3D on Samsung 1080p DLP with Mitsubishi 3DA-1 and no Gefen - Page 35

FWIW, I have the same 4x2 switch from Monoprice, and it works just fine passing 3D frame-packed content from my Samsung C7900. I will say that I had to change the 3D setting (controls whether to play 3D discs in 3D or 2D) on the C7900 from "Auto" to "On" for it to work.

Good to know. I had looked for such a setting on my Sony but it only has the option for "Auto" or "Off". Auto will not work with the cheaper 4x2 monoprice switch.

I got this switch instead, and it passes frame-packed 3D just fine with my Sony BDP-S470 set to "Auto" for 3D. It's only 3x1 but that's really all I need for right now.

I misspoke a little bit. The "3D Mode" setting on my C7900 actually has the following options: Auto, 3D, 2D. I had to change it from Auto to 3D for it to work. I am curious as to whether that is still true with the newest Feb. 4 EDID for my TV. At some point, I will probably update it again. It really isn't a big deal because I don't know why I would ever want to watch a 3D movie in 2D mode, and if I did I suppose I could flip the setting to 2D. I am not even sure how the Auto setting would work.

Well I can tell you that on the Sony, it does something (probably reads EDID strings) to figure out if the display its hooked up to is capable of accepting frame packing 3D. If it finds the feature, it sends 3D. If it doesn't, it sends 2D.

I just installed DirecTV, mainly for the 3D content. Two modes don't work: 720p and 1080 24p. I can't find it now, but I thought I saw someplace in this thread that it was possible to watch 24p video. Another family of videos being rejected (i.e. the receiver says my TV can't display them) are those in 720p. I flashed PlumB's SAM02AC EDID and extended EDID on my HL-T6189S. Is that the right EDID?

Well, first the bad news... it seems the new EDID fixed the 720P problem, but not the 24p problem. It will display a jittery, picture for a minute or two then a message pops up that says my TV doesn't support 24P followed by the error code '797' after a few seconds that goes away, and the jittery picture returns. I am going straight from the DirecTV receiver to Mits 3DA-1, no receiver involved.

Now the worse news... I tried re-flashing the EDID several times, turned off the laptop, then when I powered up again, the laptop display was blank. It would appear that my last EDID flash was to the laptop instead of the TV. Pure carelessness on my part. I'll have to see if I can hook it to an external monitor and flash the laptop. Of course, with my luck I'll find my laptop EDID backup file is corrupted or missing.

TV: 6189S
EDID Files: Updated Sam02AC
Laptop: Dell D-800 running Win-XP (Pro)

I'm sure glad you are around today. As to the laptop, I seem to have yet another problem. A Powerstrip port scan only finds one port, Port 3, which it says is an analog port. Oddly enough it also says it is a monchrome, grayscale port. I'm guessing this is actually the VGA port, but why it says 'monochrome' is a mystery (I'm using the 6189S as a VGA monitor). Anyway, since it can't find the laptop's LCD display (Sharp), I don't have any way to restore it. The laptop is the only operating Win PC I have, so I'm stuck until I can fix it.

As to the TV, I disabled 1024p as you suggested. I then tried playing my 24p video again. This time, no message saying my TV won't display 24P, but the picture still is jittery and unwatchable. However, until the laptop is fixed, I have no way of freeing up the VGA port to work on the EDID problem.

This might be the problem... On this laptop it's either the internal LCD or the external monitor. When I switch to the external monitor, it will automatically disable the internal monitor. I don't think there is a way around this, but I'll do some research. It could be the amount of V-RAM available; i.e. to get both monitors to display it will be necessary to take down the screen resolutions to the point where the video interface has enough resources to support both.

Update: PlumB, once again you saved the day. I took a monitor off the Mac Pro and connected that to the laptop (yes, I was desperate). Now Powerstrip saw two active video ports #1 and #3. One was clearly the Mac monitor so I zapped Port 3 with a MonInfo Registry copy of the original laptop EDID (Powerstrip's backup copy had already been overwritten). Port 3 was the one that said it was a monocrome port, probably because I had overwritten its EDID with SAM02AC. Anyway, that fixed the laptop. Now it's back to finding out why 24P 3D doesn't work.

Well the laptop is working again and I used MonInfo to make sure that the hdmi3 EDID matched the updated SAM02AC. Every mode that I've tested, including 720p, is now working with the exception 24p. Still no go after messing with this thing all day. The file I am using to test with is 'Encounter in the 3rd dimension', recorded from DirecTV Channel 105. As far as I know, it is the only 24p video I have. I guess it is possible the file is bad, but I doubt it. Anyone downloaded and played this video? Did it work OK?

I can't think of anything else to try, so that is the end of 24p for me, unless someone can think of something else to do.

Well that's interesting! To answer your question, yes, the 3D light does come on.

I just did a search for 'Encounter in the 3rd Dimension' and see it comes (came) in two flavors: 1) VOD, 38 minutes, channel 105, which is what I recorded and as a scheduled broadcast , 1 hour, on channel 103. The next showing is 3/6. The one I recorded is labeled 'Movie' and the one coming up is labeled 'Show'. I'm new to DirecTV so all this doesn't mean much to me. I have the HR-24 receiver.

I deleted my copy and requested the VOD version on channel 105 again. It is currently downloading, but same story... when I try to play it I get the jittery image with the occasional 'TV doesn't support 1080p 24'. Message popping up. I should add that, during static scenes, such as a title card, the 3D is perfect. The jittery video only occurs when when there is motion, which makes sense.

Update: Just the 1080i light is on when playing this video.

It looks like there is something specific to that particular video. Channels 104 and 107 work OK. I've downloaded that video from Chan. 105 twice, and neither copy worked. No big deal, just curious why.

Since 1080p 24 on channel 104 works, I decided to put things back together and stop messing around (at least for now). Doing so, I found that my hdmi switch (Monoprice HDX-420X) is not 1080p 24 compatible., all other 3D modes work OK with it. Since my receiver is hdmi 1.3a, I can't use it for DirecTV or the PS3 (works fine with the Panasonic DMP-100). The nice thing about the HDX-420X is it outputs S/PDIF 5.1 channel audio from the currently selected hdmi port. So it means looking for a new switch if I want 1080p 24. May not be worth the hassle.

Have you tried DirecTV channel 104 with that switch? My Monoprice HDX-420X works OK with the PS3, DirecTV, and Panasonic DMP-100 in all 3D modes I've tried except 1080p 24.

PlumB-

i'm new to all this but it's there a big difference it 3d stuff plays either in 1080p/24 or 1080i/60? Will my wife or even myself notice the difference? Thanks.

DirecTV finally showed that same video on Channel 103 and it was in 1080i/60. Played OK this time.

bump-wld it be possible to make this thread a "sticky"?

PlumB I use a MIT adapter with your EDID modification on a Samsung 67" DLP.
The adapter is always on. My set_up from the display Samsung 67" DLP to the sources are :

Samsung 67"DLP HDMI3/PC<3D Blue Ray player. ( Very good 3D images)

Samsung 67"DLP HDMI3/PC

Samsung 67"DLP HDMI3/PC

Note.- The above AVer3D CaptureHD H727 3D converts all the chanels 2d>3d on the fly of my cable box and FTA DVBS DVBS2 composite.


Samsung 67"DLP HDMI3/PC

PlumB could you please help me with a problem I have when on the PC and the Mits adapter. The PC is connected to the Internet watching live tv from broadcasters around the world from a URL , example http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b5282.htm images are pass along the Mits adapter as normal 2d but after a while, half hour or so, the mits adapter stops and give me a warning on the display screen "signal is not compatible" ???? and the display screen goes black. Next I turn Mits adapter remote power off and turn on and the images comeback. Is there somenthing you could add to the EDID so the Mits adapter understand the URL tv signal over the Internet????

Yes I did the mod in early Feb when you posted the new changes. The power save mode is not disabling the display because meanwhile I am working on the PC, in a small window I do watch the URL broadcast so the pc is always awake. I do suspect is the Mits adpater that does not understand the URL tv signal. These signal either are send over the Window Media Player or Adobe Flash Player used by the broadcaster. Using a none 3d input works, but stop the capabilities and defeat the purpose of using the PC 3d internal LG player and the convertion of live tv from 2D>3D.
PlumB, thank you for all the work you did to bring us an early capabilities to watch 3D tv on Samsung DLP display

Yes I did the mod in early Feb when you posted the new changes. The power save mode is not disabling the display because meanwhile I am working on the PC, in a small window I do watch the URL broadcast so the pc is always awake. I do suspect is the Mits adpater that does not understand the URL tv signal. These signal either are send over the Window Media Player or Adobe Flash Player used by the broadcaster. Using a none 3d input works, but stop the capabilities and defeat the purpose of using the PC 3d internal LG player and the convertion of live tv from 2D>3D.
PlumB, thank you for all the work you did to bring us an early capabilities to watch 3D tv on Samsung DLP display

Hi Plumb, The switch is the one you "indicated", never read the reviews. I got the "switch" over a year ago prior to the new 3D. Never had a problem with the other 3D connections except when I use the PC and URL 2D TV broadcast. The problem of the URL 2D TV broadcast goes away as you suggested with a direct connect of the PC to the Mits adapter. The PC uses the resolution of the video card 1080P native at 60Hz for the DLP Display, there are 2 more values on the 3D video card section of 24Hz 1080p & 720P. I dont use these 3D values because when fast rapid movements of the images at 24Hz you could see in the background the chekerboard squares. I am not sure the video format that is used
in the URL by broadcaster, but the only thing I know the use streaming video on Window Media Players, Adobe Flash Player. The Samsung converts any signal input to 1080P at 60Hz. I wish I could obtain a 4 Input HDMI 1.4a not to expensive otherwise whenever I use the PC for URL broadcast TV viewing, manually I will connect the PC to the Adpater bypassing the "indicated switch".
Again PlumB thank you for your help.

Hi Plumb, The switch is the one you "indicated", never read the reviews. I got the "switch" over a year ago prior to the new 3D. Never had a problem with the other 3D connections except when I use the PC and URL 2D TV broadcast. The problem of the URL 2D TV broadcast goes away as you suggested with a direct connect of the PC to the Mits adapter. The PC uses the resolution of the video card 1080P native at 60Hz for the DLP Display, there are 2 more values on the 3D video card section of 24Hz 1080p & 720P. I dont use these 3D values because when fast rapid movements of the images at 24Hz you could see in the background the chekerboard squares. I am not sure the video format that is used
in the URL by broadcaster, but the only thing I know the use Window Media Players, Adobe Flash Player. The Samsung converts any signal input to 1080P at 60Hz. I wish I could obtain a 4 Input HDMI 1.4a not to expensive otherwise whenever I use the PC for URL broadcast TV viewing, manualy I will connect the PC to the Adpater bypassing the "indicated switch".
Again PlumB thank you for your help.