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post #121 of 185
And speaking of tilting your head while you watch 3D...

I noticed with Frank's SbS test images that as I moved my head around, the ghost image of the dog actually changed a little. Certain areas of the image appeared to have more ghosting than other parts of the image, and it seemed to "flow" as I moved. I noticed the same thing in Monsters vs Aliens. As I moved my head, ghosting seemed worse with my head in certain positions. Obviously, this is an artifact created by the glasses themselves, not the display or the movie.
post #122 of 185
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

And speaking of tilting your head while you watch 3D...

I noticed with Frank's SbS test images that as I moved my head around, the ghost image of the dog actually changed a little. Certain areas of the image appeared to have more ghosting than other parts of the image, and it seemed to "flow" as I moved. I noticed the same thing in Monsters vs Aliens. As I moved my head, ghosting seemed worse with my head in certain positions. Obviously, this is an artifact created by the glasses themselves, not the display or the movie.

Right, so my hope is that better or faster shuttering glasses should help out a bit with crosstalk right?
post #123 of 185
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Originally Posted by neo0285 View Post

Right, so my hope is that better or faster shuttering glasses should help out a bit with crosstalk right?

I don't think there's any question that improvements in shutter glasses will decrease crosstalk, while the increased scale of production will make them cheaper.
post #124 of 185
Ghosting update on my PN63C8000. I recently upgraded my avr to the Onkyo TX-NR3008 and I no longer have ghosting issues. Images look sharper, more vivid and way more defined. The 3D imagery is outstanding. All the problems I was complaining about with My Bloody Valentine are pretty much gone. The PQ looks great now. Thank you Onkyo. What a nice machine.
post #125 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Ghosting update on my PN63C8000. I recently upgraded my avr to the Onkyo TX-NR3008 and I no longer have ghosting issues. Images look sharper, more vivid and way more defined. The 3D imagery is outstanding. All the problems I was complaining about with My Bloody Valentine are pretty much gone. The PQ looks great now. Thank you Onkyo. What a nice machine.

That falls into the "I'd have to see it to believe it" category. It seems very unlikely. I'd like to know if Onkyo makes any such claim - maybe due to some very sophisticated video processing?. That would be huge news. If you have further reports and evidence, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, color me very skeptical.
post #126 of 185
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

That falls into the "I'd have to see it to believe it" category. It seems very unlikely. I'd like to know if Onkyo makes any such claim - maybe due to some very sophisticated video processing?. That would be huge news. If you have further reports and evidence, I'd like to see them. Otherwise, color me very skeptical.

Once I turned the video processor off on my Onkyo, there was no ghosting either.
post #127 of 185
Well I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't expecting to see the increase in PQ. I didn't turn off anything on the Onkyo. Did calibrate my tv according to suggestions I found on here. So basically my BD-C6900 is connected via 1.4 to my onkyo and a 1.4. Direct to my 63c8000. I can't stress enough how good my set looks now. Maybe my cable run was too long originally and when I thru the rx'er into the mix with built in repeaters that my signal became stronger hence the better pq, this isn't a joke, a lie. It is in fact working as described. I'm just as suprised as you but yet extremely happy with this result nevermind the lossless sound. Big big difference if I could explain why the increase in pq I would but regardless what I'm seeing and saying is true.
post #128 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Well I don't know what to tell you. I wasn't expecting to see the increase in PQ. I didn't turn off anything on the Onkyo. Did calibrate my tv according to suggestions I found on here. So basically my BD-C6900 is connected via 1.4 to my onkyo and a 1.4. Direct to my 63c8000. I can't stress enough how good my set looks now. Maybe my cable run was too long originally and when I thru the rx'er into the mix with built in repeaters that my signal became stronger hence the better pq, this isn't a joke, a lie. It is in fact working as described. I'm just as suprised as you but yet extremely happy with this result nevermind the lossless sound. Big big difference if I could explain why the increase in pq I would but regardless what I'm seeing and saying is true.

Sorry. Didn't mean to come off so negatively. I don't see how the AVR could cause the difference, but who knows. Did you make other changes besides the cables when you added the AVR, such as updating the TV or the player?
post #129 of 185
Not at all, just added the rx'er and there you go. I bitched a lot in here about My Bloody Valentine when it first came out even went back to Best Buy and exchanged it with the same video quality but now it looks great. I'm just happy it was my tv or calibration after all. Somehow my Onkyo TX-NR3008 it helping with PQ without knowing how but it is and looks freaking awesome.
post #130 of 185
I have the same set, receiver, etc... LOOKS AMAZING. I have zero ghosting. Why... no idea. I am just happy it works and works WELL!!
post #131 of 185
If infact this is the case, then maybe the samsung tv's have a problem interpreting certain 3d signals. maybe your onkyo accepts the 3d signal interprets it properly and shoots it out to your tv in a 3d signal the tv can handle better, can anyone else confirm this?
post #132 of 185
Neo, that's exactly what I'm thinking as well. Not only Is the ghosting pretty much eliminated, the detail is way more defined, depth is way more defined, don't know what else to say but what i'm seeing now since adding this new avr into the mix is what I was hoping to see when I first purshased the tv back in August. Whatever this receiver has built in is making a huge huge difference from my original config which just had my c6900 running directly to the tv. It is now hands down stunning. Very proud of this set up now. Please post whatever you find in regards to this because again it's a huge difference in quality.
post #133 of 185
Especially the 3D quality!
post #134 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Ghosting update on my PN63C8000. I recently upgraded my avr to the Onkyo TX-NR3008 and I no longer have ghosting issues. Images look sharper, more vivid and way more defined. The 3D imagery is outstanding. All the problems I was complaining about with My Bloody Valentine are pretty much gone. The PQ looks great now. Thank you Onkyo. What a nice machine.

How did your receiver fix the ghosting if it is only pass through for the picture? Now I wonder if it will improve my Sammy 8000 led. Was MBV previously as bad for you as it is on my set? Cuz it's got ridiculous ghosting!
post #135 of 185
Never had a problem with MVA, only really had a problem with My Bloody Valentine and I'm using the same 1.4 cable from the avr to the tv that I was using going from ny 3d player directly to the tv. The only think I can think of that would cause or enhance the pq is the built in repeaters making my signal transfer stronger and in return improved pq, but again night and day difference. Wish I could show you all so you could see the difference.
post #136 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Never had a problem with MVA, only really had a problem with My Bloody Valentine and I'm using the same 1.4 cable from the avr to the tv that I was using going from ny 3d player directly to the tv. The only think I can think of that would cause or enhance the pq is the built in repeaters making my signal transfer stronger and in return improved pq, but again night and day difference. Wish I could show you all so you could see the difference.

I was under the impression cables aren't really 1.3 or 1.4 it only the devices that are. I'm using same hdmi cables I bought 5 years ago for over $100 a piece. I don't believe that makes the difference. Am I wrong?
post #137 of 185
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Originally Posted by Blurayjunkie View Post

How did your receiver fix the ghosting if it is only pass through for the picture? Now I wonder if it will improve my Sammy 8000 led. Was MBV previously as bad for you as it is on my set? Cuz it's got ridiculous ghosting!

I have to ask. Have you tried plugging your BD player directly into your TV to see if that makes any difference with crosstalk/ghosting? It may be that some receivers just mess with the video when they should only be stripping the audio.
post #138 of 185
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Originally Posted by banduraj View Post


I have to ask. Have you tried plugging your BD player directly into your TV to see if that makes any difference with crosstalk/ghosting? It may be that some receivers just mess with the video when they should only be stripping the audio.

My receiver isn't hdmi 1.4 so I already have the BD player directly to tv
post #139 of 185
This film was ghosting like crazy on my Samsung 46". Realllllllly bad.
post #140 of 185
Bought this title today at BB for 9.99. Just thought I'd let those know that its on sale for a good buy being that it is just a slasher flick.

Have PN63C8000 and experienced ghosting on the mentioned scenes and some clipping in and out with the glasses. I rewound it after a clipping problem to find out that it worked fine in exact same spot. So guess its a glasses issue?
post #141 of 185
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Bought this title today at BB for 9.99. Just thought I'd let those know that its on sale for a good buy being that it is just a slasher flick.

Is there a difference in content between the two versions at Best Buy?

The BB exclusive version is $34.99
The regular MBV 3D movie is the $9.99 you mentioned.
post #142 of 185
Actually, the $9.99 version is the anaglyph version correct?
I just noticed it says on the cover "includes 4 free 3D glasses"

How did you get the true MBV 3D for $9.99? That's a great deal.
post #143 of 185
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Originally Posted by Columbo345 View Post

Actually, the $9.99 version is the anaglyph version correct?
I just noticed it says on the cover "includes 4 free 3D glasses"

How did you get the true MBV 3D for $9.99? That's a great deal.

Ya, it sounds like he bought the wrong one.
post #144 of 185
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Originally Posted by chriss2d View Post

Heavy ghosting for me too on my Sammy PN58c8000. Maybe the worst so far. Pretty nice 3-D effect throughout though. Forgettable film with decent 3-D.

How long is the HDMI cable you are running? 50ft or more?
post #145 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

How long is the HDMI cable you are running? 50ft or more?

It's not a cable issue. It's a simple matter of high contrast subject matter (bright lanterns in a mine, etc.). Only DLP owners seem to be reporting that they see no ghosting.
post #146 of 185
Well the reason I'm saying this is because on my PN63C8000 plasma it was terrible, bought a new Onkyo TX-NR3008 with 1.4 repeater built in and i no longer have that problem and the cable length is 50ft in my set up. For whatever reason once I was running my bdp thru my rxer then to the tv the picture issues I was having with this movie pretty much went away.
post #147 of 185
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Originally Posted by Wellywell View Post

Well the reason I'm saying this is because on my PN63C8000 plasma it was terrible, bought a new Onkyo TX-NR3008 with 1.4 repeater built in and i no longer have that problem and the cable length is 50ft in my set up. For whatever reason once I was running my bdp thru my rxer then to the tv the picture issues I was having with this movie pretty much went away.

I still don't understand this. I don't run my HDMI signal through a receiver. My Samsung PN63C8000 gets its signal straight from a Panasonic 350 3D Blu-ray player. The ghosting is by no means terrible, but it's there. It's present in high contrast 3D films, like MBV. It's hard to imagine why a receiver like your Onkyo would improve terrible ghosting problems, unless it somehow changed the timing of the emitter. I don't know why that would happen, either. The emitter is built into the TV, so the flashes that control the glasses should be functioning the same way, with the same timing.
post #148 of 185
I tried the onkyo tx808 along with my Sammy led 55/8000, it didn't change any ghosting whatsoever. I proved this by comparing with the 3d player connected directly to the tv because i have a ps3 & a sammy 3d player. I did try a calibration on another thread & it helped make the ghosting bearable, even on MBV, but the calibration makes the colors more bland. Wellywell must have improved it with a better calibration not the receiver. I think the only hope is a firmware, improved glasses, better quality 3DBD's. I refuse to accept lcds are so much inferior in 3d like everyones saying! It will improve but once again early adopters suffer!
post #149 of 185
I'm having the same problem, of all my 3D movies this one is by far the worse. The one scene that makes me cringe at how bad ghosting is is at the beginning, with the hand in the foreground. The 3D effect looks great, it definitely looks like it's almost outside the TV, but ghosting is pretty obvious. I agree with what one of the other posters said, it seems like ghosting isn't an issue with DLP at all. The problem is though, from what I've read, DLP is just about to be out of production. It seems a lot of movie producers aren't making it in the checkerboard 3D effect, which I've read is what DLP relies on.

However, something else I think that's an interesting thing to take into consideration, is that all the movies that are currently out were designed for big screen performance. I wonder if somehow in the conversion, it picks up these problems. Because I notice ghosting in this movie, and that hand scene is pretty bad. However, I've got a PS3 and I've played all the 3D games on it except for Tumble and the MLB baseball game, including Call of Duty, and I never notice any ghosting/crosstalk. At the same time, these games were DESIGNED to be on smaller screens at home, so they may apply a different kind of 3D image production to it. Also, the 3D effects on the games look superior I think to the 3D movies, again ebcause they're optimized for a small screen.

It'd be great if the game industry could share it's optimization techniques with movie producers!
post #150 of 185
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Originally Posted by DenisG View Post

Ya, it sounds like he bought the wrong one.

I got this for $9.99 as well, and I assure you it's the 3D Bluray, with the official 3D logo and the sticker on the front warning that you need a 3DTV, 3D player, and 3D glasses.

They had to manually change the price at check-out, but were happy to do so considering there was a sign at the display rack that read "My Bloody Valentine 3D - $9.99").

YMMV.
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