I like it. A lot! I did a very quick recal to levels, greyscale and RGBCMY. It needs another pass or two, but the image is gorgeous. I recorded "the Alps" from HDNet (a climbing expedition, good show) and the camera work as presented by the 8350 was just stunning. As I continue working the the 8350, it just keeps pulling rabbits out of the hat.

And of course, with all that blackout going on I can call it the Bat Cave.
post #5686 of 8113
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Originally Posted by SonyCrusader View Post

I've made a few changes in my setup for evaluation and testing.

First, "convergence." I was very suspect when my unit would be fine one day and a bit off the next. The lens assembly is not terribly solid-feeling, a lot of free-play. After setting zoom and dialing in good focus, I had a 1-pixel vertical offset on red. I further tuned the focus and the slight improvement seemed to dial that away. I also stuck a wad of memory foam (cut from a mattress topper!) to gently support the lens assembly. So far, seems pretty stable, and I can't really tell if the tweaking helped or it's just a good day for the 8350!

I added an ND2 neutral-density filter at the output lens and it's a good improvement. I'd like to go with a higher value but I don't have enough white level headroom... pushing past even 10 fL clips below ideal white. My lamp has over 2100 hours and I'm in eco mode, so I can't complain.

Though that output level may seem low, I've also done a pretty extensive experiment in room-treatment. The perimeter is lined with a strange mix of various black "blackout" drapes, the area from screen to maybe 5 feet out is "boxed" with a mishmash of black velvet and fleece (whatever stuff I had laying about) and I borrowed some tricks from astronomy and placed side-to-side vertical baffles on the ceiling and floor. I just wanted to do a quick-and-dirty to see how it fared.

I like it. A lot! I did a very quick recal to levels, greyscale and RGBCMY. It needs another pass or two, but the image is gorgeous. I recorded "the Alps" from HDNet (a climbing expedition, good show) and the camera work as presented by the 8350 was just stunning. As I continue working the the 8350, it just keeps pulling rabbits out of the hat.

And of course, with all that blackout going on I can call it the Bat Cave.

Sony, can you explain how ND filters help since they're designed to reduce light transmission evenly (unless the image is too bright to begin with?)? I've been wondering about that for awhile.
post #5687 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Sony, can you explain how ND filters help since they're designed to reduce light transmission evenly? I've been wondering about that for awhile.

The ND filter will darken the low and high end but your eyes tend to notice the improved low end (deeper blacks) but not notice (nearly as much) the deceased brightness (white level).
post #5688 of 8113
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Originally Posted by Charles R View Post

The ND filter will darken the low and high end but your eyes tend to notice the improved low end (deeper blacks) but not notice (nearly as much) the deceased brightness (white level).

I can understand that.

Does the 8350 lens have filter threads? The specs don't seem to mention it
post #5689 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Does the 8350 lens have filter threads? The specs don't seem to mention it

Years ago when I used one I found a rubber lens hood that fit around the lens and was threaded on the other side. I purchased a ND filter that fit it and I was good to go. However, I always wondered if I was trapping heat between the two lens within the air pocket... which probably wasn't good.
post #5690 of 8113
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Originally Posted by michaelv View Post

Does anyone run cable along the wall and ceiling with plastic cable organizer? Any picture for idea would be greatly appreciated.

thanks.

My choice is to pull off floor trim, shove cable along the bottom of the drywall, and put the trim back on. Works best for speaker wire. I did this for in-wall speakers without making any major holes.
post #5691 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Question: Is there any way to double-secure the 8350? I'm placing it on a wall-mounted shelf and want to make sure the projector doesn't just come crashing down if the shelf by some stroke of bad luck falls. I'm thinking some kind of kensington type lock attached to a wall hook, or somesuch?

Screw through the shelf into one of the mounting holes? If the shelf is secure, then it will never move.
post #5692 of 8113
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Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

Screw through the shelf into one of the mounting holes?

Hahah, I was asking for a backup solution. The projector won't really be in danger of sliding off the shelf unless, you know, the shelf itself fails.

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Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

If the shelf is secure, then it will never move.

While you can do everything that's required to achieve a good mount, you'll never really know if it'll move until it does, ay?
post #5693 of 8113
The other day we had a momentary power outage and when I turned the 8350 back on I got a blue screen with a message "Error in auto iris, contact Epson service provider". I turned it off and the lights on the PJ flashed red and fans went full blast. I pulled the power and plugged back in and it turned on and operated normally. Tonight when I turned it on I got the same error and had to hard power cycle again. Has anyone else seen this? Auto iris isn't even on. Not too happy at the moment and the PJ is only a couple of weeks old.
post #5694 of 8113
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Originally Posted by rcliff View Post

The other day we had a momentary power outage and when I turned the 8350 back on I got a blue screen with a message "Error in auto iris

Mine does this about once every other month.
Power off the projector.
Unplug the power cables from the projector.
Wait 1 minute plug it back in.
Wait about 5 minutes and power back on.
If the error comes right back, call Epson and get an exchange.
post #5695 of 8113
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcliff View Post

The other day we had a momentary power outage and when I turned the 8350 back on I got a blue screen with a message "Error in auto iris, contact Epson service provider". I turned it off and the lights on the PJ flashed red and fans went full blast. I pulled the power and plugged back in and it turned on and operated normally. Tonight when I turned it on I got the same error and had to hard power cycle again. Has anyone else seen this? Auto iris isn't even on. Not too happy at the moment and the PJ is only a couple of weeks old.

Not that I would know how to troubleshoot this, but was auto-iris on when the outage happened?
post #5696 of 8113
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Mine does this about once every other month.
Power off the projector.
Unplug the power cables from the projector.
Wait 1 minute plug it back in.
Wait about 5 minutes and power back on.
If the error comes right back, call Epson and get an exchange.

So maybe this is a common issue and no big deal? I hope so, other than this annoyance, this PJ has been awesome.
post #5697 of 8113
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Originally Posted by kaisergrendel View Post

Not that I would know how to troubleshoot this, but was auto-iris on when the outage happened?

Nope, was off both times.
post #5698 of 8113
I don't use auto iris either but you will hear the iris adjust when you turn the projector on and off. So if it can't adjust properly when you turn on, the error is displayed.


Also, when this error occurs, use the power button on the projector to turn it off.
Wait for the cool down fanning to stop THEN unplug the power for a minute.

Don't ever shutdown the projector. I'd invest in a low cost UPS just for the projector in an event of a power outage so you can turn it off and let the normal cooling process execute to properly cool the lamp.
post #5699 of 8113
I have never heard the iris on my 8350. Perhaps it is not working or I have a killer unit. Granted I have not tried that hard to hear it but I have tried all the settings and sometimes wonder what all the hullabaloo is about. The pic is great and that is all that matters to me.
post #5700 of 8113
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Originally Posted by Mikes2cents View Post

I have never heard the iris on my 8350. Perhaps it is not working or I have a killer unit. Granted I have not tried that hard to hear it but I have tried all the settings and sometimes wonder what all the hullabaloo is about. The pic is great and that is all that matters to me.

Maybe we can do a quick poll? Can everyone below this post mention if your 8350 iris is silent, audible, or loud please?
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