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post #61 of 608
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Prismasonic hopes for a delivery in time for the holiday season but that could go
a little beyond into January. I hope to have an evaluation piece in a few weeks.
This lens will offer a very large aperture beyond the Isco 3.

Also to follow targeting "first qtr" a motorized 'sled' system. Very
compact and attractive, something we have not yet seen. There will be a
motorized focusing option as well which will use the same remote and power
plug as the 'sled' system. Both the sled and remote focus option will be aggressively priced. Prismasonic has been busy
US customers will be able to order and purchase through AVS!!!
post #62 of 608
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Prismasonic hopes for a delivery in time for the holiday season but that could go
a little beyond into January. I hope to have an evaluation piece in a few weeks.
This lens will offer a very large aperture beyond the Isco 3.

Also to follow targeting "first qtr" a motorized 'sled' system. Very
compact and attractive, something we have not yet seen. There will be a
motorized focusing option as well which will use the same remote and power
plug as the 'sled' system. Both the sled and remote focus option will be aggressively priced. Prismasonic has been busy
US customers will be able to order and purchase through AVS!!!

This is the best news I've read in a while! Of course I still haven't seen the prices, but hopefully this is gonna be awesome!

-Sean
post #63 of 608
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

There will be a
motorized focusing option as well which will use the same remote and power
plug as the 'sled' system. Both the sled and remote focus option will be aggressively priced. Prismasonic has been busy

Sorry, why would anyone want a "remote focusing system" on a cylindrical lens?

Once set, it is usually does not have to be re-done unless your changing your TR. Looking at the image of the lens, it appears to use the same thread adjusted action I use in the Aussiemorphic MK4 (threaded adjuster turned by allen key). So, given the fact that the difference between perfect focus and just out can be less then 1/8 of a turn, I do have to question their logic here.
post #64 of 608
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Sorry, why would anyone want a "remote focusing system" on a cylindrical lens?

Once set, it is usually does not have to be re-done unless your changing your TR. Looking at the image of the lens, it appears to use the same thread adjusted action I use in the Aussiemorphic MK4 (threaded adjuster turned by allen key). So, given the fact that the difference between perfect focus and just out can be less then 1/8 of a turn, I do have to question their logic here.

Maybe some people with a ceiling mounted setup would rather focus by remote rather than climb up and down a step ladder (after they remember where they put their allen key).

Besides, if you don't want the remote focusing system, then don't buy it.

I don't see the problem here. You're talking like it's a bad thing.
post #65 of 608
One can stand closer to the screen and focus with better results due to better visibility than standing at the projector.........and heck don't us boys love our toys.....a push button soultion, nice!
post #66 of 608
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Originally Posted by Kilgore View Post

You're talking like it's a bad thing.

All I am saying is that the astigmatism adjustment of an anamorphic lens is not the sort of thing you'd play with on a daily basis like you might do with the projectors focus.
post #67 of 608
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Sorry, why would anyone want a "remote focusing system" on a cylindrical lens?

Once set, it is usually does not have to be re-done unless your changing your TR. Looking at the image of the lens, it appears to use the same thread adjusted action I use in the Aussiemorphic MK4 (threaded adjuster turned by allen key). So, given the fact that the difference between perfect focus and just out can be less then 1/8 of a turn, I do have to question their logic here.

Depends on the amount of teeth in the focusing system. I think it's a great idea for reasons kilgore and HJ have just mentioned. Not sure people would muck around with projector focus either once setup, but that hasn't stopped the likes of JVC, Mitsubishi, Panasonic and a host of others implementing motorized focus, zoom and lens shift. Those using Constant image area would benefit from this and those showcasing such projectors for clients and displaying various screen sizes would also benefit. I use my JVC focus, zoom and lens shift almost every time I do a demo. Having used manual versions I would never go back. Motorized is much better. Besides all that, it is there for those who want it, it's an add on option anyway.

What I would like to see on PJ's is a 1 to 100 scale so one knows exactly where the focus was or should be (like sharpness etc), rather than having to use your eye right up next to the screen each time.. this would not cost much to implement. Still it beats the hell out of manual methods used on cheaper models whether it's used daily, weekly or monthly.

So good on your prismasonic and Alan for bringing a 4 element cylindrical lens into the market at price point never seen before.
post #68 of 608
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Originally Posted by oztheatre View Post

So good on your prismasonic and Alan for bringing a 4 element cylindrical lens into the market at price point never seen before.

Is the said $3kUSD confirmed yet or are people still assuming $3K because it was posted in the under $3K projector forum? If so, it was also posted in the $20K+ section, and we all know it is not going to cost anywhere near that.
post #69 of 608
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Is the said $3kUSD confirmed yet or are people still assuming $3K because it was posted in the under $3K projector forum? If so, it was also posted in the $20K+ section, and we all know it is not going to cost anywhere near that.

I'm sure Alan will confirm when he's ready. I have heard 3K from a few sources now. Even at 3.5K it's only 15% more and still a great price for the size that it is.

It's Alan's forum after all, he can post it wherever he chooses.

Aggressive pricing seems to be the idea so I imagine Alan would be buying more than 10 at a time to enable great pricing....

Looks like the competition is heating up either way.
post #70 of 608
Thread Starter 
Hello everyone. I understand the speculation during silent passages waiting for final product launch. I can share what has been passed down to me. Consider the following tentative and while things could change pricing should be close to the following at worse.
At launch we will offer the lens at a sale price under $2900. We will try to keep the everyday price at 3.5 to 4k there about.
The target price for the remote motorized sled if all goes well will be at an everyday price of $900. Add motorized focus for $400.

I should have a worthwhile update in a few weeks.

Thanks everyone.
post #71 of 608
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

At launch we will offer the lens at a sale price under $2900. We will try to keep the everyday price at 3k or there about.
The target price for the remote motorized sled if all goes well will be at an everyday price of $900. Add motorized focus for $400.

I should have a worthwhile update in a few weeks.

Thanks everyone.

Wow! Alan, are you planning a review or at least some test measurements before these are generally available?

Also, I'd love some info on the sled control: IR, trigger, RS232, .. As I understand the automated prisim lens from Prismasonic that use IR require a continuous IR signal until the stop postion is reached which is a little harder to automate than a simple trigger.

Thanks.
post #72 of 608
These prices sound awesome! Now I just have to wait on TR numbers and hope for the best, but you said its bigger than the Isco III, would that be the "L" model? If so, this bad boy has a good chance of sitting in front of my PJ someday soon!

-Sean
post #73 of 608
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Originally Posted by Moggie View Post

Wow! Alan, are you planning a review or at least some test measurements before these are generally available?


Thanks.

I hope to. Remember I am not an optical engineer I can only compare vissually ( will take pictures ) to the Isco 3 using common test patterns targeting chroma aberration, contrast, brightness etc.
post #74 of 608
Can't wait to see the reviews
post #75 of 608
can't wait to see what this lens will do.
post #76 of 608
Any update?

Any photos of the sled?
post #77 of 608
Will this be out before Christmas?

-Sean
post #78 of 608
Thread Starter 
Will share an update soon. Thanks for the interest.
post #79 of 608
Has anyone seen a review or a working sample of the Schneider EL yet? I'm wondering how it might compare.
post #80 of 608
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

Has anyone seen a review or a working sample of the Schneider EL yet? I'm wondering how it might compare.

I believe it was on show at Schneider's stand at CEDIA. The unit seems well built and was very light due to the plastic lenses.
post #81 of 608
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The unit seems well built and was very light due to the plastic lenses.
Being well built and very light are two nice attributes, which however don't say anything at all about image quality.
post #82 of 608
It seems unlikely that Schneider would produce or release anything that wasn't worthy. I'm just curious to see how it compares with other options in its general price range.
post #83 of 608
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t seems unlikely that Schneider would produce or release anything that wasn't worthy.

Which makes you wonder why it isn't released yet, doesn't it?

The slightest imperfection in the fabrication of a projection lens causes grief on-screen. If these molded plastic lenses are as big as you'd think they'd have to be, the potential for grief escalates. I bet this plastic lens wasn't actually being used at CEDIA for demos.
post #84 of 608
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Originally Posted by madshi View Post

Being well built and very light are two nice attributes, which however don't say anything at all about image quality.

I don't know 100% if it was the EL lens on show or not. The lens on show produced an extremely sharp image. If it was the EL, then buyers of this lens would be very happy with their purchase.
post #85 of 608
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

It seems unlikely that Schneider would produce or release anything that wasn't worthy. I'm just curious to see how it compares with other options in its general price range.

The only lens in its 'price range' will be the lens this thread is about. Everything else is well above that in cost.

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Originally Posted by Aussie Bob View Post

Which makes you wonder why it isn't released yet, doesn't it?

Does indeed...about both actually.
post #86 of 608
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Originally Posted by Pete
Has anyone seen a review or a working sample of the Schneider EL yet? I'm wondering how it might compare.
I'm interested to read it's review when it's released also.
post #87 of 608
Thread Starter 
Will have an update with pictures in a few days.
post #88 of 608
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Originally Posted by Alan Gouger View Post

Will have an update with pictures in a few days.

Now I'm getting excited!

-Sean
post #89 of 608
Me too -- I want to compare this versus the Aussie Bob lens that also looks very interesting... Big changes are coming to my theater as I seriously consider changing from 16 X 9 to cinemascope - I've learned enough at this point to do it the right way, one time, instead of trying to economize and trade up in a short time.
post #90 of 608
Me too
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