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post #61 of 970
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Originally Posted by undecided View Post

I would be very cautious in using ANY of their suggestions.

Thanks. Will probably continue to ignore that site then

Now, maybe I just need to start calling LG all the time asking about how to get the Trumotion effects to be more consistent. I tried watching stuff with it turned off, but then everything just looks awful and blurry. And, while panning-motions usually look great with it on, it seems to "hiccup" a lot and go back to juddering. Also, fast movement of people causes a lot of artifacting. I really wish the Trumotion was more consistent as there is a lot to like about this TV otherwise!
post #62 of 970
Well, I think I've finally figured out the judder problem. I had noticed that some video looks better than others. (Mainly, some TV channels look better than others.) Also, video feeds from my computer were always spotty. Was trying to find the right settings on the TV to fix this but never could... Tried different video resolutions from my computer (720p, 1080p/30, 1080p/60, 1080i) with nothing seeming to help...

Anyway, tonight decided to check out how video looks streamed by either the TV or the Blu-ray player from my network drive and it looks simply stunning! Completely smooth motion with absolutely no stutter! So, the TV is clearly capable of the amazing 2D picture I thought I saw at the store. Now, what the heck is the problem???

I've tried both VLC and Quicktime for playing video from my iMac. VLC worked great most of the time before but Quicktime seemed to be working a lot better tonight... Or, is it hardware and not software? Maybe the video output from my computer is spotty? Or is it the MiniDisplayport-to-HDMI cable? Is the 15 foot cable too long? Should I try the 10 foot cable? Or is the 32AWG too small and I should just get a MiniDisplayport-to-HDMI adapter and a beefy 24AWG HDMI cable?

Thanks for any feedback/help!
post #63 of 970
INPUT: TV

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 25
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: High
Digital Noise Reduction: Low
Gamma: High
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On
post #64 of 970
INPUT: DTV

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 25
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Low
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: High
Black Level: Auto
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On
post #65 of 970
INPUT: AV (Satellite or Cable)

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 25
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Low
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: High
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On
post #66 of 970
INPUT: Component (DVD)

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 25
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: High
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: User (Judder: 0, Blur: 10)
LED Local Dimming: On
post #67 of 970
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Originally Posted by spdntrxi View Post

well there is a 1999 deal that includes the 3d Bd player.. but I have that already... and it aint worth 400 bucks.

Amazon is now offering similar deals (with free Blu-ray player and 3D glasses) for Panasonic, Samsung and Sony 3D Tv's (all under two thousand dollars with free shipping). I wonder how those sets will compare with our LG? I would guess the 3D picture would be better on those than on the LG, but hopefully LG will release firmware updates to improve the 3D picture quality. Also, the Panasonic set has a feature to convert 2D to 3D, but I have not seen how that scaling would actually look in real life.
post #68 of 970
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Originally Posted by sarqmusic View Post

INPUT: Component (DVD)

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 25
Contrast: 80
Brightness: 70
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: High
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: On
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: User (Judder: 0, Blur: 10)
LED Local Dimming: On

sarqmusic, thanks for your settings. Are you using this setting for a Blu-ray player? If so, how does the 3D look with this setting?
post #69 of 970
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Originally Posted by lazura View Post

sarqmusic, thanks for your settings. Are you using this setting for a Blu-ray player? If so, how does the 3D look with this setting?

It doesn't really let you change settings for 3D, does it...?
post #70 of 970
Has anyone used the Picture Wizard?
post #71 of 970
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Originally Posted by lazura View Post

sarqmusic, thanks for your settings. Are you using this setting for a Blu-ray player? If so, how does the 3D look with this setting?

I still have not used this setting for a Blu-ray. I will buy my first player on December.

I made this settings using the THX Optimizer for all the inputs, but I don't know if the HDMI image is a bit different than the component input. Component gives better blacks than AV or coaxial, but you can match them with the gamma level.
post #72 of 970
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Originally Posted by StarmanDXE View Post

It doesn't really let you change settings for 3D, does it...?

I think it's not possible you can change settings for 3D, because when you turn on this mode, it adjusts the image automatically and it doesn't let you enter to menu.
post #73 of 970
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Originally Posted by sarqmusic View Post

I think it's not possible you can change settings for 3D, because when you turn on this mode, it adjusts the image automatically and it doesn't let you enter to menu.

Correct:

It turns off Local Dimming as well.
post #74 of 970
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Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post

Has anyone used the Picture Wizard?

I tried initially using Picture Wizard, but the whites look dull and yellowing. However, I have tried again a few hours ago mixing the values obtained with Picture Wizard and THX Optimizer, getting an even better result.
Now whites are truly neutral and without any shade of color, unlike the configuration already published which are brighter, but whites get a little purple in some cases. Blacks also improved allowing appreciate all the shades of gray as with the previous values.
post #75 of 970
These are the new settings with which I will stay.


INPUT: TV

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 35
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: High
Digital Noise Reduction: Low
Gamma: High
Black Level: High
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On


INPUT: DTV

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 35
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Low
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: Low
Black Level: Auto
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On


INPUT: AV (Satellite or Cable)

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 35
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Low
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: High
Black Level: High
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: High
LED Local Dimming: On


INPUT: Component (DVD)

Energy Saving: Medium
Picture Mode: Cinema
Backlight: 35
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 50
Sharpness: 50
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Medium
Dynamic Color: High
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: High
Digital Noise Reduction: High
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: High
Real Cinema: On
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: User (Judder: 0, Blur: 10)
LED Local Dimming: On
post #76 of 970
My TV comes in on Friday, I will use those settings and let you know how it looks straight out the box! Thanks!
post #77 of 970
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Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post

My TV comes in on Friday, I will use those settings and let you know how it looks straight out the box! Thanks!

Those settings look a bit washed-out to me. I just tweaked the "Standard" setting to my liking and I think it looks better



Also, in case anyone is following my anti-judder saga, I've determined a few more things:
  • The anti-judder performance depends largely on the media:
    • Different programs on the same channel perform differently.
      • On TBS HD, The Office looks horrible while Lopez Tonight (it just happened to be on, I don't watch it regularly, I swear!) looks great
      • Sports almost always look great while drams and the like tend to suffer.
    • Certain videos streamed by the TV (DLNA-style) look great while others don't.
  • The anti-judder performance also depends largely on the source:
    • Some video files look great streamed by the TV and look awful streamed by the Blu-ray player (LG BX-580) and vice versa!
    • Most all video is extremly iffy playing from my computer via HDMI. I blame my computer:
      • I believe that the on-board video hardware in my base-model late 2009 iMac just doesn't have enough power to handle two 1920x1080 displays.
      • Things look better when the 2nd display is set to 720p instead of 1080p

So... what's the deal here? Does a digital cable box just help to uniformize the video the TV sees? Or is the TV completely to blame here for not being able to handle a good variety of video qualities?

Regardless, I think the optimal solution here might be to find a video format that the TV is particularly good at playing and convert all video files for DLNA streaming directly by/to the TV...

Edit: Oh, but wait, that's right: My TV has major issues with folder structure on my networked USB HDD. It basically just shows the video files as being in any ol' folder it feels like (if it even shows them at all) whereas the Blu-ray player has absolutely no problem reading the folder structure on the HDD. WTF...
post #78 of 970
Starman, do you think that this is a problem on all television sets or just this one having the inability to adapt to different sources?

Also, can you post your settings?
post #79 of 970
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post

Starman, do you think that this is a problem on all television sets or just this one having the inability to adapt to different sources?

Honestly, I don't know. I got my parents a 46" 120Hz Sony last Christmas and never noticed any of the artifacting I see on this TV (with some sources). However, they have a cable box. So, I'm wondering if that's part of the reason why?

Regardless, due to the iffy video quality my computer is feeding the TV (I think it drops frames and doesn't refresh at a particularly great rate), I suspect the TV can only do so much with what it's given...


Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post

Also, can you post your settings?

Sure, I'll post 'em when I get home. However, I think the "best" picture settings are quite subjective in nature


Quote:
Originally Posted by StarmanDXE View Post

Edit: Oh, but wait, that's right: My TV has major issues with folder structure on my networked USB HDD. It basically just shows the video files as being in any ol' folder it feels like (if it even shows them at all) whereas the Blu-ray player has absolutely no problem reading the folder structure on the HDD. WTF...

Oh, and this is basically what I'm dealing with: http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewto...p?f=76&t=35404

No clue what's up with the "(null)" folders or why the TV has issues but the Blu-ray player doesn't...
post #80 of 970
I jumped on the $1549 deal with four 3d glasses, as did my brother. Learned so much from the site already, but will continue to learn more! Hope the TV is OK, found some really great reviews, and some not so great. For the price, I'm sure it'll be more than adequate though!
post #81 of 970
Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post
Starman, do you think that this is a problem on all television sets or just this one having the inability to adapt to different sources?
Was at Sears looking for that clearance HD antenna (which they sadly didn't have), but also took a look at some Samsung and Sony TVs there. It's really hard to gage a TV in the store standing there, not sitting and relaxing in your home... But I do think the Samsung and Sony exhibited some of the same artifacting that this TV does. I suspect I just sat farther from my parents' TV and/or the cable box helps to smooth out some of the hiccups.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mister_tu View Post
Also, can you post your settings?
These are the settings I like:

Energy Saving: Minimum
Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 60
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 55
Sharpness: 55
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Dynamic Color: Off
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Auto
Eye Care: Off
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: User (Judder - 4; Blur - 8)
LED Local Dimming: On


Quote:
Originally Posted by StarmanDXE
Oh, and this is basically what I'm dealing with: http://www.readynas.com/forum/viewto...p?f=76&t=35404

No clue what's up with the "(null)" folders or why the TV has issues but the Blu-ray player doesn't...
Now my TV won't show anything on my network drive. And I can't find any way to reset the connection with my router/the drive... And my Blu-ray player continues to work basically flawlessly (over WiFi, even!)
post #82 of 970
Figured out the problem with my TV and why it couldn't find any videos on my NAS: I had the router set up to share the wrong folders! DUH!

So, the TV can stream video just fine now. However, the smoothing quality is still lacking. Was hoping having the TV decode the video would help with the smoothing... Anyway, this is what I'm seeing:
  • Whenever there is a panning landscape or panning generally-static scene, the imagine looks fabulous! Trumotion makes such a huge difference. with it off, it's so blurry and awful.
  • Whenever there's a generally static background with moving people/actors (like on a talk-show), the Trumotion looks great.
  • However, when these two are combined (e.g. moving camera and moving people), lots of artifacting crops up.

No one else has really commented on this. Am I the only one seeing this? Is my TV defective somehow?

(FWIW, this seems to happen with Trumotion set to Low, High, and anything on User with Judder > 1 (and Blur = 8). When I set Judder = 1, it switches back-and-forth between looking great and looking blurry as if set to Judder = 0.)


Also, hoping to try watching some (Blu-ray) movies soon so I can see how the TV performs under those situations. However, it seems like what was actually filmed (or maybe just how it was filmed [either cinema-style or whatever hardware was used]) makes the most difference??? I tried switching my Blu-ray player between 1080p/60 and 1080p/24 to see if the TV (or maybe the Blu-ray player decoding the video files) would do better with one or the other. Was kind of a wash... So I tried re-encoding the videos to 24p (and ran the Blu-ray player at 1080p/24) to see if that would help, but it didn't really...
post #83 of 970
Quote:
Originally Posted by StarmanDXE View Post


These are the settings I like:

Energy Saving: Minimum
Picture Mode: Standard
Backlight: 60
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 55
Sharpness: 55
Color: 60
Tint: 0
Color Temp.: 0
Dynamic Contrast: Off
Dynamic Color: Off
Clear White: Off
Skin Color: 0
Noise Reduction: Off
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
Gamma: Medium
Black Level: Auto
Eye Care: Off
Real Cinema: Off
Color Gamut: Wide
TruMotion: User (Judder - 4; Blur - 8)
LED Local Dimming: On

Those settings are pretty incredible with HD content (shows, movies and sports)! I have ATT U-Verse TV if that helps. Any chance we can get XB360/PS3 calibrations? Thanks AVS.

D6E
post #84 of 970
Quote:
Originally Posted by D6E View Post
Those settings are pretty incredible with HD content (shows, movies and sports)! I have ATT U-Verse TV if that helps.
Thanks! I'm glad you like


Quote:
Originally Posted by D6E View Post
Also does anyone know of a professional calibration service in OC CA?
Save your money and just calibrate it to whatever looks best to you. All a "professional calibration" will do is make your wallet lighter However, you'll tend to believe your calibration is better because you want to mentally justify the costs (which is why consultants, CEOs, and Monster cables all cost outlandish sums )


In other news, I rented a copy of Iron Man 2 on Blu-ray today and just watched it. Still had plenty of the noise with Trumotion [anti-]Judder turned on. Is anyone else seeing this artifacting/noise? Is my TV defective or something? It doesn't seem like anyone else is commenting on this...

Also, experienced a few instances of where the edge-lighting is clearly inferior to the full-array backlighting. Oh well, still have yet to experience the 3D. Hoping it's a good trade off


Edit: LOL! Was just reading the (full) TV manual (pdf) and it includes this in the Trumotion section:

Quote:
If you enable "TruMotion", noise may appear on the screen. If this occurs, set "TruMotion" to "Off".
Essentially, "We released this TV too early and didn't iron out all of the bugs with the frame interpolation code."

Either my eyes have consistently be deceiving me as I look at TVs in the store, or LG simply isn't up-to-snuff and this is the last LG product I'm buying...


Edit #2: From the Samsung UN46C7000 manual:

Quote:
If noise occurs on the screen, please set the Auto Motion Plus to Off.
I guess this is a problem on all TVs and I should just learn to ignore the little hiccups and appreciate the immense benefits?
post #85 of 970
Is anyone else seeing this artifacting/noise? Is my TV defective or something? It doesn't seem like anyone else is commenting on this...

Yes I am seeing alot of juddering around people during movement. I also get a bit of edge "blooming". i am not overly happy with this tv for watching tv, but what a fantastic gaming tv in game mode. i have firmware 03.00.15 and dont have any updates avaiable, if it has firmware problems at least they can be fixed. panel problems cant.
post #86 of 970
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Originally Posted by storquer View Post

Yes I am seeing alot of juddering around people during movement.

Have you extensively watched (m)any other TVs? Is this how all brands are or is this TV particularly bad in this regard?


Quote:


i am not overly happy with this tv for watching tv, but what a fantastic gaming tv in game mode.

What do you have in the way of games? All I have is a Wii and, while "game" mode did give pretty good, quick response, the picture looks a bit blurry. Is this just because the Wii can only do 480p? (Although, I can turn on the Trumotion and it looks much better, but then there's noticeable lag...)


Quote:


if it has firmware problems at least they can be fixed. panel problems cant.

And, it's a good panel, right?
post #87 of 970
To StarmanDXE.
This is my first panel that runs more than 60 hz so i cannot say as to weather it is good or not.

as far as games go i play 360. if I'm playing a game with edges like modern warfare 2 then i set the sharpness to about 65 ish. but if I'm playing a game like red dead redemption with allot of texture and grass and stuff i set it to 30.

the digital enhancements make open world games like red dead a massive headache to look at with some bad movement, but with game mode on and all the junk turned off it looks mint. this suggests to me that the panel is capable its all the b-s that is meant to improve things that causes a few headaches, well heres hoping anyways.
I normally run my games at 1080 unless the game does not support it.

From what I have seen in stores motion is a bit of a problem with the samsung sets too, maybe not quite as much. the panasonic plasma was nice, i traded mine back for this lg because i cannot watch plasma witout getting a massive headache after 10 min. Personal oppinion is that they are trying to enhance too much, if it aint broken dont fix it. but please fix this sets issues.
post #88 of 970
On a side not i will be getting call of duty black opps on release in about 24 hrs and have heard it has 3D support if anyone wants to hear how that pans out i can post results of my experience with it.
post #89 of 970
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Originally Posted by storquer View Post

Is anyone else seeing this artifacting/noise? Is my TV defective or something? It doesn't seem like anyone else is commenting on this...

Yes I am seeing alot of juddering around people during movement. I also get a bit of edge "blooming". i am not overly happy with this tv for watching tv, but what a fantastic gaming tv in game mode. i have firmware 03.00.15 and dont have any updates avaiable, if it has firmware problems at least they can be fixed. panel problems cant.

I have quite the opposite opinion. I had a Sharp Aquos previously and TV viewing was atrocious. This set is incredible with games AND TV. I do notice a bit of juddering with Starman's settings but it varies from network to network. Movie channels look incredible but then local HD is hit or miss. I also do see slight edge blooming as well.

It's nothing to get upset over because I feel like its more of a technical limitation (i.e. firmware). By the way.....how do I update the firmware? Where is the version number listed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by storquer View Post

To StarmanDXE.
This is my first panel that runs more than 60 hz so i cannot say as to weather it is good or not.

as far as games go i play 360. if I'm playing a game with edges like modern warfare 2 then i set the sharpness to about 65 ish. but if I'm playing a game like red dead redemption with allot of texture and grass and stuff i set it to 30.

the digital enhancements make open world games like red dead a massive headache to look at with some bad movement, but with game mode on and all the junk turned off it looks mint. this suggests to me that the panel is capable its all the b-s that is meant to improve things that causes a few headaches, well heres hoping anyways.
I normally run my games at 1080 unless the game does not support it.

From what I have seen in stores motion is a bit of a problem with the samsung sets too, maybe not quite as much. the panasonic plasma was nice, i traded mine back for this lg because i cannot watch plasma witout getting a massive headache after 10 min. Personal oppinion is that they are trying to enhance too much, if it aint broken dont fix it. but please fix this sets issues.

I will make note of that. Fable 3 looks awesome in 1080p with Game Mode (unchanged). While Fallout: New Vegas looked terrible (although that engine is much older). I suspect Black Ops will look stunning because the MW2 engine is top-notch.

D6E
post #90 of 970
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Originally Posted by storquer View Post

From what I have seen in stores motion is a bit of a problem with the samsung sets too, maybe not quite as much. the panasonic plasma was nice, i traded mine back for this lg because i cannot watch plasma witout getting a massive headache after 10 min. Personal oppinion is that they are trying to enhance too much, if it aint broken dont fix it. but please fix this sets issues.

Thanks for the reply. Yeah, I feel the same way about plasmas... the picture is too chunky for my tastes.


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Originally Posted by D6E View Post

I have quite the opposite opinion. I had a Sharp Aquos previously and TV viewing was atrocious. This set is incredible with games AND TV. I do notice a bit of juddering with Starman's settings but it varies from network to network. Movie channels look incredible but then local HD is hit or miss. I also do see slight edge blooming as well.

Well, that's interesting. Perhaps I'm just expecting too much? Also, do you have any suggested settings?


Quote:
Originally Posted by D6E View Post

It's nothing to get upset over because I feel like its more of a technical limitation (i.e. firmware). By the way.....how do I update the firmware? Where is the version number listed?

You need your TV to be connected to your local network either by ethernet cable or by using a wireless adapter. Then, press the "Menu" button, press the "Red" button for "Customer Support" (it's at the bottom of the screen), then press the "Enter" button for "Software Update".


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Originally Posted by D6E View Post

I will make note of that. Fable 3 looks awesome in 1080p with Game Mode (unchanged). While Fallout: New Vegas looked terrible (although that engine is much older). I suspect Black Ops will look stunning because the MW2 engine is top-notch.

Interesting... I wonder if that has to do with if the game runs in 60 fps or 30 (or whatever. 24 maybe...?)



In other news:

I realized that, while I've been trying to minimize the amount of image processing the TV does by turning off everything under "Advanced Control" (under picture settings), I bought this TV because of the "Trumotion" image interpolation. That there is a lot of image processing... So, I decided, "what they hey! Why not try the 'Noise Reduction' settings."

I'm going to have to experiment with "Noise Reduction" and "Digital Noise Reduction", but I have them both set to "High" and I like what I'm seeing. It seems like, instead of showing the image will all of the artifacting and noise, it just drops the framerate back down to the original source data. I'll have to see what I think of this, but, for now, I think I like it better than the noise
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