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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Well, I don't know for sure, but I believe those systems don't have the huge blanking time, which is most of the problem with active glasses (plus it isn't black right in front of your eyes, which I am sure has to be a eye focus pain), also a big problem with active is the weight of the glasses. I know it wouldn't be optimal, but I think it would be way better than active glasses imo.

the blank or off time in cinema projectors is %30-40 in 3d mode.
post #2102 of 2106
Hi there, I spent hours reading this thread but I could not get a definitive answer to my situation. I already tried for a few minutes volfoni smart crystal pro with real d glasses a while back and it looks good to me but don't know if the omega will work better to me or the volfoni its the best option. I want to create a 3d cinema business on my origin country, maybe 100 people on a area of 27 x 12 yards.

Option 1
OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $1300
Volfoni smartcrystal pro + $1500
Chinese manufacturer gray 3D screen of 5 x 3.75 yards + $450
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Total = 3350

Option 2
2 x OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $2600
Chinese manufacturer white screen of 5 x 3.75 yards 250$
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Omega system $?


1. My first Option will work fine with a screen that big? If not what will be a maximum good size?
2. Real D glasses are around 1$ is there a better glasses for that system not too far from that price? Wish ones?
3. What is the Price for the complete system of crystals, hardware mount and geo box and any other necessary accessories?
4. Pros and Cons of each setup?

Any help will be very appreciated
Thank you
post #2103 of 2106
Hi there, I spent hours reading this thread but I could not get a definitive answer to my situation. I already tried for a few minutes volfoni smart crystal pro with real d glasses a while back and it looks good to me but don't know if the omega will work better to me or the volfoni its the best option. I want to create a 3d cinema business on my origin country, maybe 100 people on a area of 27 x 12 yards.

Option 1
OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $1300
Volfoni smartcrystal pro + $1500
Chinese manufacturer gray 3D screen of 5 x 3.75 yards + $450
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Total = 3350

Option 2
2 x OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $2600
Chinese manufacturer white screen of 5 x 3.75 yards 250$
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Omega system $?


1. My first Option will work fine with a screen that big? If not what will be a maximum good size?
2. Real D glasses are around 1$ is there a better glasses for that system not too far from that price? Wish ones?
3. What is the Price for the complete system of crystals, hardware mount and geo box and any other necessary accessories?
4. Pros and Cons of each setup?

Any help will be very appreciated
Thank you
post #2104 of 2106
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Originally Posted by ale20cu View Post

Hi there, I spent hours reading this thread but I could not get a definitive answer to my situation. I already tried for a few minutes volfoni smart crystal pro with real d glasses a while back and it looks good to me but don't know if the omega will work better to me or the volfoni its the best option. I want to create a 3d cinema business on my origin country, maybe 100 people on a area of 27 x 12 yards.

Option 1
OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $1300
Volfoni smartcrystal pro + $1500
Chinese manufacturer gray 3D screen of 5 x 3.75 yards + $450
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Total = 3350

Option 2
2 x OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D (5000 Lumens) $2600
Chinese manufacturer white screen of 5 x 3.75 yards 250$
100 units of real d glasses from ebay $100
Omega system $?


1. My first Option will work fine with a screen that big? If not what will be a maximum good size?
2. Real D glasses are around 1$ is there a better glasses for that system not too far from that price? Wish ones?
3. What is the Price for the complete system of crystals, hardware mount and geo box and any other necessary accessories?
4. Pros and Cons of each setup?

Any help will be very appreciated
Thank you

There are some real problems with both of these setups you have proposed, I will try to point you in the right direction.
1. The OPTOMA DLP TX779P-3D is a business class projector, I highly doubt that it puts out 5000 lumens for colors, that is probably the white output rating. In the real world the RGB light output is probably far less. That projector is has a resolution of 1024 x 768 which is fine for movies and tv shows with a 4:3 aspect ratio, but that is very rare these days, most of what you will be watching will be 16:9, 1.85:1, or 2.35:1 so a projector with a resolution of 1280x720 or 1920x1080 is much better (and will waste less light).
2. Real D glasses will work with your first setup, but not with the second one. The Omega uses its own glasses, I am not sure what the glasses will cost in bulk like that, maybe ~$15 per pair (check with motorman), so this could be a significant cost.
3. This is too complicated to figure out just yet.
4. I personally love the Omega setup, but with 100 people you definitely want to use a polarizing setup (primarily because of the glasses cost).

If you are serious about making a screen for 100 people then you will need a professional class projector. My recommendation is to look around and try to find 2 barco, digital projections, or christie projectors with a lumen rating higher than 5000 (their lumen ratings are more reliable than the optoma business projectors). If price is an issue, you may be able to get a lower resolution model (720p) for a lot less than the 1080p ones. Someone else might want to chime in here, but I think if you get an LCD projector you can often use a quarter-wave plate to create the proper polarization with a lot less light loss than a DLP model. You will also need a geo box or something like that to split the stereo signal to two projectors. I'm sorry I can't give more specific advice on the projectors, but perhaps someone else here has more experience with larger venue projectors can point you in the right direction for a projector. I am not sure you will be able to find a single projector solution with the Volfoni that will be bright enough (remember the projector still need to accept a 3D signal to use the Volfoni, so that limits your options).
post #2105 of 2106
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Originally Posted by ale20cu View Post

I want to create a 3d cinema business on my origin country
With this type of budget, it seems your origin country is somewhere where copyright doesn't apply because the budget and the hardware doesn't appear to match the "business" part of your goal.
Before anything : check your content source and see the type of files you'll be using, every BluRay I own is for home use only and explicitly forbids using it for commercial purposes. So first, you should check with your local movie suppliers to see in what format the movies will be. See if they have any type of offer for small cinemas. I have absolutely no idea about which formats are currently being used by the industry but I easily guess it's something highly encrypted which requires specialized hardware and which might not be compatible with little consumer projectors.
post #2106 of 2106
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Originally Posted by ale20cu View Post

1. My first Option will work fine with a screen that big? If not what will be a maximum good size?
2. Real D glasses are around 1$ is there a better glasses for that system not too far from that price? Wish ones?
3. What is the Price for the complete system of crystals, hardware mount and geo box and any other necessary accessories?
4. Pros and Cons of each setup?

i agree that you would really want at least a 1280x720 projector, one customer of the omega 3d kit took 2 Brco Sim6's he got real cheap used and made a very impressive rig. i have used business projectors and they work just fine with my filters actual lumens besides. you do also probably need a 16:9 native aspect ratio unit as this is the format you will be showing and you would be losing a lot of your imager with a 4:3 aspect unit.

as far as glasses go, RealD glasses are not meant to be re-used, they usually throw them away as they cannot be sanitized easily for re use. that is why they are $1 each. for a home user this is usually not an issue but with many using the glasses its a concern. the omega glasses are $16 in bulk at the moment so it is an expense but they are intended to be washed in a commertial dish washer and re-used for years. we have tested this. you wont get that much use form the $1 polarizing glasses.

i can sell you a 201 geobox for $699 and i can arrange a 100 seat package with projector filters and glasses. you at least do save some $$ in not needing a silver screen with the omega filters. pm me if you want info

i dont know about your content or encription issues depending on what your video source is but that is indpendant of the 3d rig itself mostly. the geobox and the VIP theater Evolver will both demultiplex very well any 3d signal. ive heard and will soon verify that the VIP Evolver is a better product than the Geobox and its priced very well.
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