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post #91 of 508
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Originally Posted by Davo52 View Post

Just got my 510 from Costco today and was very pleased with the appearance and enclosure build quality. The high gloss black cabinets accented with polished aluminum are well-fitted and look very nice. I'm not so sure about the circuit build quality though.

I spent about 30 minutes trying to dial in the sound I wanted and was making progress (I thought) but have been sidetracked by an annoying whine reported by others (also present in some 210's) and a "snap, crackle, and pop" when changing TV channels. I have it connected via optical directly from my digital (AT&T Uverse/Motorola) cable box. Because of these aberrant noises, I have not even tried the 510 with my Oppo yet.

The whine is not loud but can be heard when the volume is muted or when the 510 is turned off - you have to unplug it for the whine to stop. The "snap, crackle, and pop" during channel changing is moderately loud. How many others have had these problems?

I really want the 510 to work for me. It fits so well with my system and oozes good looks and class (for relatively little $) and there is the hint of comparatively good sound with what I have heard so far. I expect that the prevailing advice would be to return it and see how the replacement 510 performs.

I read that Davyo had to return his first 510 and was quite pleased with his replacement and that others have had issues with their 210's. This does raise the possibility that Vizio may have a few circuit component quality control issues.

My comments are by no means a "rant" and because of the predominately positive opinions of the recent Vizio soundbars, I will go to the trouble to get another 510 from Costco and will report on the replacement.

David

Yes, I had to exchange my first 510 because of the whine and because the LED's quit working,,, now, everything is working perfectly,,, very happy with the 510.

Dont let one bad 510 keep you from getting another one,,, they really are great sounding systems.

Cheers
Davyo
post #92 of 508
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Originally Posted by anitract View Post

Hey can you link to the stands? You've got me curious. Thanks!

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...=2#description

I didn't use them for speakers in this thread, it was for a different set but I really like the stands.
post #93 of 508
If not using rear speakers, should i get the Vizio 210 or JVC BA1.

From what I have read thus far they seem to be equal? Maybe it should come down to which i can get the best price on.

Also, I have not completely ruled out the sony 150 or 350, but from what I have read its benefits end at HDMI inputs.
Would the sony sound better with all direct HDMI inputs, than the vizio and JVC if I did all HDMI into TV and than out to the bar with optical? I prefer to have the components auto switch either by HDMI switch or directly with the sound bar.
post #94 of 508
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Originally Posted by nokkieny View Post

If not using rear speakers, should i get the Vizio 210 or JVC BA1.

Having owned both of them, my pick would be the JVC.

Cheers
Davyo
post #95 of 508
Davyo, thanks for the reviews. Can you say how music sounds with the 510? Also, Vizio mentions an optional dock for an iPod for the unit, I assume it's just a separate input from the RCA/Optical inputs?
post #96 of 508
Do you guys use TruVolume and TruSurround on the VHT510? I tried to calibrate the speakers with the Radioshack SPL with both settings on and could not get an even volume from the speakers.
post #97 of 508
Got my 510 in the mail today. Plugged it in for the first time and I hear a definite high pitched background whine without the thing even being turned on yet. I am super annoyed. Where is the quality control these days?
post #98 of 508
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Originally Posted by anitract View Post

Got my 510 in the mail today. Plugged it in for the first time and I hear a definite high pitched background whine without the thing even being turned on yet. I am super annoyed. Where is the quality control these days?

I don't own one of these, but knowing wireless devices it could be interference from this. Also, sometimes certain power outlets may cause this, try moving it to different parts of the room to see if you can see any difference in the "whine".
post #99 of 508
Do you guys use TruVolume and TruSurround for the VHT510? I tried to calibrate the speakers using Avia II and the RadioShack SPL with TruVolume and TruSurround on but could not get the speakers to be equal volume. Turning them off, I was able to achieve equal volume but movies do not sound as good with them off.
post #100 of 508
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Originally Posted by FoxHoundADAM View Post

I don't own one of these, but knowing wireless devices it could be interference from this. Also, sometimes certain power outlets may cause this, try moving it to different parts of the room to see if you can see any difference in the "whine".

Yeah I tried several outlets throughout my house w/ no change. A little more detail about the whine: The soft whine when the unit is off is always here, but once turned on, as I change the volume and the LED moves, the whine changes pitch....its kinda funny it's almost like a musical device actually. Also when I pause it the whine/musical note goes in and out in time with the LED pulsing.

I've already set my return up for this. I think I may order the JVC BA1 or BA3 next.

The reason why I am not getting another unit, aside from feeling like I may get a lemon again is that I am somewhat underwhelmed w/ the thing's music playback. It sounds decent I guess, but I was expecting more w/ the additional rear speakers...

Speaking of the rear speakers, I noticed that sound coming out of these speakers has a sort of echoy tin-can like sound to it. Anyone else confirm?
post #101 of 508
I have read everything I can find including the user manual for these. I even went to Costco and read the box. I get the distinct impression that these do not really do 5.1 sound decoding. I think they do 2.0 sound and then synthesize 5.1 sound. Am I wrong? Has anyone (for example) tried the THX audio test and actually had the correct speaker make the sound when it's supposed to?

In particular the box goes out of the way to say DTS 2.0 and Dolby Digital but not ever mention actual 5.1 sound.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jay W
post #102 of 508
First off, I'd like to thank all of you for the great info in this and many of the other threads on this forum!

I have a room that's pretty much impossible to get a 5.1 or 7.1 setup in. (see attached) I just purchased the Sony CT150, and after some initial testing, it just seems to have a hollowed out sound. Kinda like the sound right before your ears pop while trapped in a tin can. I've tried different settings, and hookups, but it's just not satisfying to my ears.

So, my question is, based on the limitations of my room setup, would there be any sense going for the 510 and using the rears as additional fronts since using them as rears just really isn't possible? Should I go for the JVC BA1 instead? Is there something coming out soon that would work better for a room setup like mine?

I'm really new to all of this and would really appreciate any tips and advice. Thanks in advance!
LL
post #103 of 508
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Originally Posted by jayw View Post

I have read everything I can find including the user manual for these. I even went to Costco and read the box. I get the distinct impression that these do not really do 5.1 sound decoding. I think they do 2.0 sound and then synthesize 5.1 sound. Am I wrong? Has anyone (for example) tried the THX audio test and actually had the correct speaker make the sound when it's supposed to?

In particular the box goes out of the way to say DTS 2.0 and Dolby Digital but not ever mention actual 5.1 sound.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jay W

Anyone able to confirm whether this is really 5.1 or just says it?
post #104 of 508
Will the vizio 510 work in the same room as a 2.4ghz router or will it ruin the wireless signal/interfere
post #105 of 508
I have the VHT 210 and it coexists nicely with WiFi. FWIW
post #106 of 508
I'm deciding if I want to go big and ugly (used jbl 8340's I have with svs sbs-01 and a cheap sub + AVR) or nice and small (soundbar) for my rarely used second room.
post #107 of 508
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Originally Posted by jayw View Post

Anyone able to confirm whether this is really 5.1 or just says it?

Neither of Vizio's previous soundbars did true 5.1, nor do many of their similarly priced, powered competitors. Having not tested the 510 or seen one in the flesh, I really don't know. My guess is the soundbar is taking the multi-channel signal and synthysizing the surround mix. Done correctly, this can be just as enjoyable as true 5.1. Done poorly it can be barely listenable.
post #108 of 508
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Originally Posted by Husher View Post

First off, I'd like to thank all of you for the great info in this and many of the other threads on this forum!

I have a room that's pretty much impossible to get a 5.1 or 7.1 setup in. (see attached) I just purchased the Sony CT150, and after some initial testing, it just seems to have a hollowed out sound. Kinda like the sound right before your ears pop while trapped in a tin can. I've tried different settings, and hookups, but it's just not satisfying to my ears.

So, my question is, based on the limitations of my room setup, would there be any sense going for the 510 and using the rears as additional fronts since using them as rears just really isn't possible? Should I go for the JVC BA1 instead? Is there something coming out soon that would work better for a room setup like mine?

I'm really new to all of this and would really appreciate any tips and advice. Thanks in advance!

There is nothing wrong with using the additional speakers towards the front sides. You would probably need to adjust the level and delay for absolute best sound.

As to the other choices, I believe the JVC as well as the 210 Vizio would give you highly improved sound from your TV's speakers. The JVC produces 5 channels of sound from the four speakers with excellent clarity plus the sub is one of the best HTIB subs I have ever heard. The equal of stand alone subs costing at least four or five times the cost.
post #109 of 508
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Originally Posted by Dysrhythmic View Post

Do you guys use TruVolume and TruSurround for the VHT510? I tried to calibrate the speakers using Avia II and the RadioShack SPL with TruVolume and TruSurround on but could not get the speakers to be equal volume. Turning them off, I was able to achieve equal volume but movies do not sound as good with them off.

Tru-volume is sound leveling for dolby broadcast signals while Tru-surround is synthisized surround. These can not be calibrated as a true five channel sound mix. If you want the full dynamics of the surround mode, it is best to leave Tru-Volume off unless listening late at night with qualified material.

For calibration, you should do this only for two channel audio.
post #110 of 508
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Originally Posted by drfreeman60 View Post

Tru-volume is sound leveling for dolby broadcast signals while Tru-surround is synthisized surround. These can not be calibrated as a true five channel sound mix. If you want the full dynamics of the surround mode, it is best to leave Tru-Volume off unless listening late at night with qualified material.

For calibration, you should do this only for two channel audio.

What does synthesized surround mean? If I'm watching a BD is it best to leave it off? What about if I'm watching 2 channel sources?
post #111 of 508
Well the UPS driver just dropped off the box and I am now an owner of this bad boy. No time now to set it up, but will give my impressions when I have a chance.

So is this considered the official owners thread or is someone going to start it?
post #112 of 508
I also question whether this is true 5.1 decoding or just synthesizes 5.1. It's my understanding that the DTS logo should be "DTS 2.0 + digital out" if the product does true 5.1 based on the DTS whitepapers. The lack of "+ digital out" has me confused. Any insight on this would be great as it's the only thing holding me back from getting this. Thanks!

Here's the excerpt from the whitepaper

DTS-HD 2.0 + Digital Out denotes the ability of outputting
DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 2.0 Lossy channels directly to a
TV or external amplifier through analog outputs. Also capable of
outputting DTS-HD High Resolution Audio streams to an
external decoder such as an A/V receiver or pre-amp/processor.
post #113 of 508
davyo,
I've been reading your posts about different soundbars. I was originally looking to get the Bose Cinemate series II, but have now decided to go with a soundbar after reading your opinions. Here is my question. I was completely sold on the JVC TH-BA1, but I noticed the Vizio 510 is your new number 1. I'm not interested in rear speakers and only want a soundbar and a sub. So would you recommend the JVC TH-BA1 or the Vizio VT210? Thanks for any help.
post #114 of 508
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Originally Posted by jayw View Post

I have read everything I can find including the user manual for these. I even went to Costco and read the box. I get the distinct impression that these do not really do 5.1 sound decoding. I think they do 2.0 sound and then synthesize 5.1 sound. Am I wrong? Has anyone (for example) tried the THX audio test and actually had the correct speaker make the sound when it's supposed to?

In particular the box goes out of the way to say DTS 2.0 and Dolby Digital but not ever mention actual 5.1 sound.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Jay W

Technically speaking, true 5.1 is actually easier done than the virtual one. Its implementation is very straightforward when there are right input bitstream and enough speakers. So I think VHT510 is able to do that.
post #115 of 508
I just read a Cnet review that complained about a constant whining noise that could only be stopped by unplugging the unit. Someone also complained about that here. Was that just a bad unit or are they all like that?

I also wonder if this unit would sound good in a 20 by 30 foot living room. I've always heard that soundbars are only good for small rooms. I bought a Bose 3 in 1 a few years back and even in a slightly smaller room I didn't notice any surround effect at all.

Thanks for the advice.
post #116 of 508
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Originally Posted by mike4361 View Post

I just read a Cnet review that complained about a constant whining noise that could only be stopped by unplugging the unit. Someone also complained about that here. Was that just a bad unit or are they all like that?

I also wonder if this unit would sound good in a 20 by 30 foot living room. I've always heard that soundbars are only good for small rooms. I bought a Bose 3 in 1 a few years back and even in a slightly smaller room I didn't notice any surround effect at all.

Thanks for the advice.

Soundbars can work fine in a 20x30 room, just depends on which soundbar and what shaped room.

Not getting a surround effect with your old Bose 321 could have been many factors,, your source material, the amount of refelective walls and many other factors.

There are some great soundbars out there these days, my personal favorites are the JVC BA1, Yamaha YSP's, Vizio VHT510 (has rear speakers) and the Sony CT-150 to name a few,,,,,,,, the JVC is my top favorite,, the Vizio VHT510 if you want rear speakers.

Best thing to do is read up on all the soundbars and try some out, you can always return what you dont like.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

Cheers
Davyo
post #117 of 508
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Originally Posted by davyo View Post

Soundbars can work fine in a 20x30 room, just depends on which soundbar and what shaped room.

Not getting a surround effect with your old Bose 321 could have been many factors,, your source material, the amount of refelective walls and many other factors.

There are some great soundbars out there these days, my personal favorites are the JVC BA1, Yamaha YSP's, Vizio VHT510 (has rear speakers) and the Sony CT-150 to name a few,,,,,,,, the JVC is my top favorite,, the Vizio VHT510 if you want rear speakers.

Best thing to do is read up on all the soundbars and try some out, you can always return what you dont like.

Welcome to the forum by the way.

Cheers
Davyo


Thanks Davyo,

I've been reading your review and all your posts about the Vizio 510 and had decided to go to Costco today and pick one up until I heard about the whining problem in the Cnet review. Did you have that problem?
post #118 of 508
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Originally Posted by mike4361 View Post

Thanks Davyo,

I've been reading your review and all your posts about the Vizio 510 and had decided to go to Costco today and pick one up until I heard about the whining problem in the Cnet review. Did you have that problem?

Yes,,, I had the whinning problem with my first 510 and the LED's also quit working,,,,,, I exchanged it for another 510 and the one I have now has been problem free and works great.

But yes,,, Vizio needs to work out the bugs in their new soundbars,, these problems have been happening more than a few times as reported here, and it not just with the 510, its also with the 210.

I have to guess Vizio aint to happy right now with all the returns and exchanges they are getting on their new'est soundbars,,,, I would bet they are going to have the issue's fixed real quick.

Cheers
Davyo
post #119 of 508
Thanks again Davyo,

I saw some end-of-2009 threads about a new JVC and also saw a JVC TH-bs7 soundbar. Are these any good?

My rear speakers are going to have to sit on the floor (very strong wife factor) so would this defeat the purpose of even having rear speakers? What would be the best unit without rear speakers?

One of my biggest concerns is the fact that both my wife and I have trouble understanding the voices on shows.

Also, when the specs say the wireless sub-woofer is line-of-sight does that mean it's has to be directly in front of the transmitter, like a remote control has to be?
post #120 of 508
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Originally Posted by mike4361 View Post

Thanks again Davyo,

I saw some end-of-2009 threads about a new JVC and also saw a JVC TH-bs7 soundbar. Are these any good?

My rear speakers are going to have to sit on the floor (very strong wife factor) so would this defeat the purpose of even having rear speakers? What would be the best unit without rear speakers?

One of my biggest concerns is the fact that both my wife and I have trouble understanding the voices on shows.

Also, when the specs say the wireless sub-woofer is line-of-sight does that mean it's has to be directly in front of the transmitter, like a remote control has to be?

Hey Mike

I cant comment on the BS7 as the only thing I know about it is from the JVC website.

Yes,,, "in my opinion" the JVC BA1 is the very BEST soundbar (that does not use rear speakers).

For hearing voices the JVC ROCKS, being able to turn up the center channel to better hear the dialog on the JVC works perfectly,,,, with the BA1 you will never ever never have a problem hearing dialog.

The sub does not need to be in direct line of sight like the remote, I had my JVC sub to the side of the bar in the corner of my room,,, when I talked to JVC they seemed to claim the sub can even be placed behind a couch but I never tried that so I cant say if that works or not.

The JVC uses radio waves to send the signal to the sub so I think all you need to worry about it is only that the sub is in the same room with nothing covering it,, but then again Im not 100% sure on that.

Cheers
Davyo
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