3D on Samsung 1080p DLP with Mitsubishi 3DA-1 and no Gefen - Page 18

This can't happen because the TVs don't have the hardware capabilty. They will always need an adapter unless checkerboard formats are used from the source equipment.


You need 3D Blu-Rays. NOT Blu-rays that have 3D that come with crappy glasses.


You can do this, but why bother. With the recent discoveries in Modding and Converting equipment, having a computer sitting there seems silly. If you really want to convert everything to 3D it will work, I think it looks terrible.

The firmware update will eliminate the Gefen EDID spoofer so the Mits adapter will work with the Samsung DLP sets.

Well the main reason would be because i use a HTPC as it is already, to watch all of my bluray movies.. so i guess i should prefer to get the true 3d versions of them, rather than let the software emulate things

It also appears that netflix doesnt have any 3d blurays for rental either.. at this point anyway.. bummer there too.

Not necessarily true. The firmware is actually Linux, and for all we know (unless you're an engineer at Samsung) most of the stuff is handled in software and they could re-write the firmware to convert HDMI 1.4 3D formats to display in DLP-compatible glasses format on the fly. Depends on what they actually have to work with in hardware vs. software vs computing power requirements. Granted, even if it was possible to make these TVs entirely 3D standard compatible in software, the only reason Samsung has to spend money on the project would be "customer service and satisfaction".

Granted, if it is true they could do so and won't, it's a bad move on their part because it makes them out to look like they welched on their 3D promise and makes them look greedy by telling us effectively "go buy a new TV if you want 3D".

It'd be really nice if they just dumped everything out there under the GPL and let the hackers have at it, if they can but won't.

Has anyone compared the viewsonics to the elsa ones here: http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/elwi3dgl.html

So do I have to do the whole thing with the computer hooked up first if I have the HL61A750?

Like, is it possible for someone to put the "new" EDID for my TV on a flash drive, mail it to me, I pop it in, and bam, it works? Or no?

No. You would need to wait for the Samsung firmware update that can be put on a flash drive.

Excellent, so I read the updated EDID and extension block and it seems easy enough to change using the software. My only question is if I'm using a desktop PC how hard would it be to use that? In the instructions you make it sound as if you have the laptop hooked up to the TV via HDMI 3 and the service menu is up on the tv while on the laptop you're running the software etc. If I use my desktop, and am only using the TV for a monitor, would i just be able to change the EDID via the software and not need to have the service menu up? Currently I'm using that desktop as my blu-ray player, and I have powerdvd 10 ultra and an nvidia gtx 465 and blu-ray 3D works great. I just obviously want to use my PS3 for gaming and well, movies if I can. currently my desktop PC is going through my A/V receiver too and it's working fine. It's a denon avr-4308. 2 years old, HDMI 1.3. I really don't want to replace a $2000 receiver. So what I'm looking for I guess is detailed instructions on how to change my EDID from a desktop PC. Thanks!

You have to have the service menu up or the TV will go out of the service mode and you can't change the EDID. You must use a short (3 feet or less) HDMI cable and have a compatible video card. Read this thread for full details.

So I need a 3ft or so, (4ft is fine I'm assuming?lol), from my desktop to the PC, and the service menu needs to stay up? I'm assuming my video card is ok. It's Nvidia Geforce GTX 465. It has DVI out on it, and it also has HDMI mini (which is what I use) so I go HDMI mini to HDMI right to HDMI 3. I'll rename it to PC if it isn't already and start this process sometime this weekend. Ideally I would like to only have one mitsubishi adapter. I don't want to unplug my directv receiver and ps3 repeatidly to make it work. I'm debating buying a new receiver because of this but we'll see. Any other tidbits along the way will be greatly appreciated; I leave this window open.

I have my Fios cable box ran to my 1.3 amp via component (they had issues with HDMI on the 6414 models). I was able to watch the side-by-side VS football broadcase in 3D last Sat with my amp in the middle.

Now if I use my PS3 I have to run the hdmi directly to the mitsu converter and then to TV or it gives an error message.

Question for the 6XHL750 users, which 3D mode are you finding to work the best?

Hi guys,

Thanks to all, especial PlumB with the periodic updating of the OP. I know it takes time to check out all configs like that. Also, thanks to Netcoder for the tip on the 4x2 mux, I've grown tired of the manual muxing and ordered the damn mux. it's coming in few days.

Just got my Comcast installed and 3D activated (ESPN 3D), since it has no program as of today, I rent Deep See IMAX 3D to try out and run into this:

- Flashing every few seconds and black screen afterward for a few seconds then the picture come back flashing, sound is nowhere to be heard most (99%) of the time. The picture when appears (between crazy flashings) has very good 3D effect.

So I have tried the long reset procedure on the Mits adapter per Plumb's (power off, HDMI1, power on, switch channel, power off, HDMI3, power on etc...) to no avail. I have double-checked the extended block (Monitor Asset Manager, Entech) and it is identical to what OP provides. Checking the signal going straight to a 2D HDMI input shows very good pictures of Left and Right image thruout, there is no dropping, no flashing of any kind and sound are great. I'm baffled and don't know what causes it.


Setup:
- Xfinity RNG 110 HD receiver, the latest that Comcast provided by default for 3D.
- Samsung 61A750
- Mits 3D adapter 3DA-1
- Flashed with PlumB EDID updated block + ext. block.
- Works fine with PS3 3D games and 3D Blu-ray movie and PC games/3D movies => This makes me think that the HDMI cables used in the setup are adequate, but I could be wrong.
- When in 3D, between flashings, the TV shows : HDMI3/PC => 1920x1080 @60

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Shut off the 1080p 24 fps mode on the Comcast box and see if the problem goes away. For some reason the comcast box does not respond well to outputting 24fps. To do this press off on the remote and then press menu - you can then alter the display functions. I use Native display and I uncheck the 1080 24fps.

Yep. PS3 3D games and 3D blu ray movies work fine. PC games and PC Blu ray 3D movies also work fine. The only source that doesn't is this rent movie from Comcast. Thanks for checking my config. , if you come up with any idea, please let me know.


Thanks. Tried your suggestion but it doesn't improve. Flashing like no tomorrow continues. I'm getting a headache
EDIT: This Comcast model is made by Pace, it doesn't have "Native" as an option, it seems the box make its own choice of output format, I disabled 1080 24Hz but it still got converted to 1080 60Hz by the 3DA-1, curious, I then re-opened the Pace menu again the 1080 24Hz somehow got re-enabled, did it several time but it just didn't stick. If I didn't put it thru the 3DA-1 then it would switch to 1080i, checked the menu and 1080 24Hz still disabled. But the moment I put the signal thru the adapter it's back to 1080p 60Hz and the Comcast menu reverted back to 1080 24Hz.

Yep you got it.
When connecting Comcast 3D signal straight to the HDMI3/PC input of the Sammy, the side by side picture also is perfect. No dropping, no flashing, no loss of sound, all in all a nice well behave signal but alas in 2D. (Same as when it's connected to HDMI1 & 2)

Oh yea, forgot that, it says 1920x1080 @24Hz.
Also, on the DDC thing being supported, I found out that it was only a side effect of Monitor program being set XP compatibility, SP3. When I un-set its XP compatibility and run it again, it shows DDC as being not supported, excerpt from Monitor result below. Also when looking at the Extended block this time it's not the same as before, that's perplexing. <= EDIT: Just realized that I put the signal going thru the 3DA-1 before the HDMI3 this time.

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Manufacturer............. Mitsubishi
Plug and Play ID......... MEL31CD
Serial number............ n/a
Manufacture date......... 2010, ISO week 14
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Color bit depth.......... Undefined
Display type............. RGB color
Screen size.............. 1600 x 900 mm (72.3 in)
Power management......... Not supported
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Power management......... Not supported
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Vertical scan range...... 23-61Hz
Video bandwidth.......... 230MHz
CVT standard............. Not supported
GTF standard............. Not supported
Additional descriptors... None
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800 x 600p at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768p at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 1024p at 60Hz - VESA STD

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Front LFE................ No
Front center............. No
Rear left/right.......... No
Rear center.............. No
Front left/right center.. No
Rear left/right center... No
Rear LFE................. No

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Supports 30bpp........... Yes
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Supports dual-link DVI... No
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I've just realized that but not 100% sure. Thanks for confirming it, I did put the adapter in the second time around.

On the 1080i output: I did try that upon PaulGo suggestion, by just disabling the 1080 x 24Hz, the Comcast box put out a 1080i 60Hz straight to HDMI3, however when I hooked it thru the 3DA-1, it was still flashing as before and checking the Comcast menu again I saw it reverted itself back to 1080 x 24Hz. I will call Comcast ass tomorrow and if that didn't work out I might have to exchange for a DCX 3200 (being a set top since I don't want a DVR/set top ie DCX3400), to see how it goes.

Thank you very much for all the help, PlumB.

I forgot the RNG110 box only has checkmarks for the desired resolution you want. Did you make the change to the box while it was connected to the 3DA-1? If you make the change and then change the HDMI source the box can rescan the EDID and then reimplement 24fps. I have the the RNG110 and the DCX3200 (as well as the DCX3400). The DCX boxes almost work the same as the RNG110 except you can choose native and then select the display capabilities, (I also have the same Samsung DLP) however if power is lost or you change inputs by unplugging the HDMI cable and plugging it into a different HDMI port the native mode is lost and it defaults to 720p so you have to configure the display capabilities again. I have notified the Comcast CTO about this and hopefully it will get fixed at some point.

I also do not have any problems with the PS3 at 24fps with 3D or with my Panasonic DMP-BDT300 at 24fps, so it is a problem unique to Comcast. Eventually Comcast will be going away for side / top to bottom and going to the same format as a Blu-ray disc - this should eliminate a lot of headaches. I have both the 61" and 67" HL750s and on both of them I can get Comcast to work without any problems by eliminating the 24fps mode. One question do you have the latest Samsung firmware on your set?

Finally got it to work. The trick that did it for my Pace RNG110 was to remove (switch YES to NO) on the 1080 x 24Hz resolution as you suggested but it had to be done while the movie was playing in 3D, after that it stuck and thanks to you, it works now => Bottom line, 3D download movie from Comcast works with PlumB EDID flashing.

Thanks for the info on Comcast 3D, it would be great if Comcast 3D signal works as others (PS3, Blue Ray etc), as it is now the setup can only be used by me, if my nieces/nephews come around and I'm not home they cannot figure out how to watch 3D from various sources without taking a lot of time.

As long as you do not disconnect the Comcast box from the HDMI3 through the Mits adapter the settings should stick (at least it does for me).
It possible their is something in the EDID of the Samsung set that the Comcast boxes do not understand and that is the reason iw goes into the default 720p mode when disconnected? This is not a HDMI port three problem since it happens on the other HDMI ports as well.

I think you're right on this (not disconnecting). It's part of the side effect that I'll get when my 4x2 mux arrives next week: Freedom from manhandling the wires.