3D on Samsung 1080p DLP with Mitsubishi 3DA-1 and no Gefen - Page 22

I noticed that moninfo wasn't gathering the complete information so I tried it again and found that only the first DVI port on either videocard actually capture the full data, the second DVI ports and HDMI ports didn't capture everyting. The laptops HDMI port captured the full code, as well.

I also tried to update the EDID while in the EDID menu with it set to ON, after reading that that's when/where you're supposed to do it, and still absolutely nothing worked... Any ideas?

Every time I watch a 3D Bluray with PS3, there are several rectangles (1/2 x 2in) of static (just some white noise) appear, their positions are randomly on the left half of the screen and only vertically staggered. PC 3D games and Comcast 3D movie/show don't have the same issue. Anybody experiences similar thing?

Setup:
Sammy 61 DLP
PS3
Mit 3DA-1
Monoprice Mux 4x2

Try connecting the PS3 right to the Adapter with the included HDMI cable or any high-speed HDMI, and then another high-speed HDMI cable to the TV. See if that eliminates any issues. I've had issues trying to use an HDMI splitter and/or a switch. I still have issues directly connected; when I switch back to 2D my TV turns black and white! What?! Its weird.

Went to HHGregg while wife was at Kohls today. Asked to see what 3d TV was about and was shown the flagship Panny system in the closed room.

Observation: some kind of big Panny flat panel with a high price that I did not care about except to look. 3d was very nice and I was impressed with the Avatar video.

I asked to see 3d on a DLP and met some resistance, eg not going to be as good, old tech etc. Made them set it up on a Mits 83" bitching all the way saying it would not be as good. Now I looked at this with an IR emmitor and both of us were blown away. The 3d effect was way more pronounced and this was with Samsung branded glases. The guy was like well that is because we are close to the source etc etc but he could not deny that the picture pwned the high priced Panny they have set up for display. I mean the 3d stuff seemed to be about half way out from the TV and that was in the normal area of the showroom with flourescent lighting above.

My point, going to send Samsung another unhappy owner email since Mits seems to have supported their customers. I will give them about a month or two for a fix then I will do the fix suggested here.

If I had any thing of value to add it would be to get the IR glasses, they were flawless and were Samsung brand. Go figure. Just food for thought for the millions of DLP owners like me.

Ok everyone that has been helping the n00b jwhyrock I appreciate it tremendously and the good news is I have reliably functioning 3D. BigSteve has been amazingly helpful on quite a few things. One thing he has mentioned in the thread has been about getting our perfect calibration settings in 3D by going standard --> dynamic --> standard and it just hasn't worked for me personally.

I am getting really bad ghosting. It almost looks pixelated around text on my PS3 menus and game loading screens. Like the sharpness is set to 1000 or something. Maybe that's just what ghosting looks like on text I don't know. Unless I've named the input PC in which case I don't see ghosting, but I do see what BigSteve has mentioned, the somewhat blurry picture quality. Not ghosting, but maybe not a crystal clear picture. Also obviously under PC we don't get to change our picture options either. I really notice the negative PQ difference in "PC" because I just calibrated my TV per Lee Bailey's recommended settings and it is gorgeous. So there is a very visible PQ difference when in PC mode. I realize that many of the picture options are greyed out, but I get the sense that even if I was able to change every picture option while in "PC" the picture still wouldn't look perfect.

If the only option for decent 3D picture is Dynamic with the input named "PC" then so be it I guess.

I just see BigSteve's success with a wonderful 3D picture and I want to enjoy that as well. I feel like I'm being short changed with the set up as is. It's good, but not exceptional while in 3D mode.

Does anyone have any workarounds or suggestions? I just can't figure out why the picture is so ****** unless I'm in PC. I toggled each setting on my Viewsonic glasses, changed Mode 1 to Mode 2 & even changed the 3D setting on the 3DA-1 adapter multiple times just to test things out. I also messed with the viewing size on the PS3 in a variety of ways and nothing seems to affect the ghosting issue. It simply appears to go away when I name it PC. Uggghhh!!! hours at this

Woo! Followed instructions, it works. HL61A750 here.

Call of Duty Black Ops in 3D is amazing. I need to upgrade my PC now to handle rendering effectively twice the fps for 3D gaming too, now.

That is comforting news for me and better news for you. Glad it works and I will probably have to do the same. I am trying to see if there is any truth to the rumored firmware upgrade. I chatted with Samsung just moments ago:

info: Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.
info: You are now chatting with 'Shelby M'
Shelby M: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung tech support. How can I help you today?
Michael: Hi Shelby. I have a HL61A750A1F dlp television and was wanting to know if there was any truth to the rumors that Samsung was going to release a firmware update for it so that I can use the 3d functions the TV is supposed to have?
Shelby M: Please allow me to go through the inquiry.
Shelby M: As off now there is no further information related to Firmware release of the non-3D or 3D ready TVs to convert them to 3D TVs.
Shelby M: They have Hardware Limiations, it may not be possible to install a firmware to access the 3D features.
Michael: Not true. These TVs can do today's 3d. I just do not feel comfortable changing my EDID to match a Mitsubishi unit IOT use the Mitsu 3d kit they are now selling. Lots of folks have done this and it seems a shame Samsung left us out in the cold on this one while Mitsu is taking care of their dlp customers.
Shelby M: I can understand, it is the design and feature of the TV.
Shelby M: We are basic technical support agents, we don't have information related to future updates.
Michael: Who or how do I complain about this lack of support for this model?
Shelby M: You can write to Office of the President400 Valley Road, Suite 201, Mt. Arlington, NJ 07856.
Michael: Very well, thank you. No way to send an email to the complaint department?
Shelby M: No, it is the only mailing address we have.
Michael: OK, thank you.
Shelby M: Is there anything else I can help you with?
Shelby M: Thank you for chatting with us. If you have a minute, please click on the blue X close button to receive a transcript of your chat and fill out a brief survey to help us serve you better. Happy Holidays and have a wonderful day!
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info: Chat session has been terminated by the Samsung Agent.


So there you have that from a chat agent. I fully intend to waste the stamp and envelope and hope some of the other millions of owners left in the cold do the same. I would suggest even folks who have modded their TVs complain. Who knows what may come of it? I would have already done this mod except the full Mitsu kit was not covered in my Christmas budget this year so it will be dealt with next year, like Jan

Bio, what video card/connection did you use and which version of the software? I am thinking I am going to need to pull out one of my old HP units IOT do this since it appears my GTX460 is not going to cut it.

Is there a list of videocards that can update the EDID?
all I have is(all nvidia):
GeForce 6600 GT
GeForce 7600 GT
GeForce 9800 GT
GTX 460 (x2)

and want to know if anyone's had any success with any of those

I keep getting "An EDID EEPROM was not found", but I've only tried (both) 460s.

I have used the GT9600M on my HP laptop.

With the 460 GTX, try running a dvi-hdmi cable to the computer, and then run powerstrip in windows compatibility mode with XP service pack 3, or work your way down if that doesn't work. Good way to see if it'll work is if monoinfo reads all 8 lines and not just the first 4.

I did try that but under Windows 7, no compatibility mode, though, but on the first DVI port for both cards, moninfo did read all 8 lines, but Powerstrip still couldn't find the EEPROM

That still didn't work, here's a shot of what it looks like so you can see I'm not crazy

(click to embiggen)
Note that EDID is set to on, moninfo shows 8 lines, and yet powerstrip can't find the EEPROM

And just in case the DVI part of the DVI-HDMI cable is missing something, for example a necessary pin, here it is

I did it in Windows 7 x64, using an ATI HD4850. Using the DVI to HDMI dongle that came with the card, and 35' (gasp! horror! but they said to not go over 6'! Though it might be a 25' or 30' cable? I honestly can't remember now. It's long.) monoprice HDMI cable. Did not run Powerstrip in any kind of compatibility mode.

If your PowerStrip can't find the EDID but MonInfo can read it, try rebooting - I ignored the PowerStrip installer's requirement to reboot at first and it couldn't find the EDID since the kernel driver hadn't been loaded yet, but after a reboot it worked.

I'll put in the 7600GT and see if it works. tried the 9800gt earlier and it seemed it died after a reboot before I could even try, was already RMA'd once, don't really care to do so again

I rebooted when it asked me to, rebooted plenty of times since, it's still not doing it

It was the only display connected
Did not try that though

EDIT: wait do you mean to have my monitor and the TV connected to the videocard at the same time and try that?

*groan* I just brought the tower back upstairs and everything...

I did have to do something like that with my laptop on direct HDMI, but I don't have the pin for that one, however the EDID access pin is device specific, so it doesn't work on my laptop, suppose I could always ask for one for the laptop.

Just in case this doesn't work out for me after all (honestly not hoping for that), can I get the Gefen HDMI Detective Plus standalone with the Mitsubishi EDIDs preloaded or would I have to get that bundle that also comes with the 3DA1?

Has anyone had success using 3D on a Samsung HL61A750 using anything other than the source named "PC"?

I've been using the hell out of my freshly calibrated TV (thank you Lee Bailey!), but I'm not getting the best PQ because I'm using the source named "PC". If I don't change the source name to "PC" I get what I assume is ghosting and it just doesn't look right. PC looks "ok" but clearly the PQ takes a hit, but the 3D is stable.

BigSteve as I mentioned above has talked about simply changing the setting from Standard to Dynamic then back to Standard with the source "NOT" named PC and getting a stunning 3D picture with all of our user defined settings.

Can I get some feedback from everyone using 3D on how they have it configured? It's not terrible using PC so don't get me wrong. It still rocks, but I know it can look better. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks for the reply. Basically in my case I sacrifice the PQ for stable 3D and using "PC" seems to be the only way I can get it to work, but I have heard that we can have our cake and eat it too. I just haven't had success yet. I haven't given up, but I really don't know what else to try.

well damn...

Anyway, I'm back at it, have my monitor and the DLP connected, now, and when I tell powerstrip to read directly from the monitor, I get a message saying
"DDC Error

DDC communication with the monitor failed or is not supported.

Reverting to EDID data provided by Windows and the display driver, if available."

any idea? is there a better/easier solution for Ubuntu or something? I could/would install Ubuntu JUST for this if there's a better solution, I remember reading someone saying something about using Ubuntu.

EDIT: If I understand this properly, EDID protection isn't being properly disabled, is it?

I'm out of ideas and the thought of more or less wasting money on a 3DA-1 is more than mildly disturbing...

I have my input set to something other than PC, off the top of my head I don't remember if it's AV RECEIVER or PVR/STB or whatever but it's something like that. Definitely not PC or GAME. No ghosting problems that I've been able to notice with CoD:BO or watching stuff from youtube (via the PC). Using ViewSonic PGD-150's.

I haven't gotten around to recalibrating since mucking about in the service menu (which loses settings) so I just winged it and it's like 70/60/0/50 contrast/brightness/sharpness/color right now.

I got a similar error just trying to READ data from my ViewSonic PS790 CRT (connected via DVI-I/VGA dongle). It identifies as a Generic Non-PnP monitor in windows but windows still knows what its freq/res limits are, strangely.

Can you tell PowerStrip to read directly from the device succesfully? If it reads but doesn't write, then you probably don't have the protection disabled properly.

PowerStrip does not read from the display, either. On any of the outputs. But all of this is troubling because moninfo will pull all 8 lines of code off of it [real-time].

I've thought about getting a Gefen HDMI Detective and then just going to Paul's TV or something seeing as they have all of the appropriate Mitsubishi displays. Of course I'd have to call first to make sure it's cool with them. I fear my limitations are bound by hardware. Again, I have not yet tried the 7600GT, I will try that tomorrow, fingers crossed for it working.

EDIT: I would ask Entech for help but this is an "undocumented, unsupported, unadvertised feature"

Try other DVI/HDMI dongles (or DVI/HDMI cables) if you can too, maybe something is screwball with the DDC wiring. If you can get a totally different make / design of dongle (say an ATI one) then try that.

I know ATI includes specific HDMI dongles that are wired different from normal ones to enable HDMI audio (vs it being seen as HDMI-as-mere-DVI).

MonInfo does not share any code with PowerStrip. The one is updated frequently where the other was tagged as EOL several years ago. It is therefore not at all uncommon for MonInfo to successfully communicate across a graphics controller where PowerStrip cannot (Intel HD graphics is a good example).

As a general rule, if PowerStrip is installed correctly and the "Advanced timing options" button is disabled (greyed-out), the graphics controller is not supported, and direct communication with a display is not going to be possible.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=630

When I switch to 3D it does not rename the source "pc"but it does grey out several options. I believe all of our previously set calibrations are in effect however. The 3D though has ghosting and doesn't look quite right. The second I change the name to PC the 3D part clears up but PC has its own settings so our individual calibration settings are not there. Its a lesser of two evils situation