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post #1531 of 2876
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Originally Posted by mttrhll View Post

I'm about to pull the trigger on an 8700UB... to be honest hearing the stories of people sending lots of pjs back to epson scares me...

but onto my qs:

1 - I emailed the AV science guys (no reply yet)... someone mentioned a while ago they can check their pjs before shipping... anyone know any details about what they check and if you have to ask them somehow during the ordering process?

2 - I want to find a low profile projector mount and the following features would be nice: (in order of importance)
  • very low profile (low ceiling)
  • thumbs screws for mount/dismount
  • colored white

Anyone have a suggestion?

I found a couple online that may work .. one from Projector-Gear looks pretty good and will space the pj 4" from the ceiling... i saw one other that looked like it got that down to 3" or so.

pm sent.


Benito
post #1532 of 2876
I currently own an Epson 8350. The projector lens is 17ft from wall and ceiling mounted. My wall is a diy neutral grey. It looks really good. But i have a friend who really wants to buy my projector from me and im REALLY considering getting the 8700ub. But if the main difference is just about blacks then its not worth the extra money. But if its a clearly noticeable difference all the way around and worth the extra 600 dollars once you minus the cost of the extra lamp then i would like to get it. I just got into the projector game a few months back when i bought the 8350 so im a newbie and when it comes to projectors. I posted it on this forum becuz u already own the 8700ub and already know the differences. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
post #1533 of 2876
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

yeah please do, you'll save me some work I'm about to switch over the strictly XBMC as well since I'm sick of the PS3 issues not playing certain files and whatnot. I'm hoping the Kinect support gets a little better too so I can use hand and voice vs a mouse to control it in the theater

check out this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...0#post20522460

what I can say for now - XBMC sucks, it was such a good piece of SW on XBOX. Now I am strongly dissapointed - no way to properly calibrate XBMC with the PJ.
post #1534 of 2876
hi,

I posted an update to my post comparing 8350 and 8700, please read it as it has some surpsising remark at the end:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1431
post #1535 of 2876
How long will Epson swap out a projector for a convergence issue or similar? The whole 2 yrs of warranty? I ask because I bought one in march that I probably won't even take out of the box for 3 more months due to renovations and am concerned I will finally set it up and have one of the issues I keep reading about.
post #1536 of 2876
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Originally Posted by wickedg8gt
I currently own an Epson 8350. The projector lens is 17ft from wall and ceiling mounted. My wall is a diy neutral grey. It looks really good. But i have a friend who really wants to buy my projector from me and im REALLY considering getting the 8700ub. But if the main difference is just about blacks then its not worth the extra money. But if its a clearly noticeable difference all the way around and worth the extra 600 dollars once you minus the cost of the extra lamp then i would like to get it. I just got into the projector game a few months back when i bought the 8350 so im a newbie and when it comes to projectors. I posted it on this forum becuz u already own the 8700ub and already know the differences. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
Only you can determine what is worth it but for me it was a no brainer. The 8350 lacks pop and look lifeless next to the 8700. Its sharper, better colrs, better motion etc. As for the comments by helkick, I just don't agree and his own screenshots show the difference IMHO. I had both Pj's as well, and in my room at least, the blacks alone were enough to justify the cost
post #1537 of 2876
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Originally Posted by newfmp3
I had both Pj's as well, and in my room at least, the blacks alone were enough to justify the cost
Bingo! The performance of PJs is highly dependent on so many external factors such as screens, room size, treatments, carpets, pj location, and I can go on and on ad nauseum. On a properly setup room FOR the Epson 8350, this pj CAN provide the same pop and PQ as many pjs priced similarly and above.
post #1538 of 2876
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Originally Posted by ERuiz View Post

Kilgore,

Holy cow, I just did a recalibration using the PS3 on limited and the pj on expanded, and I ended up with the following :

Brightness: -18
Contrast: 17

What a difference where using PS3 full and pj normal would be:

Brightness: 1
Contrast: -5

I need to test out some movies and see how the PQ compares to each other.

UPDATE: When calibrating for the results posted above, I used AVSHD as regular mp4 files via my storage server (no BD). Now when I pop in my Spears and Munsil BD, I cannot see any of the bars when running the purge and contrast patterns. This is while in PJ-extended and PS3-limited modes.

THis is why you really need to play with your own settings for your room/projector and the screen you choose will really effect these numbers.
post #1539 of 2876
Hello everyone!

My 8700UB is on it's way.

What do you guys think about wall paints like "screen goo" instead of buying real screen? In my room, wall is covered with dark wallpapers with white spot to fit 120" screen. Room is fully light controlled with black out curtains everywhere. Throw distance is 16 feet. I am thinking of buying either 1.1 gain white screen or reference white goo paint.

Will there be any significant difference screen vs paint?
post #1540 of 2876
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Originally Posted by astep View Post

Hello everyone!

My 8700UB is on it's way.

What do you guys think about wall paints like "screen goo" instead of buying real screen? In my room, wall is covered with dark wallpapers with white spot to fit 120" screen. Room is fully light controlled with black out curtains everywhere. Throw distance is 16 feet. I am thinking of buying either 1.1 gain white screen or reference white goo paint.

Will there be any significant difference screen vs paint?

I don't have a lot of experience, but I can tell you I'm doing a Silver Fire screen, which is a painted screen. There is a section on here for DIY screens which would be a good place to ask about the Screen Goo.
post #1541 of 2876
Well, I've gone and done it.

I've had a Sony Cineza VPL HS-10 (the first WXGA projector to break the $3,000 price barrier) which I pre-ordered back in 2002 when it was released.

I'm now over 4,000 hours into my 5th bulb with over 23,000 hours on the chassis. She's been rock solid for me and I've only had to take it down for the occasional filter cleanings and lamp swaps.

Here's a parting screenshot for what has been an amazing run:



Anyhoo, I'm noticing the tell-tale signs of a dimming lamp and I couldn't bring myself to order yet another bulb. Instead, I ordered the Epson 8700UB and am looking forward to all of the advancements the past 9 years has brought us.

See you guys in 2020 when we have the OLED wallpaper tech worked out.
post #1542 of 2876
GREAT, bought the epson 8700ub and installed it for about 2 months now. Not even 120 hours on the lamp and now im getting light red/pink tint on the lower right of my projector. I can see it when i display white color stuffs. Does anyone have any experience on fixing this ? or should i just call Epson for replacement ? I hope it doesn't get worst and worst.
post #1543 of 2876
^^
I had a pink bar along the entire bottom of my screen show up after a few months. They swapped it out with a new one with no hassle and no down time
post #1544 of 2876
I'm very interested in this projector. But I'm playing Guitar Hero alot, so noticeable delay is a deal breaker for me. I don't notice any lag at all on my current Panasonic ax100.

Anyone having played Guitar Hero or Rock band (without having to calibrate video/audio in game)?
post #1545 of 2876
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Originally Posted by DedicatedHT View Post

^^
I had a pink bar along the entire bottom of my screen show up after a few months. They swapped it out with a new one with no hassle and no down time

My show at the bottom also. It's annoying as hell when watching 1920x1080p video. I will have to give them a call tomorrow. thanks
post #1546 of 2876
With all the issues with these epson's I am considering getting the extended warranty at some point. Anyone have any experience with it, is it any different then the typical 2 yr? Still overnight replacement?
post #1547 of 2876
I've just bought my first projector, which is the epson 8700, I tried to ceiling mount it myself but I keep getting this slight curve at the bottom corner both left and right. I don't know if I mount it in the correct position?
By the way, I'm using Magnum Screen Micrefine 4K 16:9 110" with natural curve of 40 degrees.

post #1548 of 2876
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

I'm very interested in this projector. But I'm playing Guitar Hero alot, so noticeable delay is a deal breaker for me. I don't notice any lag at all on my current Panasonic ax100.

Anyone having played Guitar Hero or Rock band (without having to calibrate video/audio in game)?

Not GH or RB but i used this projector a bit with MW2. Had absolutely no problem with it for the short time i used it.

Benny
post #1549 of 2876
I'm not really sensitive to delay myself but I have been fine. I'm not a heavy gaming competitor or anything. The only real issue i have left with this thing is a stuttering issue when using FI at any speed while using my HTPC.
post #1550 of 2876
I finished guitar hero 1, 2, and 3 on expert on a Sony projector.

In-game, I think I remember there being a calibration option I might have adjusted by a few milliseconds. I reckon the Epson would be similar.
post #1551 of 2876
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Originally Posted by vredg View Post

I'm very interested in this projector. But I'm playing Guitar Hero alot, so noticeable delay is a deal breaker for me. I don't notice any lag at all on my current Panasonic ax100.

Anyone having played Guitar Hero or Rock band (without having to calibrate video/audio in game)?

I was comparing the input lag to 8350 and this one had a bigger delay. Both in desktop and games. Sometimes I had an impression that the game cutscenes are not in sync with audio, especially hearing sword attacks. The 8350 was just in time, the 8700 was some milliseconds after. It may not dusturb someone not looking into this stuff, I was also not sensitive until I ran 8350 and 8700 side by side, changing cables, hdmi outputs, 8700 was always delayed comparing to 8350. I decided to stay with 8350 due to this input lag and the pricepoint. The blacks were not that much better to pay a grand more.
post #1552 of 2876
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Originally Posted by helcik View Post

I was comparing the input lag to 8350 and this one had a bigger delay. Both in desktop and games. Sometimes I had an impression that the game cutscenes are not in sync with audio, especially hearing sword attacks. The 8350 was just in time, the 8700 was some milliseconds after. It may not dusturb someone not looking into this stuff, I was also not sensitive until I ran 8350 and 8700 side by side, changing cables, hdmi outputs, 8700 was always delayed comparing to 8350. I decided to stay with 8350 due to this input lag and the pricepoint. The blacks were not that much better to pay a grand more.

So I'll ask this again...did you have Frame interpolation on at the time? Because that is the ONLY time I have ever seen ANY delay/lag. I just went through, CODMW2, Crysis, Portal2, Bulletstorm, a bit of dirt3 and finished Assasins Creed Brotherhood - and have noticed no delay...and this is coming from someone who games 95% of the time on a Plasma. That's Both PC and Xbox. I've done very little Ps3 in the last few months, but I didn't notice anything on GT5 either. The 8350 doesn[t have Frame Interpolation and you really have to double check this setting everytime you switch inputs

What did bother me with the 8350 was how it handled motion. Ghosting and blurring issues, and i could not see S#$% in dark scene's because the contrast was too low/bad. it's funny how everyone's eye is different.

this is what puzzles me as it has nothing to do with the PJ

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Sometimes I had an impression that the game cutscenes are not in sync with audio, especially hearing sword attacks
post #1553 of 2876
I am so behind in my gaming, Dirt 3??
Man I was about to test with DIRT 2, I better buy me a new copy then, hah.
post #1554 of 2876
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I am so behind in my gaming, Dirt 3??
Man I was about to test with DIRT 2, I better buy me a new copy then, hah.

Nothing wrong with Dirt 2, especially if you have a wheel
post #1555 of 2876
I can get a wheel, Dirt 2 is one of the few games I enjoyed recently as I don't game much.
It does get repetetive after a while (as does every game).

I'd like to see DIRT 3 though just to see if any improvements...
post #1556 of 2876
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

So I'll ask this again...did you have Frame interpolation on at the time?

Would also like to know if frame interpolation is the major cause of the difference in lag between the 8350 and 8700.

I also think that the delay issue is most prominent in rhythm games, more than say shooters or racing.
post #1557 of 2876
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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

So I'll ask this again...did you have Frame interpolation on at the time? Because that is the ONLY time I have ever seen ANY delay/lag. I just went through, CODMW2, Crysis, Portal2, Bulletstorm, a bit of dirt3 and finished Assasins Creed Brotherhood - and have noticed no delay...and this is coming from someone who games 95% of the time on a Plasma. That's Both PC and Xbox. I've done very little Ps3 in the last few months, but I didn't notice anything on GT5 either. The 8350 doesn[t have Frame Interpolation and you really have to double check this setting everytime you switch inputs

No, I do not use FI as it makes the movies too theatrical and not film-like. I do not watch TV on the PJ. I do not say the lag was terrible, just bigger than on 8350. I could not see it until I ran both PJ's side by side.


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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

What did bother me with the 8350 was how it handled motion. Ghosting and blurring issues, and i could not see S#$% in dark scene's because the contrast was too low/bad. it's funny how everyone's eye is different.

Before I properly calibrated both PJ's I could not see the shadow details on any. Anyway, 8700 was better in that regard, but not dramatically.

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Originally Posted by newfmp3 View Post

this is what puzzles me as it has nothing to do with the PJ

Yes, it has, the 8350 was just in time, the 8700 picture was a bit delayed on sword hits to the audio, the scenes were very dynamic and it just didn't make the story on 8700.

Anyway it was just my impression, please do not suggest too much, my testing setup was highly unprofessional, just some basic calibration and simple observation of an average user.

I did a side-by-side test for my wife and she has chosen the 8350 as a better one, due to better colors (I did some color tweaks and left the 8700 colors out of the box).
Then I made a blind test for 3 of my collegues, showing the PJ's one after another and they could not even say which one is better. Once they watched them side-by-side they could see the difference in blacks, but again not dramatic.

This somehow convinced me with my observation and I decided to stay with 8350.
post #1558 of 2876
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Originally Posted by knot_m3 View Post

I've just bought my first projector, which is the epson 8700, I tried to ceiling mount it myself but I keep getting this slight curve at the bottom corner both left and right. I don't know if I mount it in the correct position?
By the way, I'm using Magnum Screen Micrefine 4K 16:9 110" with natural curve of 40 degrees.


you need to turn it left or right, or angle it up and down. search in this thread, many good info on how to align your projector correctly.
post #1559 of 2876
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Originally Posted by helcik View Post

hi,

I posted an update to my post comparing 8350 and 8700, please read it as it has some surpsising remark at the end:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...postcount=1431

the 8700 is much sharper, even the txt. Even look at your posted pictures. 8700 txt is way clearer than the 8350 "blurry txt"
post #1560 of 2876
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Originally Posted by charlievoviii View Post

you need to turn it left or right, or angle it up and down. search in this thread, many good info on how to align your projector correctly.

It basically amounts to this: (heh heh)
  1. Mount the projector so that the LENS is centered to the screen. (Note that this is an off-center lens projector so the projector housing itself will look off-center)
  2. Make the image smaller than your screen and ensure the image is square on all sides
  3. Now that the top and bottom are parallel, left and right are parallel, and it's all squared up, use horizontal and vertical lens shift to center the image
  4. Now that you have a perfectly squared image centered in your screen, use the zoom to fill the screen.

(special thanks to Mike /mjg100)
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