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post #241 of 378
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Originally Posted by mrcarnut View Post

I posted this in the Oppo 83 forum also.
I just received my copy of Wish you Were Here SACD on Friday and for the first time since owning my 83 I noticed audio drop out in several portions of the disc. I thought at first my Denon 2809 had shut off but after further review I found it was not and the audio was dropping from the SACD. I have never had this happen before. I thought it might be the HDMI cable so I replaced it with no change. The odd thing is that the drop outs don't always occur in the same spot on the disc. It is also not happening on my Oppo 80 connected to my Denon 3808. I also rented Transformers Dark of the Moon and noticed an audio drop out towards the end of the movie on the 83. Anyone else experience this particularly with Wish You Were Here? Thanks for the help.

I got some audio dropout from my PS3 using hdmi. On my HK dvd48 using ext. in everything plays fine. My old PS3 has been acting this way of late with audio dropout in concert with my Denon 3310.
post #242 of 378
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Originally Posted by mrcarnut View Post

I posted this in the Oppo 83 forum also.
I just received my copy of Wish you Were Here SACD on Friday and for the first time since owning my 83 I noticed audio drop out in several portions of the disc. I thought at first my Denon 2809 had shut off but after further review I found it was not and the audio was dropping from the SACD. I have never had this happen before. I thought it might be the HDMI cable so I replaced it with no change. The odd thing is that the drop outs don't always occur in the same spot on the disc. It is also not happening on my Oppo 80 connected to my Denon 3808. I also rented Transformers Dark of the Moon and noticed an audio drop out towards the end of the movie on the 83. Anyone else experience this particularly with Wish You Were Here? Thanks for the help.

No dropouts with my Oppo 83, sorry.
post #243 of 378
There is an App for that...Official Pink Floyd.
post #244 of 378
I listened to the 5.1 layer of WYWH again tonight as I had a little time to unwind. I listened to the first three tracks and my thoughts are the vocals are somewhat recessed. On Have A Cigar Roy Harpers vocals are not really that prominent. I cranked it up a little and it did not seem to help. I got up to listen to to my center channel and found the vocals were almost louder from my R&L speakers.

I calibrated all my speaker levels earlier today with the AIX bluray calibration disc. So I know my speaker levels are all set at 75dB. I played the 5.1 layer of the Avalon SACD just to see if there was an issue with my system. The vocals as well as the audio from the center when playing Avalon are fine. When I have a chance I want to give WYWH another good listen and see if I find the vocals on all the tracks are the same. I'm still very happy to have WYWH in 5.1 as it is one of my favorite Floyd albums. I just do not think the 5.1 layer of WYWH is a reference quality SACD as are Avalon and Sea Change IMO.

Bill
post #245 of 378
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

I listened to the 5.1 layer of WYWH again tonight as I had a little time to unwind. I listened to the first three tracks and my thoughts are the vocals are somewhat recessed. On Have A Cigar Roy Harpers vocals are not really that prominent. I cranked it up a little and it did not seem to help. I got up to listen to to my center channel and found the vocals were almost louder from my R&L speakers.

I calibrated all my speaker levels earlier today with the AIX bluray calibration disc. So I know my speaker levels are all set at 75dB. I played the 5.1 layer of the Avalon SACD just to see if there was an issue with my system. The vocals as well as the audio from the center when playing Avalon are fine. When I have a chance I want to give WYWH another good listen and see if I find the vocals on all the tracks are the same. I'm still very happy to have WYWH in 5.1 as it is one of my favorite Floyd albums. I just do not think the 5.1 layer of WYWH is a reference quality SACD as are Avalon and Sea Change IMO.

Bill

i don't either. i think it's good but definitely not as good as the best that's out there. no way. i would rate the sound quality on par with the dark side of the moon sacd - which is not as good as the dark side dvd-a (bootleg). i think the surround mix is quite good - better than the dark side sacd. if i was grading the sound quality, i'd give it an 8.25/10 and the surround mix a 9.25/10.
post #246 of 378
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Originally Posted by grubadub View Post

i don't either. i think it's good but definitely not as good as the best that's out there. no way. i would rate the sound quality on par with the dark side of the moon sacd - which is not as good as the dark side dvd-a (bootleg). i think the surround mix is quite good - better than the dark side sacd. if i was grading the sound quality, i'd give it an 8.25/10 and the surround mix a 9.25/10.

grub,

I would agree with your grading as well. I was thinking 8.5 for both SQ/MCH but a solid 9 for the music. I need to give DSOTM another spin along with WYWH. It is just hard for me to have the house to myself to really crank it and totally get into the music. If thats the least of my problems I'm doing just fine.

Bill
post #247 of 378
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Originally Posted by mcallister View Post

I have both. Just received the SACD today. Will do some in depth listening this weekend.

Any word yet? I want to pull the trigger but get the best remaster (or least expensive (SA-CD) if from the same master).
post #248 of 378
I finally got mine yesterday. Like Bill I wasn't able to crank it up like I wanted to, but my initial impression that it was very good. I thought the use of the surrounds was about perfect. The bass hit in just the right places and the highs were very crisp. I've listened to the 2 channel version of WYWH countless times, but almost felt like I was hearing the album for the first time last night. WYWH has been screaming for surround treatment all along. I give it two thumbs up!

I didn't notice the recessed vocals that Bill mentioned, but I'm a 4.1 shop that doesn't use a center channel. At times, I felt like I was in the studio sitting in the middle of the recording session. While the SQ may not be quite up there with Sea Change, it's definitely a good disc that is money well spent IMO. WYWH...we're glad you're finally here!
post #249 of 378
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Any word yet? I want to pull the trigger but get the best remaster (or least expensive (SA-CD) if from the same master).

I will try and get an impression up tonight. I didn't get a chance this past weekend to listen to both. I only listened to the blu ray. I'll pop in the sacd and blu ray this evening and post some impressions.
post #250 of 378
Bill Mac, looks like you are changing a bit your impressions about the SQ of 5.1 layer.
After spending more time listening this masterpiece I still finding that this release has something missing. Maybe after first euphoria more WYWH lowers will proved more critical opinions. Again, I could be wrong.
post #251 of 378
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Originally Posted by bordo32 View Post

Bill Mac, looks like you are changing a bit your impressions about the SQ of 5.1 layer.
After spending more time listening this masterpiece I still finding that this release has something missing. Maybe after first euphoria more WYWH lowers will proved more critical opinions. Again, I could be wrong.

It is not that I'm changing my impressions of the 5.1 layer of WYWH. I still feel it was done very well and sounds excellent, better than I have ever heard it. My thoughts are that WYWH is not a reference MCH SACD as is Avalon and Sea Change. Some might disagree with that and thats fine with me, its just my opinion. I certainly have more of an emotional attachment to WYWH than Avalon or Sea Change. I have been listening to WYWH for over 35 years. So I'm trying my best to give a non-biased opinion of the SACD.

Bill
post #252 of 378
So if something is "missing" from WYWH what is it?
If you can't articulate it then how do know what "it" is?
If the WYWH sacd is missing something then every other version is missing a ton of somethings.

IMO, WYWH sounds as good as it is capable of sounding.
It is reference from that standpoint.
My question would be, what are people expecting from this recording?
To me it is a revelation that David Gilmour at least, was heavily involved in.

FWIW, I feel DSOTM is a better album than WYWH from a content standpoint.
While I love them both, DSOTM is a more consistent, universal concept.
post #253 of 378
I agree with both of you, I did not want to sound very picky. I was listening WYWH for more than 35 years too. I guess the waiting time for this SACD to be happened was too long and now it turned out to be too much emotional.
post #254 of 378
I haven't heard WYWH SACD yet, as I am in Melbourne for the Presidents' Cup golf (watching). My wife was home when fedex delivered - she sent me the following text which I repeat verbatim.

"Just finished listening to 'wish you were here'. I had forgotten how good it was. The surround really immerses you in it. Fabulous!!!"

Benje
post #255 of 378
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So if something is "missing" from WYWH what is it? If you can't articulate it then how do know what "it" is?
If the WYWH sacd is missing something then every other version is missing a ton of somethings.

I do not think anything is "missing" from the 5.1 layer of WYWH just that I have heard better 5.1 SACDs. The one thing I noticed were the vocals were somewhat recessed or hard to hear at times. At times the audio in the surrounds overpower the vocals.

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IMO, WYWH sounds as good as it is capable of sounding. It is reference from that standpoint. My question would be, what are people expecting from this recording? To me it is a revelation that David Gilmour at least, was heavily involved in.

I agree as the 5.1 layer of WYWH sounds excellent aside from the vocals being a bit recessed. To be honest I was hoping that WYWH had the 5.1 layer quality of Avalon and Sea Change. By that I mean a totally seamless blend of all five speakers including the sub. WYWH is very close in SQ but there are times when it is not a seamless blend.

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FWIW, I feel DSOTM is a better album than WYWH from a content standpoint. While I love them both, DSOTM is a more consistent, universal concept.

Both DSOTM and WYWH are among my favorite albums of all time. My preference is to WYWH by a slight margin.

Bill
post #256 of 378
I did back to back listening last night of each song switching from the immersion, to sacd, than sacd to immersion.

To my ears the sacd sounds better, actually much better. Air around instruments, Soundfield, upper end Sonics and overall dynamics all are much better and resilient than on the blu-ray. I went in expecting to hear no difference.

Now however something to take into consideration. The sacd is mastered louder than the blu-ray which could be the culprit there. I didn't pull out a meter but I'd say its 2db hotter.

My source is a Look bdp-95 the sacd was ran straight dsd to an Integra and-80.2 via hdmi outputting dsd.

I didn't get a chance to listen as in depth without distraction as I'd like bathtubs is an initial assessment. Hope it helps.
post #257 of 378
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Originally Posted by Benje2 View Post

I haven't heard WYWH SACD yet, as I am in Melbourne for the Presidents' Cup golf (watching). My wife was home when fedex delivered - she sent me the following text which I repeat verbatim.

"Just finished listening to 'wish you were here'. I had forgotten how good it was. The surround really immerses you in it. Fabulous!!!"

Benje

Ooh nice. I wish my wife would say something other than "Could you turn that down please?"
post #258 of 378
[quote=Bill Mac;21218364]
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

At times the audio in the surrounds overpower the vocals.
Bill

I listened again at higher volume last night. I agree that the surrounds can be a little strong at higher volume. I didn't notice it when listening at lower volume though. I think the way they made use of the surrounds was spot on, but I did think it was a little strong at times. I'm sure I'll spin this one pretty regularly since it's always been one of my favorite albums too.
post #259 of 378
I decided to listen to DSOTM and then listen to WYWH to do a basic comparison between the two 5.1 layers. Once I started listening to DSOTM I checked my center channel to see how much of the vocals were present. I was surprised to find the audio from my center to be quite low with the vocals much louder in the R&L front speakers. I got to thinking are the surround mixes for both DSOTM and WYWH somewhat based on the original quad mixes? I am wondering that as the quad mixes are I believe 4.0 with no center speaker audio.

Bill
post #260 of 378
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Ooh nice. I wish my wife would say something other than "Could you turn that down please?"

lol, me too.

To stay somewhat on topic though, on the blu-ray, the WYWH quad is superior to the 5.1 IMO, at least in part because I like the mix better. I haven't had a chance to compare the 5.1 from the blu-ray to the SACD.
post #261 of 378
Received

Listened to

Happy

I still marvel at the value I got from the Kef iQ selloff - $700 for 5.0 and sounds awesome
post #262 of 378
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Ooh nice. I wish my wife would say something other than "Could you turn that down please?"

Nathan_R

my wife has had a better music collection than me for all of our 30 odd years, and a better ear as well. She is the genuine music lover. She just isn't the techo-type to play with the electronics - that is my role.

The thing that struck me was her choice of wording - "immerse". She doesn't read any of these forums, and she doesn't know that there are 'immersion' sets for sale. And she doesn't normally use the word 'immerse'.

Only 4 more sleeps before I get my WYWH opportunity when I am back home.
post #263 of 378
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Originally Posted by mcallister View Post

I did back to back listening last night of each song switching from the immersion, to sacd, than sacd to immersion.

To my ears the sacd sounds better, actually much better. Air around instruments, Soundfield, upper end Sonics and overall dynamics all are much better and resilient than on the blu-ray. I went in expecting to hear no difference.

I heard what you expected to hear: essentially no difference. I also noted that the SACD appeared to be slightly louder, but when normalized I don't find there to be much difference. I suspect that where folks find a difference, it may be as much about how their kit handles the two different kinds of sources verusus anything else. I also use an OPPO player as my source (93 rather than 95, but that will make no difference via HDMI) into a Meridian 861 processor. The latter cannot handle native DSD, so my player must do a conversion to PCM, which generally favors native PCM ....
post #264 of 378
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Originally Posted by mcallister View Post

...To my ears the sacd sounds better, actually much better. Air around instruments, Soundfield, upper end Sonics and overall dynamics all are much better and resilient than on the blu-ray. I went in expecting to hear no difference.

Now however something to take into consideration. The sacd is mastered louder than the blu-ray which could be the culprit there. I didn't pull out a meter but I'd say its 2db hotter.

My source is a Look bdp-95 the sacd was ran straight dsd to an Integra and-80.2 via hdmi outputting dsd....

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Originally Posted by ca1ore View Post

I heard what you expected to hear: essentially no difference. I also noted that the SACD appeared to be slightly louder, but when normalized I don't find there to be much difference. I suspect that where folks find a difference, it may be as much about how their kit handles the two different kinds of sources verusus anything else. I also use an OPPO player as my source (93 rather than 95, but that will make no difference via HDMI) into a Meridian 861 processor. The latter cannot handle native DSD, so my player must do a conversion to PCM, which generally favors native PCM ....

Thanks, I ordered the SA-CD and saved $60.
post #265 of 378
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

... I'm still very happy to have WYWH in 5.1 as it is one of my favorite Floyd albums. I just do not think the 5.1 layer of WYWH is a reference quality SACD as are Avalon and Sea Change IMO.

Well if ever I saw a solid recommendation this is it.

I already have CD of Sea Change so know that I like that and think I've the Avalon CD; have to dig it out.

Wow those are both expensive SACD discs per amazon, so think I'll pass.

FWIW this thread got me to buy cheapest used CD of WYWH and it's not my cup of tea, but not unhappy to have it.

This thread also somehow got me back to great live albums like Diamond's "Hot August Night" (2 CD stereo only) and also (per amazon reviews) "Frampton Comes Alive!" (2 CD stereo only) which I just got today but am not that thrilled with.

If you still buy CDs, get a copy of Diamond's Hot August Night. I ordered a used one of the 2000 remastered/expanded 2 CD set but have yet to get it, so not completely sure how the sound quality compares to the older 2 CD set, which is a reference set IMO. Cheers.
post #266 of 378
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Thanks, I ordered the SA-CD and saved $60.

Seriously, were you expecting any differences?
If anything the SACD would be at disadvantage,[ unless the entire project was done in DSD domain, which is pretty much a nonstarter these days], which does require one extra conversion that the BD won't need, but honestly I doubt even that would be audible. I also order the SACD not just because it is cheaper, but because I can just push play, and not to worry about loading times and menus of a video based disc.
post #267 of 378
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Originally Posted by thehun View Post

Seriously, were you expecting any differences?....

Expecting no.....but wouldn't you agree that it's also better to have a "free" 99%+ conformation than just a likely but still unknown assumption?
post #268 of 378
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Expecting no.....but wouldn't you agree that it's also better to have a "free" 99%+ conformation than just a likely but still unknown assumption?

No assumption here,there is absolutely no reason to believe that these two were sourced from different masters and or mixes, and frankly a subjective confirmation is hardly a proof of anything regardless which way they peg. but YMMV.
post #269 of 378
Got the WYWH SACD yesterday and disappointed. I have a high end system and experience in Pro Audio for many years. My take is that the bottom end is very good, the MCH is mixed a bit hot, but both "some of the guitars" and definitely vocal are band limited and missing upper mids and high freqs while also being mixed too far down in the mix.

I do like the bottom end. I did hear things I have not heard before (or noticed) in the vinyl or CD. But verified by playing the 2 CH CD that the vocals and guitar are just a miss. This is nowhere as well done as many SACD's - Steely Dan for example. And I was really looking forward to this...

~Bob
post #270 of 378
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Originally Posted by rebop View Post

Got the WYWH SACD yesterday and disappointed. I have a high end system and experience in Pro Audio for many years. My take is that the bottom end is very good, the MCH is mixed a bit hot, but both "some of the guitars" and definitely vocal are band limited and missing upper mids and high freqs while also being mixed too far down in the mix.

Thanks for that assessment. Seems to agree with Bill Mac's, so I won't be buying the SACD which AFAICT is actually pretty reasonably priced.

My cheap buy of a used CD of WYWH wasn't to my taste. If used SACD discs show up, maybe I'll buy one, depending on price.
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