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post #7771 of 8163
1/28/13 at 5:58pm
Guys:

The fact I'm considering this projector in the sub $1200 category nearly 3 years after its release speaks to how great it is, however I'm concerned about the convergence issues...real? Overstated?

I'm not really into sending back PJs for issues I can avoid.

I suppose I avoid PJs like the benq 1070 for potential rbe so there's "evil" lurking on both sides, lol.

Just looking for some feedback is all, I guess.

I plan on using the unit outside this summer for some late night movies and baseball so I think I'd enjoy its solid image in vivid but then again the benq seems to calibrate quite bright as well!

In some ways I wish I had never heard about these convergence issues as I'm sure the chances of me getting a unit that's perfectly fine are likley far greater.

So, 8350 owners: would you do it again or is there/are there better options now?

Thanks a ton!

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 1/29/13 at 3:58am
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post #7772 of 8163
1/28/13 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Guys:

The fact I'm considering this projector in the sub $1200 category speaks to how great it is...

James

wink.gif

I think that came out different than you meant it your highness


in the words of Jim Carrey

o o o h h h really?

wink.gif

I'm on my fifth. carps on his sixth and both his and my current 8350 has yet another issue and needs be sent back. convergence is one of many dissapointments you may encounter with this projector. there are also random dust blobs, and auto iris failures are seemingly imminent.

I'd go back to Panasonic if I were to have a redo.

I had two Panasonic 720p projectors before this Epson with nary an issue.

when the Epson is working it looks great, is bright...

...when it is working


on the plus side epsons warranty support is great.
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post #7773 of 8163
1/29/13 at 4:03am
(Re the initial post: I failed to add that I was a bit amazed that it's still among the $1000ish 1080 pjs being considered, nearly 3 years after its release).

That's a shame...it's just so hard to ignore the overwhelmingly positive reviews here on the PJ sites and amazon. I'm also considering the benq1070 and perhaps now, the Epson 3020?

Thanks for the honest take

James
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post #7774 of 8163
1/29/13 at 11:01pm
I think the Benq 1070 is offering a little better pj, vs the Epson 3020. If you get a good 3020 it's fine, but qc seems to be lacking a little lately, even if their support may be superior. Warranty goes to the Epson, but for price/value, the Benq seems to be a better deal overall and would be my choice if I were shopping.
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post #7775 of 8163
1/31/13 at 1:06pm
Benq has the 1070... $1399 msrp and only has
10,000:1 contrast where as the epson 8350 is $1299 msrp and has a 50,000:1 contrast ratio. I would obviously pick epson over benq when it comes down to stats and price.
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post #7776 of 8163
1/31/13 at 1:52pm
so i have played around with the settings on both my ps3 and Epson 8350 projector to try and fix what seems to be banding during dark scenes. the only consistent fix that i have found for this problem is to keep the color mode set to living room or dynamic. when i set it to normal or cinema it creates the distortion in the image during a dark scene where a flashlight or street light may be glowing. im not sure if there is a way to change more settings on the projector so i can use cinema mode to get the best blacks without the distortion/banding...

any info would be helpfull thanks.
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post #7777 of 8163
1/31/13 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by konimus09 View Post

so i have played around with the settings on both my ps3 and Epson 8350 projector to try and fix what seems to be banding during dark scenes. the only consistent fix that i have found for this problem is to keep the color mode set to living room or dynamic. when i set it to normal or cinema it creates the distortion in the image during a dark scene where a flashlight or street light may be glowing. im not sure if there is a way to change more settings on the projector so i can use cinema mode to get the best blacks without the distortion/banding...

any info would be helpfull thanks.
1. What is your source?
Blu-ray, DVD, streaming?

2.Which content/movie is giving this issue?
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post #7778 of 8163
1/31/13 at 7:26pm
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

1. What is your source?
Blu-ray, DVD, streaming?

2.Which content/movie is giving this issue?

its all blu ray played on a ps3, i have also tried a regular bluray player, and its almost any movie with dark scenes that have a light shinning in the scene, either from headlights on a car/plane to a flashlight, its almost like the blueish tint that the light gives off is creating some halo effect that is extremely noticeable and almost blotchy looking
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post #7779 of 8163
1/31/13 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by konimus09 View Post

its all blu ray played on a ps3, i have also tried a regular bluray player, and its almost any movie with dark scenes that have a light shinning in the scene, either from headlights on a car/plane to a flashlight, its almost like the blueish tint that the light gives off is creating some halo effect that is extremely noticeable and almost blotchy looking
1. What's the signal chain between the ps3 and 8350?
2. What is the HDMI cable length between each device?
3. Have you tried replacing cables?
4. Can you post your picture settings
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post #7780 of 8163
1/31/13 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by cklinkbeil View Post

Benq has the 1070... $1399 msrp and only has
10,000:1 contrast where as the epson 8350 is $1299 msrp and has a 50,000:1 contrast ratio. I would obviously pick epson over benq when it comes down to stats and price.

MSRP of $1399, it's actually easy to find for $899, and even though the Epson has the better blacks, the price/performance of the Benq is actually pretty darn good. Obviously, you'd prefer the better blacks at the $400 price difference, which is fine. I chose my Epson 6010 based on several things it had going for it, incl. value with included extras, and Epson support. Will the Benq beat the Epson in dark images scenes, no. Is it a good value for what it can do. I think so.
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post #7781 of 8163
2/1/13 at 11:47am
Exactly which generation / model of TIVO do you have?
Some TIVOs have a built in OTA tuner, others don't

The Tivo Premiere can take a OTA signal by connecting an antenna to the coax line. That's my solution.

If you need, you need to goto tvfool.com and plug in your address and see what antenna works best for you.

If you are plugging in the coax line from the cable feed to the TIVO, you can't pull the OTAn signal as far as I know.
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post #7782 of 8163
2/2/13 at 5:15am
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Originally Posted by Archaea View Post

wink.gif

I think that came out different than you meant it your highness


in the words of Jim Carrey

o o o h h h really?

wink.gif

I'm on my fifth. carps on his sixth and both his and my current 8350 has yet another issue and needs be sent back. convergence is one of many dissapointments you may encounter with this projector. there are also random dust blobs, and auto iris failures are seemingly imminent.

I'd go back to Panasonic if I were to have a redo.

I had two Panasonic 720p projectors before this Epson with nary an issue.

when the Epson is working it looks great, is bright...

...when it is working


on the plus side epsons warranty support is great.

ELEVEN projectors between 2 humans? Insane.

Are these refurbs? At what point do you just try another brand/model?
What kind of issues have you experienced? Don't you both run 20-30db+ hot bass in your rooms? I wonder if that has an effect?

I'm so sick of this I'm nearly ready to can the idea...I realize that virtually every CEM in existence is prone to the seemingly limitless scrutiny of avs-goers, but PJs have to be the worst.

Benq1070 : (seemingly) significant firmware, quality control, build quality, and hardware issues. +RBE extremely limited placement options
Epson 3020: no 24fps (sig judder) more convergence issues, dust blobs
Epson 8350: blobs, auto iris issues, convergence issues

Take your pic. I realize these are "entry level" PJs, but for $1,000+ you'd like to think sig issues would be less frequent...or perhaps they are and is isn't far removed than some returning LCD TVs 6 times because they don't like the drawbacks inherent to the tech.

Sigh. At least the 8350 seems to have the best combo of black levels, light output, and placement versatility. That's why I keep coming back to it, I suppose.


Arrrrg.

James
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post #7783 of 8163
2/2/13 at 6:41am
James, I'm a bit of a picky consumer. So is carp. I want my video near perfect. If it's not I'll send it back. In my touring of home theaters I've seen multiple 8350s and I'd be sending some of them back immediately when it didn't seem to bother the owner.

They are good for the money, but prone to the issues discussed.

If you aren't real picky you might not even notice or care. I'm the guy who seemingly refocuses his projector before every movie, because the bass knocks the focus ever so slightly out of alignment. I hate dust blobs and will send it back. I'm in a near completely light controlled room so dust blobs are easy to see. I use my projector as a home theater monitor and if my text convergence is wrong I'll send it back. If all you ever did was watch blurays in a light filled living room you'd probably notice none of this things.

20-30dB hot bass? Ha. I'm not carp! wink.gif

No way. More like 6-15 depending on source. tongue.gif
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post #7784 of 8163
2/2/13 at 6:45am
Oh and all warranty replacements are refurbs, only my first was new.
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post #7785 of 8163
2/2/13 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Epson 8350: blobs, auto iris issues, convergence issues
 

No problems here. Mine is 1.5 yrs old. I don't find it slipping, but I occasionally check focus against a 1080p text graphic (logos and badges) on my Windows Wallpaper.

 

There is apparently also a comparable Panasonic 3LCD ... not sure of model.

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post #7786 of 8163
2/2/13 at 1:39pm
^ prolly the ar 100...I've been hot on that one lately, lol. Seems to have the least number of complaints per capita, honestly.

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 2/2/13 at 2:20pm
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post #7787 of 8163
2/2/13 at 2:18pm
panasonic makes really solid projectors in my personal ownership experience.
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post #7788 of 8163
2/3/13 at 7:36pm
Subscribed. I am trying to choose between the 8350 and the 5020UB, if anyone has opinions on that.

If anyone can recommend a vendor for either, I'd appreciate a link too (or a PM).
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post #7789 of 8163
2/4/13 at 7:43am
Thought I would throw my two cents in randomly here...maybe someone will find it useful some day.

First time projector owner who did a ton of research/reading. I picked up the 8350 about three weeks ago, using it mostly for TV and sports. Have a 90" home made screen (had an elite roll-down from my traveling presentation days that I cut out and stapled onto a velvet-covered wood frame). Here were my main concerns:

low white ceiling - would picture get washed out?
motion in sports - would it look bad?
ambient light - is the projector bright enough?

other requirement - lens shift for placement flexibility

After the super bowl and a few weeks of TV watching for an hour or two a day, I have been blown away with how good it looks - even with a white screen so close to the ceiling (it is about 8 inches from white ceiling tile, and 3 inches from a white soffit that is near the first foot or so on the right side). No motion issues I could detect.

In terms of ambient light, i have two windows right near the screen that I put blackout shades on - the picture definitely degrades with the lights near the screen on, but lights in the back of the room provide needed light without affecting the picture - and the image is so bright it lights up the front of the room. I have been running the projector on cinema mode, eco.

The room is 12' wide by 23' long, with seating and projector at 12' from the screen. Bought a monoprice mount for like 15 bucks and modified it so that it only dropped about 10 inches. Initially I had to keep adjusting the lens shift, but it seems to have settled. I did put in a beam to isolate the projector from the floor joists above, to prevent bouncing when people upstairs walk.

Watched one movie; it was formatted to 2:35 format, so it had the black bars...and they looked black to me. I need to get a bluray next time; the picture quality didnt seem that great to me - and i had to put it on natural/not eco to get the picture bright enough.

I picked up the projector in early january at Best Buy; they price matched amazon. with all the reported problems here, I wanted to buy local - and I picked up the extended warranty (which I almost never do) just in case something does go wrong.

Bottom line, I am ecstatic - and happy I went with this (at the moment) over the panny ar100u. I will probably paint up a gray screen at some point - light scenes show defects on the screen (there are some factory wrinkles in the screen, like the material got ironed onto itself) that I can easily switch out with the white screen. If I could have bought the ar100u locally, I probably would have gotten that one though.

I have about 30 hours of use, so these are initial impressions - but overall, the picture quality is much better than I expected it to be. It probably helps I have a relatively small screen mounted relatively close. No regrets!
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post #7790 of 8163
2/6/13 at 10:52am
I am currently building a home theater. I'm new to the projector world. I am pretty set on the 8350 based on price and features. But, can someone just confirm. I was wanting to do a 120" diagonal AT screen. According to projector central calculator I should have the projector mounted at 16' from screen. I currently have the mount at 15' do I need to move it the 1 foot? (not a big deal at this point in construction) Or is there a +/- on the that? Also there isn't an issue with projecting it as 120" right? The Epson site says this is for 100". Again be gentle... I am still learning. The room has no windows and will be completely light controlled. Thanks for your help.

Jamie
Dripping Springs, Tx
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post #7791 of 8163
2/6/13 at 1:11pm
without looking at the site to verify, I think you are fine. 16 ft would probably be at middle of zoom. search for coderguy calculator I found that much more useful. on mobile at moment so can not easily check
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post #7792 of 8163
2/6/13 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by JamieMcShan View Post

I am currently building a home theater. I'm new to the projector world. I am pretty set on the 8350 based on price and features. But, can someone just confirm. I was wanting to do a 120" diagonal AT screen. According to projector central calculator I should have the projector mounted at 16' from screen. I currently have the mount at 15' do I need to move it the 1 foot? (not a big deal at this point in construction) Or is there a +/- on the that? Also there isn't an issue with projecting it as 120" right? The Epson site says this is for 100". Again be gentle... I am still learning. The room has no windows and will be completely light controlled. Thanks for your help.

Jamie
Dripping Springs, Tx

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/ is coderguys calc, if you want to look at numbers. Using a 120" screen, the throw distance will be from about 12' out to 25', but.... you'll start loosing brightness dropping below 12 fl past about 14'. The bulb will dim as it ages as well, so leave yourself some room on the brightness scale. I'd suggest you stay within the 12'-14' range, unless you get a higher gain screen. Going from a 1.0 to a 1.3 gain screen would allow you to set the pj back about 18'.
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post #7793 of 8163
2/6/13 at 7:27pm
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Originally Posted by JamieMcShan View Post

I am currently building a home theater. I'm new to the projector world. I am pretty set on the 8350 based on price and features. But, can someone just confirm. I was wanting to do a 120" diagonal AT screen. According to projector central calculator I should have the projector mounted at 16' from screen. I currently have the mount at 15' do I need to move it the 1 foot? (not a big deal at this point in construction) Or is there a +/- on the that? Also there isn't an issue with projecting it as 120" right? The Epson site says this is for 100". Again be gentle... I am still learning. The room has no windows and will be completely light controlled. Thanks for your help.

Jamie
Dripping Springs, Tx

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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/ is coderguys calc, if you want to look at numbers. Using a 120" screen, the throw distance will be from about 12' out to 25', but.... you'll start loosing brightness dropping below 12 fl past about 14'. The bulb will dim as it ages as well, so leave yourself some room on the brightness scale. I'd suggest you stay within the 12'-14' range, unless you get a higher gain screen. Going from a 1.0 to a 1.3 gain screen would allow you to set the pj back about 18'.

I mostly concur, with the added recommendation that you do indeed use a 120" diag. High Contrast Gray Screen w/1.2 - 1.3 gain, set the PJ at 12' 10" throw. and then do all your calibration in "Living Room / Low Lamp" mode.

Such a configuration plays to the strengths and compensates for the weaknesses of the 8350.

There are both effective Mfg and DIY Screen solutions to effect the above. A wise choice will reward you with something better than you were expecting. wink.gif
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post #7794 of 8163
2/7/13 at 8:04am
I was going to go with the Seymour AV 1.2 AT screen. So you are saying I actually need to move it closer to the screen?
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post #7795 of 8163
2/7/13 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

ELEVEN projectors between 2 humans? Insane.

Are these refurbs? At what point do you just try another brand/model?
What kind of issues have you experienced? Don't you both run 20-30db+ hot bass in your rooms? I wonder if that has an effect?

I'm so sick of this I'm nearly ready to can the idea...I realize that virtually every CEM in existence is prone to the seemingly limitless scrutiny of avs-goers, but PJs have to be the worst.

Benq1070 : (seemingly) significant firmware, quality control, build quality, and hardware issues. +RBE extremely limited placement options
Epson 3020: no 24fps (sig judder) more convergence issues, dust blobs
Epson 8350: blobs, auto iris issues, convergence issues

Take your pic. I realize these are "entry level" PJs, but for $1,000+ you'd like to think sig issues would be less frequent...or perhaps they are and is isn't far removed than some returning LCD TVs 6 times because they don't like the drawbacks inherent to the tech.

Sigh. At least the 8350 seems to have the best combo of black levels, light output, and placement versatility. That's why I keep coming back to it, I suppose.


Arrrrg.

James

With all its faults I still like my projector the picture looks awesome. I am on my 6th but here is how it worked. My first one had the auto iris error, the first replacement they sent couldn't focus the whole screen at the same time. The next replacement was fine for a long time but developed a really bad dust blob so I sent it back. The replacement for that the focus ring wouldn't move at all, the next replacement couldn't focus, and then the final replacement is the one I still have.

So really I've used 3 projectors, the other 3 were immediately returned as soon as I got them because they had major problems that were obvious as soon as I turned them on. All 3 of those were refurbished.

Buyer beware, but when it's working right it looks great.
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post #7796 of 8163
2/7/13 at 8:38am
I usually run around 6-8 hot on bass, and depending on the music sometimes I even run it flat. Since I bought the Noesis speakers I've dialed the bass back quite a bit.
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post #7797 of 8163
2/8/13 at 6:36am
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Originally Posted by JamieMcShan View Post

I was going to go with the Seymour AV 1.2 AT screen. So you are saying I actually need to move it closer to the screen?

Yes. Decrease throw distance, increase Foot Lambert s, and then run the PJ in Low Lamp Mode.

That will allow you to obtain the deepest contrast possible from the 8350 on a 1.2 gain white surface.
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post #7798 of 8163
2/8/13 at 7:43am
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Originally Posted by JamieMcShan View Post

I was going to go with the Seymour AV 1.2 AT screen. So you are saying I actually need to move it closer to the screen?
I'll add a differing opinion...if you've already got the mount bolted in somewhere, it seems a bit silly to me to go through much effort to remount it just to push it forward by a foot. But if you're truly *building* a dedicated, light-controlled, super-dark-wall/ceiling home theater, and want everything as perfect as it can be, then perhaps moving the mount a foot closer will be worthwhile (note: I am not endorsing the previous suggestions as actually being the optimal position - they may be, I really don't know).

FWIW, in my personal case, I am using my 8350 in a living room that has very poor light control, a white ceiling (which, to my favor, is very high up) and light yellow walls. I did replace the off-white carpet recently with a very dark brown/olive, so there's that. I'm also pairing it with a Da-Lite High Power screen, and have the projector mounted very close to eye-level to maximize the gain boost that this screen offers. As such, many purists would scoff at my setup because I will not get the best possible blacks. I'll add that I'm also perfectly content with my non-lossless audio and 5.1 speakers (as opposed to, say, 7.1 or more). OTOH, I did want to maximize my screen size for movies, and I bought the biggest, widest screen that could fit on my wall in a 2.35:1 format, because that *was* important to me. The light colored walls, non-optimal acoustics, and lossy, 5.1 audio decisions were made because I knew that a dedicated black-painted home theater would not be as cozy and comfortable and, therefore, would get used less, lossless audio would require me to use HTPC playback software that didn't have a consistent UI and ease-of-use across multiple platforms (like my iPhone) whereas the Plex software I use is great in that regard (but lacks/lacked lossless audio support). And adding more speakers would add further "eyesores" to my living room, which my wife would not be pleased with (and, I don't think the added audio impact would be jawdroppingly significant - but YMMV).

Sorry for the rant...just pointing out that there are a wide variety of folks who frequent the AVS forums nowadays. In the past, it seemed like dedicated black-painted home theaters were a common goal among most members, but I don't think that one can make the assumption now that most/all of the members here subscribe to that viewpoint.
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post #7799 of 8163
2/10/13 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by tpoynton View Post

Thought I would throw my two cents in randomly here...maybe someone will find it useful some day.

First time projector owner who did a ton of research/reading. I picked up the 8350 about three weeks ago, using it mostly for TV and sports. Have a 90" home made screen (had an elite roll-down from my traveling presentation days that I cut out and stapled onto a velvet-covered wood frame). Here were my main concerns:

low white ceiling - would picture get washed out?
motion in sports - would it look bad?
ambient light - is the projector bright enough?

other requirement - lens shift for placement flexibility

After the super bowl and a few weeks of TV watching for an hour or two a day, I have been blown away with how good it looks - even with a white screen so close to the ceiling (it is about 8 inches from white ceiling tile, and 3 inches from a white soffit that is near the first foot or so on the right side). No motion issues I could detect.

In terms of ambient light, i have two windows right near the screen that I put blackout shades on - the picture definitely degrades with the lights near the screen on, but lights in the back of the room provide needed light without affecting the picture - and the image is so bright it lights up the front of the room. I have been running the projector on cinema mode, eco.

The room is 12' wide by 23' long, with seating and projector at 12' from the screen. Bought a monoprice mount for like 15 bucks and modified it so that it only dropped about 10 inches. Initially I had to keep adjusting the lens shift, but it seems to have settled. I did put in a beam to isolate the projector from the floor joists above, to prevent bouncing when people upstairs walk.

Watched one movie; it was formatted to 2:35 format, so it had the black bars...and they looked black to me. I need to get a bluray next time; the picture quality didnt seem that great to me - and i had to put it on natural/not eco to get the picture bright enough.

I picked up the projector in early january at Best Buy; they price matched amazon. with all the reported problems here, I wanted to buy local - and I picked up the extended warranty (which I almost never do) just in case something does go wrong.

Bottom line, I am ecstatic - and happy I went with this (at the moment) over the panny ar100u. I will probably paint up a gray screen at some point - light scenes show defects on the screen (there are some factory wrinkles in the screen, like the material got ironed onto itself) that I can easily switch out with the white screen. If I could have bought the ar100u locally, I probably would have gotten that one though.

I have about 30 hours of use, so these are initial impressions - but overall, the picture quality is much better than I expected it to be. It probably helps I have a relatively small screen mounted relatively close. No regrets!

My experience with the 8350 has been similar. I've owned it for less than 6 months and have about 300 hours on the bulb. I moved up from a Mits HC1500 720P DLP unit to the Epson. Overall I've been very pleased with the image and all the other aspects of the projector. My biggest gripe with the HC1500 was the noise, between the fan and the color wheel, even in eco mode, it was too distracting for me. The 8350 is about 3 times quieter.

My screen is a Carada 96" High Contrast Grey fixed to the wall, blacks appear very nice on this screen. My HT room is light controlled, the projector is 13' back from the screen, mounted 10" below the ceiling which is slightly above the screen to get the unit as far away as possible from the seating directly below. I'm using all the lens shift the unit has to give and the picture geometry appears 99% square. I think it is difficult for me to get the picture 100% correct as no wall is perfectly flat and even though I have a fixed screen it is still mounted to a wall that is not perfectly flat. Also, I needed to put the projector at a very slight angle to get the last 0.25" of picture at the top of the screen so that's not helping but I didn't want to add a down rod.

The picture focus from corner to corner of the screen is also not perfect, it is slightly soft at the extreme top and bottom of the picture but I can't say that the softness isn't due to my setup. If I wanted to pursue perfection, I would add the down rod and move the projector more inline with the screen. The softness is not at all noticeable when watching TV or movies, I only notice it when running my HTPC and looking at text.

I have not had any issues with the Auto Iris, I only hear it working when the picture goes almost entirely black for more than a few seconds, I can hear it stopping down for a second but when the picture gets bright again I don't hear the iris opening back up. If it really bothered me I would just turn off the Auto Iris but since it gives better blacks I will keep it active.

Overall I'd say this is a really good projector for the money, my cost was only $1,070 new so it was quite a bit cheaper than the next closest contender.
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post #7800 of 8163
2/13/13 at 4:51pm
So I bit the bullet and bought a refurb 8350 from VA last Friday. It finally arrived today.

My initial impression is that it is much bigger than I expected! And the lens looks like a serious piece of glass.

So I quick hooked it up to an iogear wireless HDMI receiver, removed the lens stabilizing foam thingy and turned it on.

The range of adjustment for shift is amazing! But the mechanism is under damped and it moves whenever I adjusted zoom (or even looked at it funny...).

But then the kicker: the focus ring is stuck! Won't move a bit. I am concerned that if I apply any more torque I will break something. I must have spent 30 mins trying to see if there was some mechanical lock for the focus. I can't find one.

I gave Epson a call and they are cross shipping a replacement. But I am bummed!!! It won't get here until Monday and they have to put a hold on my credit card to make sure I return the defective unit.

Not a great first impression! Hopefully the next unit will work!
Salem
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