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post #1051 of 1126
4/27/11 at 10:45pm
Hi PlumB, I did put out of the loop the 3DA-1 and left the PC, the Panasonic 3D Blue Ray player, the tv box connected direct to the> switch>to the>INPUT_HDMI3/PC_Samsung67". So you are on the money, a combination of the Switch and the 3DA-1 adapter together is the problem. When use separate either or the problem goes away.

The Switch work well in the case of connecting the PC>Switch>INPUT_HDMI3/PC_Samsung67", to my surprise, the URL streaming of 2D live tv broadcast the picture got very clear. It was on for about five hours and never got turn off as to when the 3DA-1 was in the loop.
All of my devices and PC programs are capable of checkerboard format output 3D images. The exception is the Aver Media video card that is capable of turning 2D live broadcast to Side_by_Side (S_b_S) but not to checkerboard. This is the one and only time that I would need the use of the 3DA-1 adapter to turn the Side_by_Side to>checkerboard format.
An observation is that until today I let in the pass the 3DA-1 adapter do all the convertions to checkerboard, but when I took the Mits adapter out of the loop and let each device and programs use their own 3D output checkerboard capabilities the images and pictures got much clear and better 3D presentation. Now I know this will be my set_up and when I need a convertion (S_b_S) I will plug in the 3DA-1 adapter, is only matter of pluggin and unplugging two adjacent HDMI cables.
PlumB thank you very much for all your help.
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post #1052 of 1126
4/30/11 at 11:59pm
I've a sam 61a750
I applied the path and below is my info (moninfo)
my pc doesn't show 3d resolution as 1080P@60hz, just @ 23Hz and the ps3 3d mode normal looks like a 2d picture and when set normal the tv goes out of 3d mode, IR emitter goes off, and so on

perhaps I've a bad adapter ? bad hdmi cable?


Monitor
Model name............... SAM03C7
Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
Plug and Play ID......... MEL31CD
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2010, ISO week 14
Filter driver............ None
-------------------------
EDID revision............ 1.3
Input signal type........ Digital
Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1600 x 900 mm (72.3 in)
Power management......... Not supported
Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
-------------------------
DDC/CI................... Not supported

Color characteristics
Default color space...... Non-sRGB
Display gamma............ 2.20
Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.150 - By 0.080
White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
Horizontal scan range.... 26-68kHz
Vertical scan range...... 23-61Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
Preferred timing......... Yes
Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #1....... 1360x768p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1360x768" 85.500 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480p at 60Hz - IBM VGA
800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
Revision number.......... 3
IT underscan............. Supported
Basic audio.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
Native formats........... 1
Detailed timing #1....... 1280x720p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Detailed timing #3....... 720x480p at 60Hz (16:9)
Modeline............... "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
1920 x 1080p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
1920 x 1080p at 30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080p at 24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1920 x 1080i at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
1280 x 720p at 60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
720 x 480p at 60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
LPCM 2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
Channel configuration.... 2.0
Front left/right......... Yes
Front LFE................ No
Front center............. No
Rear left/right.......... No
Rear center.............. No
Front left/right center.. No
Rear left/right center... No
Rear LFE................. No

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
CEC physical address..... 3.0.0.0
Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
Supports 48bpp........... No
Supports 36bpp........... Yes
Supports 30bpp........... Yes
Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
Supports dual-link DVI... No
Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz
Video latency (p)........ -1ms
Audio latency (p)........ -1ms
Video latency (i)........ -1ms
Audio latency (i)........ -1ms
HDMI video capabilities.. Yes
EDID screen size......... No additional info
3D formats supported..... Not supported
Data payload............. 030C003000B82DE000000000C0040140001F

CE colorimetry data
xvYCC709 support......... No
xvYCC601 support......... No
sYCC601 support.......... No
AdobeYCC601 support...... No
AdobeRGB support......... No
Metadata profile flags... 0x00

CE video capability data
CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
PT scan behavior......... Not supported
RGB quantization range... Not supported
YCC quantization range... Not supported

Report information
Date generated........... 5/1/2011
Software revision........ 2.60.0.954
Data source.............. Real-time 0x0041
Operating system......... 6.1.7601.2.Service Pack 1

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post #1053 of 1126
5/1/11 at 12:16am
I forced the ps3 to recheck the resolution, now worked the ps3 :-)
I wonder what else is missing for the pc
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post #1054 of 1126
5/1/11 at 7:56pm
Thread Starter 
The 3DA-1 only supports 1080p frame-packing @ 24Hz. It supports 1080p 60Hz for side-by-side and top-and-bottom formats (half resolution). The EDID looks right except for the colorimetry data, it should look like this:

CE colorimetry data
xvYCC709 support......... Yes
xvYCC601 support......... Yes
sYCC601 support.......... No
AdobeYCC601 support...... No
AdobeRGB support......... No
Metadata profile flags... 0x01

Can you post the EDID of HDMI 3 without the 3DA-1 connected?
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post #1055 of 1126
5/23/11 at 7:14pm
67 Samsung LED DLP.
Got my mits 3d kit today. Installed/registered powerstrip, sent in to get my edit PIN. Connected the computer to the TV, flashed EDID, connected the converter. Turned 3D on for the TV and the HR21. Wow, just wow, DLP 3D is the bomb, way better than my friends 42" 3D stereoscopic. Watching ESPN 3D right now. I have tron, will check that out later. The question is, how easy will it be to change back and forth as I don't have a HDMI 1.4 receiver.
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post #1056 of 1126
5/23/11 at 7:25pm
Ok, so now that I've gotten that out of the way. There are a few things that seem like they'd have to be wrong.

I have a DirecTV HR21 and a Sammy 67 LED. I am using the 3DC-1000. I'm just running a straight HDMI cable to the tv, nothing else going to the receiver as of now. I'll probably try to use optical with the PS3 and HR21.

When I turned 3D on for the directv receiver and the TV. There was a large red border around the picture. (non-3D). Once I switch to one of the 3D channels it fills the screen and looks good. Change back to non-3D and it does the same red border around a smaller picture. Anyone know why that is happening.

I notice that sometimes there is a red hugh and deep blacks, like the night sky as well, or right now the screen is mostly black so it also has a red hue. I have my HDMI 3 named PC as well.

Wow, just watched some 3D football, sick. Ok..

Thanks for any input!!!
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post #1057 of 1126
5/23/11 at 8:08pm
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by the3dolla View Post

When I turned 3D on for the directv receiver and the TV. There was a large red border around the picture. (non-3D). Once I switch to one of the 3D channels it fills the screen and looks good. Change back to non-3D and it does the same red border around a smaller picture. Anyone know why that is happening.

I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about but I've noticed that if you turn on the TV's 3D mode when you're watching 2D content in 720p it will shrink the picture, instead of scaling the 720p image to fit the entire screen it will display the unscaled picture(half the size) in the center of the 1080p screen. Unfortunately you have to turn the TV's 3D mode on and off otherwise you get the red blacks in 2D content.

I think the red tint is from the TV's DLP link function when it's in 3D mode, I don't really notice it with the glasses on.

I don't watch alot of 3D so I'm still switching cables when I want 3D. I know some people are using HDMI switches to avoid cable swapping. There are some threads around here about which switches work with 3D. Some of the 1.4 receivers are actually having problems with DirecTV using non-mandatory 3D formats so you might actually be better off with a switch.
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post #1058 of 1126
5/24/11 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by PlumB View Post

I'm not sure if this is what you're talking about but I've noticed that if you turn on the TV's 3D mode when you're watching 2D content in 720p it will shrink the picture, instead of scaling the 720p image to fit the entire screen it will display the unscaled picture(half the size) in the center of the 1080p screen. Unfortunately you have to turn the TV's 3D mode on and off otherwise you get the red blacks in 2D content.

I think the red tint is from the TV's DLP link function when it's in 3D mode, I don't really notice it with the glasses on.

I don't watch alot of 3D so I'm still switching cables when I want 3D. I know some people are using HDMI switches to avoid cable swapping. There are some threads around here about which switches work with 3D. Some of the 1.4 receivers are actually having problems with DirecTV using non-mandatory 3D formats so you might actually be better off with a switch.

Yea, I've just realized that I'll have to turn the 3D mode for the TV on and off. It's not as noticeable with the glasses on, but still kind of noticeable; just wondered if that's just the way it is. I think for now I'll just switch the cables, it looks like I don't have to have 3D on to record 3D as the receiver is seemingly "authorized" as of now.

I most likely like ESPN 3D, there are some soccer games coming up and some College Football in September. I'll try my PS3 soon with Tron. I may try this 3 port switch, but I'll probably just switch cables around for now and use optical out to get audio to the receiver.
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post #1059 of 1126
5/24/11 at 4:03pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the3dolla View Post

Yea, I've just realized that I'll have to turn the 3D mode for the TV on and off. It's not as noticeable with the glasses on, but still kind of noticeable; just wondered if that's just the way it is. I think for now I'll just switch the cables, it looks like I don't have to have 3D on to record 3D as the receiver is seemingly "authorized" as of now.

I most likely like ESPN 3D, there are some soccer games coming up and some College Football in September. I'll try my PS3 soon with Tron. I may try this 3 port switch, but I'll probably just switch cables around for now and use optical out to get audio to the receiver.

The DirecTV receiver is only authorized while it's connected to a 3D TV, as soon as you switch to a different input it sees the non 3D EDID and it wont let you tune to a 3D channel. You may still be able to record 3D channels, I'm not sure.
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post #1060 of 1126
6/16/11 at 6:11pm
OK I have read this thread. I have the Pana DT210 BluRay DVD and the HL67A750. I just want to get Direct TV in 3D.
I can buy the 3DA-1 for $95 and the program for $30 email them for the code and flash the TV or I can just buy the Tru 3D adapter for $180 and I'm finished. Is there an advantage of one over the other. Other than paying an extra $40 for the Tru3D for doing the work.
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post #1061 of 1126
6/16/11 at 8:34pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by larrylwill View Post

OK I have read this thread. I have the Pana DT210 BluRay DVD and the HL67A750. I just want to get Direct TV in 3D.
I can buy the 3DA-1 for $95 and the program for $30 email them for the code and flash the TV or I can just buy the Tru 3D adapter for $180 and I'm finished. Is there an advantage of one over the other. Other than paying an extra $40 for the Tru3D for doing the work.

I think the adaptor Tru3D is selling is actually the new 3DA-1/3DC-100S which was made by mits to work from the factory on sammy DLPs without any mods, so it should be a true plug and play adaptor with no problems.

If you get the old 3DA-1 you'll need to enter the service menu to update the EDID, there is some danger in doing that if you're not careful. Some people had problems with PowerStrip not being compatible with their PC/video card.

If you're familiar with linux there are some free alternatives to PowerStrip that I found. I haven't used it in a while but I think I linked it somewhere in this thread.
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post #1062 of 1126
6/17/11 at 6:39pm
This simple procedure appears to unlock the Mits 3DC-1000 / 3DA-1 so it works with the Samsung sets!

1. Power off the adapter (leave everything plugged in and connected)
2. Press and hold the 3D Mode button then press and hold the Power button
3. Observe the 3D status light until it blinks. You want it to blink once, if it blinks twice (5 seconds apart) then restart at step 1.
4. After you get the unit to blink once, release the Power button then release the 3D Mode button.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20584508
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post #1063 of 1126
6/17/11 at 6:41pm
I'm watching that thread, It seems that the 3DA-1 is part of that system and that is what is unlocking the EDID. As soon as I get a few more confirmations I will order one. So far there are 2.
thanks
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post #1064 of 1126
6/18/11 at 3:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by larrylwill View Post

I'm watching that thread, It seems that the 3DA-1 is part of that system and that is what is unlocking the EDID. As soon as I get a few more confirmations I will order one. So far there are 2.
thanks

The 3DA-1 is not unlocking the EDID in the TV. According to the thread, the reset procedure removes the EDID restrictions from the 3DA-1.
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post #1065 of 1126
6/18/11 at 6:41pm
Please explain, would one need to change the EDID on the TV? To what? Or will it lock up with any TV its connected to because the unit is unlocked?
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post #1066 of 1126
6/18/11 at 8:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by larrylwill View Post

Please explain, would one need to change the EDID on the TV? To what? Or will it lock up with any TV its connected to because the unit is unlocked?

According to the thread, the 3DA-1 has two modes. One mode restricts the allowed set of TVs to only Mitsubishi's, brand, and the other mode does not. The reset instructions are to get it into the mode that does not. That's how I read it anyway.
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post #1067 of 1126
6/20/11 at 3:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
This simple procedure appears to unlock the Mits 3DC-1000 / 3DA-1 so it works with the Samsung sets!

1. Power off the adapter (leave everything plugged in and connected)
2. Press and hold the 3D Mode button then press and hold the Power button
3. Observe the 3D status light until it blinks. You want it to blink once, if it blinks twice (5 seconds apart) then restart at step 1.
4. After you get the unit to blink once, release the Power button then release the 3D Mode button.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20584508
I have HL67A750 and mits 3DA-1 connected to HDMI3/PC named. Did the procedures describe above and works perfect.Device build Aug2010 .
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post #1068 of 1126
6/20/11 at 4:00pm
I read it in the other thread, Thank you to Justin-Dawson for finding this out.
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post #1069 of 1126
6/20/11 at 5:19pm
I have two Mits 3D adapters one manufactured October 2010 and the other manufactured August 2010 both of them were able to have the "Mits only" EDID protection disabled.
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post #1070 of 1126
6/20/11 at 9:05pm
Thread Starter 
I spent a few minutes tonight looking at the EDID of the UNlocked 3DA-1. I'm posting this here because this thread is geared more towards EDID editing but if anyone thinks this is useful info feel free to repost in the other threads.

When the locked 3DA-1 is connected to a "compatible" mitz TV it will take the EDID of the TV and modify it adding the relevant 3D info. It will then pass that EDID onto the source device connected to it. I did my best with the updated EDIDs to make sure the 3DA-1 would pass an EDID as close to the original as possible.

When the locked 3DA-1 is connected to a non compatible TV it will simply pass a generic EDID without the 3D info and with a max resolution of 480p.

The UNlocked 3DA-1 seems to pass a generic EDID no matter what it's connected to, mits, sammy, pioneer receiver, I keep getting the same EDID(which of course includes the 3D info). The EDID it passes is 2.0 audio only so I don't think anyone is going to get 7.1 surround though it without some EDID trickery, but I'm pretty sure it is possible to get the 3DA-1 to pass 7.1 audio.

If anyone with one of the new "Samsung compatible" adaptors wants to check the EDID on it I would love to see if it's the same as the less expensive original unlocked 3DA-1.

Locked 3DA-1:
Code:
Monitor
  Model name............... MEUS3DTV1
  Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
  Plug and Play ID......... MEL31CD
  Serial number............ n/a
  Manufacture date......... 2010, ISO week 14
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Digital
  Color bit depth.......... Undefined
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 1620 x 910 mm (73.2 in)
  Power management......... Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2.20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.680 - Ry 0.299
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.278 - Gy 0.664
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.149 - By 0.065
  White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 31-32kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 59-61Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Not supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 720x480p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 640x480p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "640x480" 25.170 640 656 752 800 480 490 492 525 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     720 x  405p at  60Hz - VESA STD
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
  Revision number.......... 3
  IT underscan............. Supported
  Basic audio.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
  Native formats........... 1

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27) [Native]
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - Default (4:3, 1:1)
    NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
  LPCM    2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
  Channel configuration.... 2.0
  Front left/right......... Yes
  Front LFE................ No
  Front center............. No
  Rear left/right.......... No
  Rear center.............. No
  Front left/right center.. No
  Rear left/right center... No
  Rear LFE................. No

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
  IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
  CEC physical address..... 3.2.0.0
  Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
  Supports 48bpp........... No
  Supports 36bpp........... Yes
  Supports 30bpp........... Yes
  Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
  Supports dual-link DVI... No
  Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz
  Video latency (p)........ -1ms
  Audio latency (p)........ -1ms
  Video latency (i)........ -1ms
  Audio latency (i)........ -1ms
  HDMI video capabilities.. No
  Data payload............. 030C003200B82DC00000000000

CE colorimetry data
  xvYCC709 support......... Yes
  xvYCC601 support......... Yes
  sYCC601 support.......... No
  AdobeYCC601 support...... No
  AdobeRGB support......... No
  Metadata profile flags... 0x01

CE video capability data
  CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  PT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  RGB quantization range... Selectable (via AVI YQ)
  YCC quantization range... Not supported

Report information
  Date generated........... 6/20/2011
  Software revision........ 2.53.0.861
  Data source.............. File
  Operating system......... 6.0.6002.2.Service Pack 2

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Unlocked 3DA-1: (3D info is not properly decoded by MonInfo)
Code:
Monitor
  Model name............... MEUSPTV9
  Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
  Plug and Play ID......... MEL31CD
  Serial number............ n/a
  Manufacture date......... 2010, ISO week 14
  -------------------------
  EDID revision............ 1.3
  Input signal type........ Digital
  Color bit depth.......... Undefined
  Display type............. RGB color
  Screen size.............. 1440 x 810 mm (65.0 in)
  Power management......... Active off/sleep
  Extension blocs.......... 1 (CEA-EXT)
  -------------------------
  DDC/CI................... n/a

Color characteristics
  Default color space...... Non-sRGB
  Display gamma............ 2.20
  Red chromaticity......... Rx 0.681 - Ry 0.300
  Green chromaticity....... Gx 0.275 - Gy 0.659
  Blue chromaticity........ Bx 0.147 - By 0.060
  White point (default).... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329
  Additional descriptors... None

Timing characteristics
  Horizontal scan range.... 15-68kHz
  Vertical scan range...... 59-61Hz
  Video bandwidth.......... 170MHz
  CVT standard............. Not supported
  GTF standard............. Not supported
  Additional descriptors... None
  Preferred timing......... Yes
  Native/preferred timing.. 1920x1080p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 30Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync

Standard timings supported
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - IBM VGA
     800 x  600p at  60Hz - VESA
    1024 x  768p at  60Hz - VESA
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1360 x  765p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x 1024p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - VESA STD
    1064 x  594p at  60Hz - VESA STD
     848 x  477p at  60Hz - VESA STD

EIA/CEA-861 Information
  Revision number.......... 3
  IT underscan............. Supported
  Basic audio.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:4:4.............. Supported
  YCbCr 4:2:2.............. Supported
  Native formats........... 1
  Detailed timing #1....... 1920x1080p at 24Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2558 2602 2750 1080 1084 1089 1125 -hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #2....... 1920x1080i at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #3....... 1280x720p at 60Hz 
    Modeline............... "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 746 +hsync +vsync
  Detailed timing #4....... 720x480p at 60Hz (16:9)
    Modeline............... "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync

CE video identifiers (VICs) - timing/formats supported
    1920 x 1080p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1) [Native]
    1920 x 1080p at  30Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080p at  24Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1920 x 1080i at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
    1280 x  720p at  60Hz - HDTV (16:9, 1:1)
     720 x  480p at  60Hz - EDTV (16:9, 32:27)
     720 x  480i at  60Hz - Doublescan (16:9, 32:27)
     640 x  480p at  60Hz - Default (4:3, 1:1)
    NB: NTSC refresh rate = (Hz*1000)/1001

CE audio data (formats supported)
  LPCM    2-channel, 16/20/24 bit depths at 32/44/48 kHz

CE speaker allocation data
  Channel configuration.... 2.0
  Front left/right......... Yes
  Front LFE................ No
  Front center............. No
  Rear left/right.......... No
  Rear center.............. No
  Front left/right center.. No
  Rear left/right center... No
  Rear LFE................. No

CE vendor specific data (VSDB)
  IEEE registration number. 0x000C03
  CEC physical address..... 3.0.0.0
  Supports AI (ACP, ISRC).. Yes
  Supports 48bpp........... No
  Supports 36bpp........... Yes
  Supports 30bpp........... Yes
  Supports YCbCr 4:4:4..... Yes
  Supports dual-link DVI... No
  Maximum TMDS clock....... 225MHz
  Video latency (p)........ -1ms
  Audio latency (p)........ -1ms
  Video latency (i)........ -1ms
  Audio latency (i)........ -1ms
  HDMI video capabilities.. Yes
  EDID screen size......... No additional info
  3D formats supported..... Not supported
  Data payload............. 030C003000B82DE000000000C0040140001F

CE colorimetry data
  xvYCC709 support......... Yes
  xvYCC601 support......... Yes
  sYCC601 support.......... No
  AdobeYCC601 support...... No
  AdobeRGB support......... No
  Metadata profile flags... 0x01

CE video capability data
  CE scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  IT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  PT scan behavior......... Supports overscan and underscan
  RGB quantization range... Selectable (via AVI YQ)
  YCC quantization range... Not supported

Report information
  Date generated........... 6/20/2011
  Software revision........ 2.53.0.861
  Data source.............. File
  Operating system......... 6.0.6002.2.Service Pack 2

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post #1071 of 1126
6/21/11 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by PlumB View Post
The EDID it passes is 2.0 audio only so I don't think anyone is going to get 7.1 surround though it without some EDID trickery, but I'm pretty sure it is possible to get the 3DA-1 to pass 7.1 audio.
I thought the 7.1 or 5.1 3D receiver would be put between the 3D source and the Mits adapter so if the adapter shows 2 channel sound (as a TV should) it wouldn't make a difference.
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post #1072 of 1126
6/21/11 at 7:53am
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by PaulGo View Post
I thought the 7.1 or 5.1 3D receiver would be put between the 3D source and the Mits adapter so if the adapter shows 2 channel sound (as a TV should) it wouldn't make a difference.
Yeah, you're right but I think some people with older non 3D receivers have been trying to put the 3DA-1 in between the source and the receiver because their receivers will pass checkerboard but not some other 3D formats. I don't think all the older 1.3 receivers can extract audio from the 1.4a 3D signals.
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post #1073 of 1126
6/21/11 at 4:20pm
Now that someone has discovered how to easily remove the EDID restriction from the 3DA-1 (see http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20584508) so that it works with Samsungs, is there any advantage to restoring my 67A750 to its original HDMI3 EDID? Based on the above posts, it doesn't sound like it.
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post #1074 of 1126
6/21/11 at 4:47pm
If you use the 3DA-1 in the universal mode it uses a standard EDID. If you use it in the Mitsubishi only mode you will have a customized EDID based upon your sets original EDID that has been modified to work with the Mitsubishi adapter, so I see no reason to revert to the Samsung EDID.
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post #1075 of 1126
6/21/11 at 5:28pm
I have my samsung 3DA-1S unlocked and I can get it to pass multichannel audio - sometimes.)(from PS3 to 3DA-1S to Onkyo 805(1.3) to Samsung HLT61-89S)

With the only bluray I have had time to try, and my ps3 set to decode to PCM I was able to pass 5.1 (Disneys tangled)

Right now I assume that was DTS as I have also successfully streamed multichannel dts via ps3mediaserver(PMS).

I'm not completely sure how PMS handles all audio formats but I was not able to stream anything with dolbydigital or flac audio as anything more than 2channel.

What do I need to do to read the EDID of my samsung converter? I was never able to get my hands on a powerstrip compatible computer to do a flash. I'd love to help in anyway if it is remotely possible to get full audio going.
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post #1076 of 1126
6/21/11 at 5:35pm
Thread Starter 
I plan on leaving the custom EDID in there with the 3DA-1 locked. I don't see any reason to go back unless you think Samsung would find out and void your warranty. I'm out of warranty and I doubt a service tech would ever know it was custom. Obviously if you just picked up a 3DA-1 and haven't updated the EDID yet, it would be easier/safer/cheaper to just unlock it.
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post #1077 of 1126
6/21/11 at 5:48pm
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Originally Posted by jmasterdude View Post

I have my samsung 3DA-1S unlocked and I can get it to pass multichannel audio - sometimes.)(from PS3 to 3DA-1S to Onkyo 805(1.3) to Samsung HLT61-89S)

With the only bluray I have had time to try, and my ps3 set to decode to PCM I was able to pass 5.1 (Disneys tangled)

Right now I assume that was DTS as I have also successfully streamed multichannel dts via ps3mediaserver(PMS).

I'm not completely sure how PMS handles all audio formats but I was not able to stream anything with dolbydigital or flac audio as anything more than 2channel.

What do I need to do to read the EDID of my samsung converter? I was never able to get my hands on a powerstrip compatible computer to do a flash. I'd love to help in anyway if it is remotely possible to get full audio going.

If you have a PC with an HDMI port you can download MonInfo for free from here:
http://www.entechtaiwan.com/util/moninfo.shtm

It sounds like if you needed to unlock your adaptor to connect it to the receiver then they probably did more than just selling unlocked 3DA-1 adaptors. I'm just curious to see what the Samsung ready adaptors do with the Samsung EDIDs.

On the audio thing, are you setting the PS3s audio settings manually? What happens if you connect the PS3 to the Onkyo, run auto detect for audio, and then connect the unlocked adaptor in between them? Can you play a 2D blu-ray with more than 2.0?
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post #1078 of 1126
6/21/11 at 10:23pm
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Originally Posted by PlumB View Post

On the audio thing, are you setting the PS3s audio settings manually? What happens if you connect the PS3 to the Onkyo, run auto detect for audio, and then connect the unlocked adaptor in between them? Can you play a 2D blu-ray with more than 2.0?

Yes I set the audio settings manually to match what the PS3 would set via automatic detect when connected to the receiver. If I try to autodetect while connected to 3DA to receiver, the PS3 only sees stereo as an option.

I tried playing a 2D blu and was able to play DTS and DD multichannel. However my earlier statement was incorrect. I need to set the ps3 to bitstream, not send PCM. As I have a phat ps3 I was not able to bitstream lossless audio, only the core. As soon as I changed to linear PCM I was back to 2.0.

I did not try a DVD. I don't know if a DVD is bitstreamed or converted to PCM. If it does not decode, I expect things would work.

I'll have to do a hunt to see if i can get my hands on a hdmi out pc. I only have access to vga and dvi outs currently.
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post #1079 of 1126
8/13/11 at 7:31am
I have a Samsung HLT6187S 3D DLP TV with the 3DA-1 adapter plugged in to the HDMI 3 renamed to PC. My source is a Samsung BD-D6700 playing a Stereoscopic side by side 3D MKV with side by side chosen on the 3DA-1 or a 3d Blu-Ray.

I have a pair of Ultra Clear DLP Link glasses.

Now on the Dual View menu on the Samsung TV to turn on the glasses their is a choice between ON-STD GLS or ON-INV GLS, I choose ON-STD for DLP-Link glasses right? I have no IR emitter but is INV GLS for IR glasses?

I say this because I also bought 1 pair of theses glasses, which have a choice to change polarity by pressing the side button once or twice, but their hurting my eyes either way. If I'm in STD dual view mode and I hold my hand over the sensor till they turn off the right side is blacked out and reverse for INV mode.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DLP-LINK-3D-glas...item25621f8719

I'm still confused in regards to polarity and which eye my glasses are looking out of and which mode all my glasses will work together in.

All I can say is my eyes are strained after 10 minutes and they twitch for the rest of the day so I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong by switching back and forth threw the menu options and glasses polarity on the one pair of 3DTV corp glasses.
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post #1080 of 1126
8/13/11 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by uvman23 View Post

I have a Samsung HLT6187S 3D DLP TV with the 3DA-1 adapter plugged in to the HDMI 3 renamed to PC. My source is a Samsung BD-D6700 playing a Stereoscopic side by side 3D MKV with side by side chosen on the 3DA-1 or a 3d Blu-Ray.

I have a pair of Ultra Clear DLP Link glasses.

Now on the Dual View menu on the Samsung TV to turn on the glasses their is a choice between ON-STD GLS or ON-INV GLS, I choose ON-STD for DLP-Link glasses right? I have no IR emitter but is INV GLS for IR glasses?

I say this because I also bought 1 pair of theses glasses, which have a choice to change polarity by pressing the side button once or twice, but their hurting my eyes either way. If I'm in STD dual view mode and I hold my hand over the sensor till they turn off the right side is blacked out and reverse for INV mode.

http://cgi.ebay.com/DLP-LINK-3D-glas...item25621f8719

I'm still confused in regards to polarity and which eye my glasses are looking out of and which mode all my glasses will work together in.

All I can say is my eyes are strained after 10 minutes and they twitch for the rest of the day so I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong by switching back and forth threw the menu options and glasses polarity on the one pair of 3DTV corp glasses.

Polarity depends on the source material, and DLP-Link has been reported to sync opposite of IR.

Try the glasses on upside down. If the picture is better, you need to reverse the sync. This is the easiest way to test the polarity.

Dualview is for gaming, so that each player (of 2) sees only their screen, and not their opponent's. It enables full screen gaming w/o screen cheating. It is not for 3D viewing.
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