The Offical Epson 8350 Owners Thread - Page 259

Try the Blu-Ray player again, directly to the projector (no amp).

 

What is the make and model of this cable? What is the gauge?

I've tried searching this thread but can't seem to find the exact issue that I'm having.
I have my 8350 hooked up via a 30ft Monoprice Redmere cable to my Oppo 95, WD TV Live and my XBOX360s via a Kinivo 501BN 5 port HDMI switch. I had a Monoprice HDMI a switch but it was limited to 1080i s and was giving me problems so I got the Kinivo which does 1080p and is powered. have no issues re 1080p resolution with the Oppo and the WD TV live but when I try to change the resolution on the XBOX from 1368 to 1920X1080 on the home page (i.e. not a game) I get a black screen and "resolution not supported message" The Xbox is on expanded range and so is the Epson and I have tried switching out various HDMI cables on the Xbox including a better Monoprice cable and the stock MS cable.
Am I missing something? Is it perhaps an EDID problem between the Xbox and the 8350? If so, is there a solution to this? I hope I don't to have to get a new HDMI cable as its fastened down along the baseboards.
Edited by Alexdad54 - 1/18/13 at 5:45pm

It works fine with just the blu-ray player. I used this cable:http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10255&cs_id=1025501&p_id=9172&seq=1&format=2 It's clearly a good cable.....I just don't know what to do anymore and im pretty much giving up. I need to get my money back soon or I will have to sell it on ebay.

I added some more pics to my profile on: Home Theater (Living Room). No tripod, camera is only 4mp, and it was complaining about not using the flash.

 

 

 

Edited by Tesla1856 - 1/18/13 at 10:39pm

I read what is says (about 28awg being fine) and maybe it is (since the Blu-Ray player plays fine over it). Maybe it's magical or special, but since it doesn't work with the amp you have to wonder about it. I don't think they sold those back when I bought mine. Maybe RedMere is not compatible with Yamaha HDMI or you have some other problem. I know a little about electronics and signals. Maybe it's old-school, but I think I would have still bought what I bought. Normally, you increase gauge as length increases.

 

If you would have asked first, I would have suggested something much thicker. It's been asked before in this thread and thats what we (I anyway) told people.

 

Sorry to hear you are giving up. It's not that hard, but you certainly have had some bad luck on your install.

Well like I said the blu ray player plays it fine and I don't have unlimited funds on cables. Another one is going to cost me EVEN MORE money than the 75 I already spent on the monoprice cable. The customer service at Yamaha says that the receiver won't do anything over 15 feet..........but it might. Im just so tired of being jerked around. So what do I drive the 40 minutes back to best buy and get another receiver and hope that works better? Buy a shorter cable and hope that works better? And how do I run it? Just straight across the floor? Yeah that isn't going to look good and im sure someone will trip over it. Im at my wits end. I even thought about paying the geek squad to come over and install it but they can't doing anything about the limitations the cables and receiver I have.

Connect XBox360 directly to 8350 and do your res thingy. If it doesn't work over 30ft-RedMere, try 10-15 ft normal cable (bring xBox to projector). Find out what works and troubleshoot from there.

This.

Assuming that works, the long cable run is the problem. Another option instead of buying a new heavier gauge long cable, could be to get an HDMI signal booster/repeater. In my previous home (when I had a Panny 720p projector) I bought this PhoenixGold repeater. I see that there's just one review on Amazon for it and it's a negative one, but it's worked for me. I don't need it with my present setup for the 8350, but am successfully using it to get a couple of shorter cables run from a splitter to my secondary display in the room (a 720p plasma). If anyone here has any thoughts as to why it's a bad idea to use a powered signal repeater, let me know.

Is your switch also sending two separate signals *OUT* to two different displays (e.g., a TV and the 8350)? If so, it could be getting confusing EDID info from the other display. My older receiver is about 1 HDMI input short of my needs and only has 1 HDMI out, so I'm using a Monoprice switcher/splitter (HDX-402) in this manner: I have an XBox 360 going into it, then using one of the outs to go to my 720p plasma and the other out to my Onkyo receiver. The Onkyo receiver has other devices going into it, and then the Onkyo's only out is going to the 8350. That's been working well for me, but limits me to just using the plasma for occasional TV watching.

*BUT* I previously attempted to have the XBox 360 go into the Onkyo and have the Onkyo's out go to the HDX-402, and then from that I just used it as a splitter to feed both my plasma and the 8350. With that setup, I ran into a problem with my Apple TV (3rd gen - 1080p) where if I had the 720p plasma powered up first, the ATV would set itself to 720p output mode, and it wouldn't change if I turned off the TV and powered up the 8350.

Anyways, none of that may be applicable to your issue, but I thought I'd throw it out there. As with the previous posts about another person's issue, I would recommend plugging the Xbox directly to the 8350 to troubleshoot first.

Many thanks to all for your suggestions, I tried the suggestions and it seems to have worked for now...
I disconnected the Redmere cable to the 8350 from the switch (which only has a single output) and hooked it directly into the Xbox which then read the 1080p perfectly. Funnily enough though, it didn't look quite as sharp as the previous resolution, the 1368....
Perhaps I need to use a different mode on the Epson for gaming...
So figuring that the cable wasn't the problem I hooked it back into the Kinivo switch and, lo and behold, it worked! It now reads 1080p from the Xbox.
I'm guessing that the Xbox for some reason couldn't discover the native resolution of the Epson but that's just an uneducated guess!

I have several sources on at the same time on the Kinivo as it's recommended to leave my Oppo 95 on all the time and I also don't like to turn off the WD TV Live as it loses the video settings every time. Could that be a problem?

Update: It seems that when I turn off the Xbox, I have to do the direct connection all over again to get the 1080p signal. Not sure why teh 8350 isn't getting the setting when I turn on the Xbox.

Seems I'll have to leave it on all the time now or get another 30ft Redmere HDMI cable...
Edited by Alexdad54 - 1/20/13 at 8:42pm

Auto Iris Error

All: On my second refurb 8350 (first was replaced due to convergence issues).
Now Auto Iris Error about 50% of the time. I power off, unplug, and it's ok. I have auto iris turned off in the settings.
Any other tricks to get it working right?

Should I call Epson for a replacement? Only 4 months into the warranty.

If so, what do I tell them so I don't get a bad unit again?

Thanks!

i went thru some of the ps3 settings and it is putting out in 1080, but im not sure what i should be checking for with the bits level or deep color, i don't know what should or should not be selected, also would it be more beneficial to just buy a bluray player or is the ps3's quality good enough.

i just watched the newer terminator movie tonight and in the scenes when they are flying the ships at night you can see a bluish haze surrounding the headlights on the ship...this is pretty much what i notice during any movie scene that is mostly dark with one bright light source somewhere in the image.

i went thru some of the ps3 settings and it is putting out in 1080, but im not sure what i should be checking for with the bits level or deep color, i don't know what should or should not be selected, also would it be more beneficial to just buy a bluray player or is the ps3's quality good enough.

i just watched the newer terminator movie tonight and in the scenes when they are flying the ships at night you can see a bluish haze surrounding the headlights on the ship...this is pretty much what i notice during any movie scene that is mostly dark with one bright light source somewhere in the image.

http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/deepcolor.html
That explains how to turn off "deep color". The ps3 playback quality is fine. http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/rgbfullrange.html and http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps3/current/settings/superwhite.html give a couple of other options that might have an effect. Read the "hints" on those settings to see if they might apply or just give 'em a try.

We watched Ghost Rider 2 tonight. Nice special effects (fire it not easy to CGI). Scenes were dark and we saw no banding. Still need to double-check those scenes you mentioned again (give me a few more days). Exact movies and time would help speed things along.

 

Well, there are lots of color settings in the 8350 also (as i said). Get PDF manual and seach "color". With 10-bit color and over one billion colors, you shouldn't be getting banding.

 

Set PS3 color bit level as high as possible or deep color on.

 

Ya, another component that will play Blu-Ray (perfectly) would be helpful right about now. Blu-Ray players are cheap. I think a Sony 590 is $100. Take it back if you don't like it. Or, you could borrow one.

i really appreciate all of your help, i will try to get some more specific times during movies when i see it, or even a picture.

i will also probably try out a different blu ray player and see if i still notice this happening.

thanks

Hi guys,

Banging my head big time. I don't have cable aside from a few OTA channels thru my coax; so am trying to find a tuner to watch TV using my Onkyo and Epson 8350.

I bought a used HD TIVO, unfortunately it wasn't able to pull in the necessary channels.

I bought a Boxee TV which is superb but unfortunately CBS is coming in Spanish during all the playoff games on CBS, very frustrating as this is why I bought it and no one at Dlink can figure this out. CUrrently on my 2nd box

Would this possibly work? http://www.amazon.com/Kcpi-Dt504-Digital-Converter-Box/dp/B009L66WE2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1358731727&sr=8-1&keywords=KCPI+DT504+Digital+TV+Converter



I am currently pulling a few OTA CHannels thru my coax, 5.1, 116.2 etc, any help greatly appreciated.

Not sure I understand ...

 

If you are doing OTA ... ATSC with antenna, you might as well get a nice one of these:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/179095/the-official-avs-hdtv-stb-synopsis#post_22779649

Free ATSC is actually pretty good with a good antenna and enough signal.

 

If you just have analog cable? Well, for what you are paying, it's probably like $10-$20 more to get a digital tuner ... go to the office and get one.

 

I think you can also get rent a Cable-Card for the TiVo but I have no experience with that. Check their forum.

so i picked up the sony 390, the step down from the 590 simply because i dont need the 3d option. i put back in terminator and still noticed the banding, so i was thinking it must be something with the projectors settings, so i went into the color mode which iv been regularly using in either natural mode or cinema, because i am in a basement which is pretty light controlled, so i tried changing it to livingroom and also dynamic and it seemed to eliminate the banding. im not sure why this would make it better, i thought being in a dark room you should be using the modes such as cinema. i dont want to keep it on these brighter modes for the fear of burning out the bulb too fast. not sure what to do.

i plan on testing these settings again tomorrow with the ps3 set back up, ill see how that goes. not sure if ill keep the sony player.

Yes, please check your manual. Lots of good stuff in there.

 

Since my room is multi-use I use 3 different Color Modes. I use the darkest one at Night and the next 2. I could check their real names if it's important. I called the marcos on the Harmony remote Night, Dusk and Day. I've never noticed any banding and most Day viewing is instead on the plasma.

 

I'm pretty sure only the Power Consumption option (Normal or Eco) affects bulb life. Maybe someone else knows for sure.

Sorry about that, guess what I wrote is confusing. When I cancelled my cable service I guess my provider didn't officially turn off all my channels. Thru my coax I get all the basics, ABC, NBC, Fox etc but they are channels with a decimal point 5.1 116.2 which are the numbers I would get with an antenna. Will look more at your link but didn't want to spend $150 for a box but I guess if I have to....

You mentioned in your follow-up post that you're no longer paying the cable company for TV. WIth the TiVo HD you need a cablecard, which you'd have to get from the cable company, so that's out. You *could* use the TiVo HD to tune in OTA (with an antenna) channels, but you'd need to still pay the TiVo fee (unless it already had a lifetime subscription) and that assumes you're able to reliably pull in all of the channels you want with an antenna.
I wouldn't recommend it. It's going to convert the HD channels to a letterboxed 4:3 format with less than 400 lines of resolution. I didn't look over the specs in detail...I see that it has a S-Video out, but I suspect it isn't cool enough to convert 16:9 HD into anamorphic SD, but even if such boxes exist, that would still result in you dropping all the way down to 480 lines of res max.

If you're pulling in the HD locals from the cable, you want a ClearQAM tuner to be able to display those on your 8350, which the box Tesla referenced appears to be able to do (it looks like that thread he linked to discusses numerous other similar options as well).

But what other equipment do you have available to you? If you have a computer, you could also look into a ClearQAM tuner for that (e.g., single-tuner USB sticks can be found for under $50, the SiliconDust HDHomeRun dual-tuner box is about $90). If it's running Windows 7 or 8, you can use Windows Media Center as a DVR. If you have a computer you don't mind leaving on 24/7 to do that, but don't want it in the same room as your 8350 but *do* have an XBox 360 in that room, you can use the 360 as an "extender" for that Windows Media Center computer (this is part of my setup). Or, if you have a Mac, there's DVR software called EyeTV from Elgato. There are other DVR software options as well for PC, Mac, and Linux.

Keep in mind that there's a lot of discussion/rumors about the cable companies eventually scrambling *all* channels (even the locals), so that ClearQAM functionality might eventually be useless to you, even if it's working for you today. That said...I just downgraded/upgraded my TV/internet package with Comcast (less TV channels, but faster internet, and a significant cost savings from the insane price I was paying them before), and I considered moving all the way down to "Limited Basic" (about $20/month for just the locals). I noticed during the online ordering process that their website seemed to suggest that I wouldn't need any boxes from them for that, which seemed to suggest that they weren't in any hurry to scramble their ClearQAM channels.

Just out of curiosity...I'm assuming you're getting cable internet service. Who do you have, what package(s) do you have, and how much are you paying? I believe that Comcast penalizes you when you don't have TV service by charging you extra for the internet service, so you might not be paying much/any more by "officially" getting "Limited Basic" service from them, which would then allow you to pay a few bucks more a month to rent a box from them, or rent a cablecard to use with the TiVo HD.
Edited by srauly - 1/21/13 at 5:31am

Great insight.

First problem, my media room is in the basement and I can't get any signals with an indoor antenna. I am not at the breaking point of installing an antenna on my roof and doing all the necessary wiring. On top- of that I am in the country and closest signals are 50 miles++ away.

Computer - I did buy one of those tuners but unfortunately only got 2 channels so I brought it back. I think it was an aptek, not sure if buying another brand would help.

Cable Company - back in the day they did have a limited/basic pkg for $20 but now the cheapest pkg is $50 "bundled" which is why I cancelled. Bill went from $140 down to $49 for just internet.

I will definitely look at Tesla's review but for now I may just need to suck it up and use the Theater for everything but Live TV.

Right ... you are using the digital tuner in the TV to receive the ClearQAM digital channels. This is a side-effect of having analog cable. Pretty sure ... if you (anyone) have the cable connected to your house, you have analog cable. They can't disconnect it because you are using their Internet service.

 

I think we have covered your options pretty well by now.

Well good news. I went with a 25 foot cable instead and I go it all to work. I hate the instead of running it along the baseboard im now running it across the ceiling but at least it's working now. Does anyone have a good suggestion for a shelf? I have one now that as a swinging arm that makes the projector hard to angle because it keeps moving.

We're way off topic for this thread, but feel free to PM me if you want to discuss further.

My 5yr old PJ started exhibiting blue polarizer burn - yellowish image on all white scenes. It has only about 2400-2500hrs. Before plunging into upgrade, I am trying to find howlong the new Epson C2Fine panels will last. I know all panels of Epson's recent models are inorganic but there are no tests to prove their longevity. Also, I am not sure if polarizer layers are also inorganic or just the LCD module only. If polarizer is still organic, we should still hit the same issue with new models too. So, I thought 8350 may provide some clues as it is in the market more than 2yrs. Scouring this thread gave me some clues - someone had 5000+hrs, few people had 2000-3000hrs and many under 1000. No one complained explicitly about any polarizer burn issues so far.

Could everyone please post how many hours they have used or still using their 8350 and if they have noticed any polarizer burn issues ?

thank you very much in advance.

Good to hear you are finally able to use your 8350. What exact cable and gauge did you end up using? You might be able to return the RedMere to MonoPrice.

 

Once you have the cable working external, it's not that much harder to install in ceiling attic if you are handy (eventually ... not now ... enjoy some first). Also, concider just going ahead and use a proper ceiling mount (you "get back" some cable length).

 

Saw this a while back:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1280137/the-offical-epson-8350-owners-thread/3360#post_19988371

 

However, if your existing shelf mount is mounted and working in the proper place ... I would just tighen it or wedge something in the hinges. You can do good things with wire-ties and pieces of plastic lids.

Edited by Tesla1856 - 1/24/13 at 12:17am

Those glass shelves look awesome, I guess they might require some dusting. http://www.omnimount.com/products/av_wall_shelves/ecs/ hold up to 30 lbs, and wide enough. Or, google images for one, if you want to get handy.

Yeah thats the one I have, I hate it because it swings far too easily which makes lining up my projector hard.

Also the lamp hours are very inaccurate right? Mine says I have 28 hours when I know I only have about half that.