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post #8041 of 8634
Hello Everyone,

I'm currently on the fence between the 8350 and Panasonic AR100U. I have read much of this thread as well as another that directly compares these two projectors. But I'm most interested in hearing from current owners of the 8350; specifically would you buy the same projector today given all that you know. Also, which would you recommend given my circumstances below?:


My room is in the basement with no windows or light leakage. I have just over a dozen recessed pot lights and most viewing will be pitch black (movies / concerts) with the occassional sporting event where the lights will be on but dimmed. All the TVs in our home are Plasmas so I do value a quality picture above just about anything else (though my budget has me looking at the projectors above). I plan to splurge on an Elunevision Reference 4K 1.0 White Fixed Screen though as the plan is to get a 4K projector in a few years. The screen will be 108" and the projector will be ceiling mounted 12' away.

Up until reading about all the dust ball and lamp issues I was sure it would be the 8350. I can pick it up locally for $200 less than the Panasonic and my understanding is that the 8350 has a bitter picture given my viewing habits. Now I'm confused!!! Is the 8350 really that much better than the AR100U in a darkened room?
post #8042 of 8634
I'm using a refurbed 8350, my first and hopefully last one. I'm projecting a 106" image at about 15 feet in a room that's all white, far from ideal. My plasma is now only used for "casual" viewing, while the projector gets the bulk of my gaming and movie watching. My opinion of the 8350- you can have it when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
post #8043 of 8634
Can't really compare to other projectors as this is the only one I've seen in this price range but I would say I would buy one again but wouldn't recommend it to anyone else if that makes sense. I love the picture and was able to get one with almost perfect convergence (I originally wrote lucky enough to get one with almost perfect convergence but took out the 'lucky enough' as I have no actual stats to say if you have to be lucky to get one like that or unlucky to get a poor one) so it is great for me. This thread though makes it unlikely I would recommend to someone else as there does seem to be quite a few issues that may or may not be of concern for others.
post #8044 of 8634
If you can buy it locally and they have a good return policy, there is no reason not to try the 8350 is that is the direction you are already leaning.
post #8045 of 8634
Hey guys! Been lurking here for a while. In the process of finishing my basement. A portion of it I am making into a rec/media room.

I am having an issue with a brand new Epson 8350 I am using.

It is ceiling mounted shooting about 13 feet to a 100inch Elite Acoustical Transparent Screen. As shown in the picture below (screen shot taken from a xbox game) I am getting vertical lines appearing in all of the pictures the projector produces (the pic below is not the greatest but gives you the idea of the problem).

The lines are horrible when showing white or bright colors. They appear when I have the projector in perfect focus. If I move the lens out of focus the slightest amount the lines disappear. They remain when zooming in and out (although the orientation of the lines change when zooming in and out).

I ruled out video source (happens on both xbox, fios box, and laptop). I ruled out cabling (tried 3 different HDMI on each projector HDMI input). Even remains when displaying the grid (blue alignment screen) on the screen with no inputs plugged in.

Called Epson and they concluded it was a defective unit. I received a replacement and the lines are still present but not nearly as bad as the first unit.

Any ideas what it could be? I would have thought the Epson tech on the phone would have pointed me to some kind of setting on the unit if that was the issue. Am I just unlucky to have 2 bad units in a row?

Thanks for any help!
Ryan











post #8046 of 8634
screen maybe?
post #8047 of 8634
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Originally Posted by kumanzc View Post

screen maybe?


I considered the screen but the lines disappear when moving the picture in and out of focus. Plus the direction of the lines change orientation when zooming in and out. For example they are nearly verticle in the picture i posted, but if I zoom the lens out or in the lines will rotate nearly horizontal.

Ryan
post #8048 of 8634
I figured the screen was a longshot but 2 in a row with an issue that I haven't read about yet on this thread seems like it has to be something other than the projector but looks like you have ruled out most everything else. Have you tried another power source?
post #8049 of 8634
Thread Starter 
It is the screen Guys.

Morie effect...and absolutely it will change with focus and zoom alterations. The pattern of weave / holes is aligning with the vertical pixel grid of the Display, and accentuating it because the PJ's bright light also causes the casting of shadows within /on the edges of every vertical opening.

Prove it to yourself. Go get a White Pillowcase or any other sizable, smooth white surface and hang it in the center of the screen.
post #8050 of 8634
woohoo! What do I win?
post #8051 of 8634
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTA Beancounter View Post

Hello Everyone,

I'm currently on the fence between the 8350 and Panasonic AR100U. Now I'm confused!!! Is the 8350 really that much better than the AR100U in a darkened room?

Don't be confused. The 8350's ability to convey deeper contrast is well known. The AR100U's brightness works against such...and in your circumstance would be even harder pressed with all those white reflective surfaces. Nothing worse than having the entire pitch dark room light up when a brighter scene comes on.

Now that is going to happen to an extent with ANY PJ if your room surfaces remain as they are, so get used to that idea. But a PJ that has better Contrast specifications will always show a better image under adverse circumstances than one that has lessor contrast, or whose brightness only serves to exacerbate such an issue.

As for the issues you see mentioned (Dust & Lamp) all I can say to that is out of over 20 -8350s I've been associated with, only two ever had Lamp replacements prior to 2500 hours, and none have ever had Dust blobs or Discolored Panel issues. One got "lightning zapped" and it's HDMI Inputs were fried. But that's it. The expensive JVCs I've installed? Horrible PITA-s !
I don't even do JVC anymore. mad.gif

It's been said before...on this, the Worlds largest A/V Forum, one that gets by far the most links to via searches, that a disproportionate number of unhappy Owners wind up finding it as a place to express their woes. But that amounts to only "Tens of Tens"...not even close to Hundreds.

That said, your mileage may vary. I can only encourage you to go for it, and accept that Epson's Customer Service is still rated among the Industry's best, and by purchasing a unit new means you at least start out fresh...not refurbished. You can pick it up New locally? Why are you still standing there? eek.gif If it's bogus out of the Box...it goes immediately back. If it's pristine...just keep the Filters clean, treat it with respect by installing it properly and usinging it appropriately, and you'll get your money's worth out of it, believe me.
post #8052 of 8634
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by kumanzc View Post

woohoo! What do I win?

Whatever is left over. cool.gif


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post #8053 of 8634
Thanks MississippiMan
I'll give it a shot.... construction will be done in about 4 weeks and I'll post my thoughts on it then.
post #8054 of 8634
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Originally Posted by rccarps2 View Post

Hey guys! Been lurking here for a while. In the process of finishing my basement. A portion of it I am making into a rec/media room.

I am having an issue with a brand new Epson 8350 I am using.

It is ceiling mounted shooting about 13 feet to a 100inch Elite Acoustical Transparent Screen. As shown in the picture below (screen shot taken from a xbox game) I am getting vertical lines appearing in all of the pictures the projector produces (the pic below is not the greatest but gives you the idea of the problem).

The lines are horrible when showing white or bright colors. They appear when I have the projector in perfect focus. If I move the lens out of focus the slightest amount the lines disappear. They remain when zooming in and out (although the orientation of the lines change when zooming in and out).

I ruled out video source (happens on both xbox, fios box, and laptop). I ruled out cabling (tried 3 different HDMI on each projector HDMI input). Even remains when displaying the grid (blue alignment screen) on the screen with no inputs plugged in.

Called Epson and they concluded it was a defective unit. I received a replacement and the lines are still present but not nearly as bad as the first unit.

Unfortunately if the lines are not as bad with the new one then chances are it is not as sharp as your first one!!

I am pretty sure any other 1080p projector from the same distance and the same zoom will show the same problem. The sharper the worse!! Maybe one with a higher pixel fill would have less moire?

Good luck!
Salem
post #8055 of 8634
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Originally Posted by HTPC_Dude View Post

Yep, worked great. It was easy, just follow his instructions, I also posted a few weeks back with some additional comments. If my projector develops dust blobs again I know what to do now. I don't know if the dust was in the projector from the factory or accumulated after running (I have less than 300 hrs so far). If from the factory then I would not expect to have any further issues.


Thanks Dude, appreciate your reply smile.gif
post #8056 of 8634
Hi guys I am soon to be a new Epson 8350 owner and wanted to ask some advice please and thank you. I am going to be projecting on my wall in my room and the wall measures 11 feet and half inch by 6ft 9 inches. Along the bottom 11and a half inch part of the wall is a 4.5 inch baseboard/trim. My goal was to use the entire wall corner to corner screen size. The projector is gonna be hooked up to HTPC is this something i can actually do? corner to corner screen? or should my screen but slightly smaller to adhere to 16:9 standards? I wanna utilize every mm of the wall i can for screen but not without adhering to proper 16:9 for media and game playing. Thanks for your time and suggestions
post #8057 of 8634
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Originally Posted by bradtn View Post

Hi guys I am soon to be a new Epson 8350 owner and wanted to ask some advice please and thank you. I am going to be projecting on my wall in my room and the wall measures 11 feet and half inch by 6ft 9 inches. Along the bottom 11and a half inch part of the wall is a 4.5 inch baseboard/trim. My goal was to use the entire wall corner to corner screen size. The projector is gonna be hooked up to HTPC is this something i can actually do? corner to corner screen? or should my screen but slightly smaller to adhere to 16:9 standards? I wanna utilize every mm of the wall i can for screen but not without adhering to proper 16:9 for media and game playing. Thanks for your time and suggestions
An 11 foot wide screen that is 16x9 would be about 74 inches tall so you would pretty much be filling up your whole wall's height with very small gaps above the baseboard and below the ceiling. This screen would be over 151" diagonal though which would mean you'd have to be sitting about 17ft away to have a 40 degree viewing angle. Viewing angle can be very subjective but unless your viewing position is 20 feet away most would say the screen is too big. This is all before even considering whether the projector can manage this size screen given the length of your room which I doubt (unless your room is 20+ feet long), not to mention that you may need a high gain screen.

If you provide the distance you expect to mount the projector from the screen as well as the room characteristics (windows ?), wall color etc. you will be more likely to get some good advice.
post #8058 of 8634
my sitting distance is going to be about 14 feet away. The projector is expected to be mounted maybe a few feet behind that?. Room has no windows and will be pitch black. I will be painting the wall with valpar premium interior egg white paint mixed to veil color by glidden as others have suggested. The Room is 22 feet and 3 and a half inches long and 11 and a half inch wide. I could probably spin my bed and make my sitting distance further if need be
Edited by bradtn - 4/26/13 at 11:34am
post #8059 of 8634

I'm on my third projector since 2001.  A Sony 10HT ($8,000 MSRP) for $4,500; a Sony AW15 for $1,075 and now the Epson 8350 for also $1,075.  Each unit became more "consumer" friendly recognizing standard timings/res like 720p & 1080i/p.  They each became cheaper as well (albeit the Epson is the first 1080p panel).  I've only replaced them when bulb costs drove me to buy.  Don't shortchange the Epson - it's a fantastic unit and remember: only those with issues are complaining/commenting on here... there are a bunch o' owners who just plain love them!  As for this forum - we're the ones who are looking for help and finding it... jump in the water's great!

post #8060 of 8634
It is a fantastic unit for the price. I think it is totally worth the risk for the benefits you get. I did have to send 1 unit back for green blob issue and overall poor picture. The second unit has been grand, except for the recurring, and disappearing green dust blob. I had one for a week, it went away for 4 mos. and now I have another. I can only see it when the image goes gray while the blu/dvd is loading and then it is gone. No one else notices, and it will most likely go away. If not I will send it back to Epson. They were good to deal with last time, and I got a new unit, since my first was only 2 wks old. I have a 2 yr warranty, which I extended thru square trade for another year, so I am set for another 2.3 yrs. No bulb issues. 1 auto iris error that happened when the room the unit is in was at 55 degrees F. Cleared it by off, on. Never came back. Overall, the picture cannot be beat. Minor convergence issues, but only up close. It seems all projectors have their quibbles, but Epsons are the best bang for the buck!
post #8061 of 8634
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bradtn View Post

Hi guys I am soon to be a new Epson 8350 owner and wanted to ask some advice please and thank you. I am going to be projecting on my wall in my room and the wall measures 11 feet and half inch by 6ft 9 inches. Along the bottom 11and a half inch part of the wall is a 4.5 inch baseboard/trim. My goal was to use the entire wall corner to corner screen size. The projector is gonna be hooked up to HTPC is this something i can actually do? corner to corner screen? or should my screen but slightly smaller to adhere to 16:9 standards? I wanna utilize every mm of the wall i can for screen but not without adhering to proper 16:9 for media and game playing. Thanks for your time and suggestions

Come over to the DIY Screens Forum http://www.avsforum.com/f/110/diy-screen-section

Start a Thread there. We have solutions that include screens w/gain that can achieve the size your looking for.
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Originally Posted by bradtn View Post

my sitting distance is going to be about 14 feet away. The projector is expected to be mounted maybe a few feet behind that?. Room has no windows and will be pitch black. I will be painting the wall with valpar premium interior egg white paint mixed to veil color by glidden as others have suggested. The Room is 22 feet and 3 and a half inches long and 11 and a half inch wide. I could probably spin my bed and make my sitting distance further if need be

Whoever suggested either Veil (Gray) or the use of a Eggshell sheen obviously did not put together the fact that you are contemplating a 151" screen, and /or is clueless as to the effects that sheen will have on a projected image.

There are affordable painted solutions that can accomplish your goals, some I've done personally using 700-800 lumen PJs on Screens up to a full 16' x 9', however there are certain criteria and methods that must be met and followed. You cannot effectively accomplish want your trying to get by grabbing a Roller and a simple can of gray paint.

As stated, these directed questions and their answers need to be addressed on DIY Screens, then if your answers come and your project is successful, your returning here with valuable input can benefit many others.
post #8062 of 8634
Ok I re-iterated my post there as directed thanks

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post #8063 of 8634
Hello AVS members,

I have been rocking an 8350 for over a year now without any issues. My first projector and I am really enjoying it!

Right now I have it sitting on a desk about 16ft away from the wall.

Finally time to invest in some electrical and cabling to mount properly on the ceiling. I have no experience and have spent some time reading through AVS trying to better understand what I am getting into. I have used both Epson's Calculator and Screen Innovations calculator to help determine mounting options.

My room is 21ft long and 12ft wide. The ceiling is 8.5ft high.

I am after the largest screen size possible in this room... primary purpose of PJ will be gaming and movies. I am thinking 133 or 150"... however not sure if I can pull it off.

Right now, projecting on the wall... I am over 150". not the best quality... but for my purposes, it works well. the dramatic picture makes up for slight PQ loss.

With the investment in wiring and a real screen... I will want and hopefully get, much better PQ.

Would appreciate some advice on screen size and PJ mounting position. These are my main questions... how big of a picture can I get? Will the projector really have to hang 3ft down from the ceiling as my research is showing? Where is the optimal PJ mount position for a big picture?

I am pretty open to any and all ideas... I am looking at monoprice's 133" & 150" fixed and motorized screens... price is awesome! .8 gain on the grey and 1.0 on the white. again... something I am not very experienced in.

Thanks for any and all advice!



Sam
post #8064 of 8634
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammajidi View Post

Hello AVS members,

I have been rocking an 8350 for over a year now without any issues. My first projector and I am really enjoying it!

Right now I have it sitting on a desk about 16ft away from the wall.

Finally time to invest in some electrical and cabling to mount properly on the ceiling. I have no experience and have spent some time reading through AVS trying to better understand what I am getting into. I have used both Epson's Calculator and Screen Innovations calculator to help determine mounting options.

My room is 21ft long and 12ft wide. The ceiling is 8.5ft high.

I am after the largest screen size possible in this room... primary purpose of PJ will be gaming and movies. I am thinking 133 or 150"... however not sure if I can pull it off.

Right now, projecting on the wall... I am over 150". not the best quality... but for my purposes, it works well. the dramatic picture makes up for slight PQ loss.

With the investment in wiring and a real screen... I will want and hopefully get, much better PQ.

Would appreciate some advice on screen size and PJ mounting position. These are my main questions... how big of a picture can I get? Will the projector really have to hang 3ft down from the ceiling as my research is showing? Where is the optimal PJ mount position for a big picture?

I am pretty open to any and all ideas... I am looking at monoprice's 133" & 150" fixed and motorized screens... price is awesome! .8 gain on the grey and 1.0 on the white. again... something I am not very experienced in.

Thanks for any and all advice!



Sam

How far from the screen will you be sitting? The white 1.0 will give you a slightly brighter image since your going to such a large screen. There are several distance calculators out there that can give you a real screen size to distance estimate but it sounds like you might get better all around results sticking around 130" or so inches unless you are planning on going all the way back 21' with your seats.
post #8065 of 8634
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammajidi View Post

Hello AVS members,

I have been rocking an 8350 for over a year now without any issues. My first projector and I am really enjoying it!

Right now I have it sitting on a desk about 16ft away from the wall.

Finally time to invest in some electrical and cabling to mount properly on the ceiling. I have no experience and have spent some time reading through AVS trying to better understand what I am getting into. I have used both Epson's Calculator and Screen Innovations calculator to help determine mounting options.

My room is 21ft long and 12ft wide. The ceiling is 8.5ft high.

I am after the largest screen size possible in this room... primary purpose of PJ will be gaming and movies. I am thinking 133 or 150"... however not sure if I can pull it off.

Right now, projecting on the wall... I am over 150". not the best quality... but for my purposes, it works well. the dramatic picture makes up for slight PQ loss.

With the investment in wiring and a real screen... I will want and hopefully get, much better PQ.

Would appreciate some advice on screen size and PJ mounting position. These are my main questions... how big of a picture can I get? Will the projector really have to hang 3ft down from the ceiling as my research is showing? Where is the optimal PJ mount position for a big picture?

I am pretty open to any and all ideas... I am looking at monoprice's 133" & 150" fixed and motorized screens... price is awesome! .8 gain on the grey and 1.0 on the white. again... something I am not very experienced in.

Thanks for any and all advice!



Sam

How far from the screen will you be sitting? The white 1.0 will give you a slightly brighter image since your going to such a large screen. There are several distance calculators out there that can give you a real screen size to distance estimate but it sounds like you might get better all around results sticking around 130" or so inches unless you are planning on going all the way back 21' with your seats.
post #8066 of 8634
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammajidi View Post

Hello AVS members,

I have been rocking an 8350 for over a year now without any issues. My first projector and I am really enjoying it!

Right now I have it sitting on a desk about 16ft away from the wall.

Finally time to invest in some electrical and cabling to mount properly on the ceiling. I have no experience and have spent some time reading through AVS trying to better understand what I am getting into. I have used both Epson's Calculator and Screen Innovations calculator to help determine mounting options.

My room is 21ft long and 12ft wide. The ceiling is 8.5ft high.

I am after the largest screen size possible in this room... primary purpose of PJ will be gaming and movies. I am thinking 133 or 150"... however not sure if I can pull it off.

Right now, projecting on the wall... I am over 150". not the best quality... but for my purposes, it works well. the dramatic picture makes up for slight PQ loss.

With the investment in wiring and a real screen... I will want and hopefully get, much better PQ.

Would appreciate some advice on screen size and PJ mounting position. These are my main questions... how big of a picture can I get? Will the projector really have to hang 3ft down from the ceiling as my research is showing? Where is the optimal PJ mount position for a big picture?

I am pretty open to any and all ideas... I am looking at monoprice's 133" & 150" fixed and motorized screens... price is awesome! .8 gain on the grey and 1.0 on the white. again... something I am not very experienced in.

Thanks for any and all advice!



Sam

Try plugging in your numbers in this calc, made by one of AVS's gurus. http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/ You'll be able to get some distance/screen info and also see the difference in how brightness will be affected as well. Mounted at the closest, 14' 11" away, onto a 150" and using a 1.3 gain screen, looks like you'll still need to run the pj in high lamp mode and still only get around 13fl's on a new bulb, dropping down to about 10fl's after around 500 hrs on the bulb? 13.3' feet away on a 133" 1.3 gain screen might be better, getting you around 13fl's in low lamp mode and around 17fl's in high mode.

Generally, closer the pj is mounted to the screen, the brighter the image, and further away will usually equal to better contrast, however the brightness will suffer some especially when your trying to light up a screen of 150". With the lens shift capabilities of the pj, you shouldn't need to mount it as far down as 3'. You should be able to mount it just about as close to the ceiling as you want.
post #8067 of 8634
Quote:
Originally Posted by sammajidi View Post

My room is 21ft long and 12ft wide. The ceiling is 8.5ft high.
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Would appreciate some advice on screen size and PJ mounting position. These are my main questions... how big of a picture can I get? Will the projector really have to hang 3ft down from the ceiling as my research is showing? Where is the optimal PJ mount position for a big picture?

I have a 14 ft wide room that is about 20 ft deep, but my ceiling is only 8 ft. My 8350 is about 14 ft from a 135" screen. The bottom of the screen is about 22" from the floor. That is not a lot of space.... you could fit a 150" wide screen, but you would not have much space under the screen for components. That may not matter in your room, it does in mine. I had to find a very low table else my 8" tall center channel would be in the image. Your room is taller than mine though, which will help.

Also, you will not need to drop the PJ 3 feet from the ceiling. Mine is about 6" down, the absolute minimum the mount allows, and has PLENTY of lens shift to do the job. Of course, it is a good idea to make the PJ as centered as you can, since the horizontal/vertical shift amounts are tied together.

If it helps, I have a cheap ebay Antra screen with 1.1 gain, and in a light-controlled room the Epson's dimmer Cinema mode, with the dim Eco lamp setting, still makes for a nice picture at 135".

Hope this helps.
post #8068 of 8634
I am looking at an 8350 for my nxt projector and this thread has invaluable help. Just so I can do all my due diligence what are the rivals to this projector In terms of picture and build quality and priced under $1,500\ and why have users here gone with the 8350? Thanks.
post #8069 of 8634
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by IRJ View Post

I am looking at an 8350 for my nxt projector and this thread has invaluable help. Just so I can do all my due diligence what are the rivals to this projector In terms of picture and build quality and priced under $1,500\ and why have users here gone with the 8350? Thanks.


That's the thing.....there are really no PJs that have the 8350's complete feature set and lumen output at it's current price point.

The are a few that are almost /are as bright as...or brighter. And some without Lens Shift that produce better black levels (DLPs primarily)

What really needs to be determined as being best for you personally is the Room's use, build, lighting, and Screen size / make-up.

Those are what really determine a give PJ's usefulness and value to a end user overall. Relate some facts concerning your given circumstances and we'll see what sakes out.
post #8070 of 8634
The lens shift is the BIG selling point. After that the specs are at or beyond the competition. I would never say this baby isn't bright enough and the blacks are above average for the price range. I just recommend a grey screen for the added blacks and it looks marvelous.
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