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post #1 of 26
10/6/10 at 2:38pm
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3d video movie update.


I think I have all the major things figured out.
I have picked Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs as my 1st movie i converted.
I converted the side by side 1080p .mkv version it to 6 15min clips.
With total-video-converter.

1st
I used total-video-converter
Converted to
Video
Xvid 1280 X 720p
24 fps,
Original bitrate.
Audio
Stereo
Pcm s16le
48000Hz
1563bp/s

The output of the file above cannot be larger than 2GB,
The VFW framework limit SMM was created with prevents stereo movie maker from using a file over 2GB. My guess the max length would be about 30-35 min of 1280 X 720p video.

2nd
stereo movie maker v120d with ffmpeg.exe for audio conversion in the same folder as SMM.
open stereo movie select the xvid avi.
Select input stereo movie type side-by-side(50%)
Once the file is open you may need to swap it.
If so go to View, the click swap left/right.

If the video needs to be swapped and you did not the 3d effect will not work when viewing the camera screen straight on, and you will have to tilt it to the left or right.

Then save as 3d-avi file.
1280X720p
Image quality 40%
Since it’s a small screen it looks good to me.
Save on some space.

After I was done converting the 6 15min clips each was about 2GB 11+GB total.



Tips
Before converting any long video file I recommend converting a 5 sec video sample to find any issues.

You may need to swap left/right. The 3d sweet spot will be off and not center, sample will help with this, so far it's about 50/50 for me.

Your input fill into stereo movie maker v120d can't be larger than 2GB.

Upgrade MyFinePix Studio to ver.2.0 For Windows 7 / Vista / XP,
It has some nice options to cut or connect 3d fuji movies. Original or converted from SMM. You can also run a full file through the cut option to fix some corruption.



Recommended software and links

Home site for Stereo movie maker V1.20. I will post a link to for v1.20d if it's ok with the original creator.
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stvmkr/index.html

total-video-converter not free but very easy to use.
http://www.effectmatrix.com/total-vi...rter/index.htm

MyFinePix Studio ver.2.0
http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digi...dio/index.html

nice site for 3d samples.
http://www.biohemmet.se/blandade3dvideosihd.php



My next project is to create a cable for headphones so I can watch movies when I travel.
The AV-C1 is the official av/usb cable.
http://www.fujifilmusa.com/products/...3/accessories/

I am not sure what will happen when i plug the cable in I hope the screen does not go black
Or into some other mode. i ordered the cable and will have to see what I can do.

A pinout of the av/usb port would be great, may it support stereo?
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post #2 of 26
10/13/10 at 12:19am
Hi, i was exactly tyring to do the same thing, and your post was really helpful.
Up to now i managed to play video on the w3, but the audio still doesn't work, and i ì'm looking for sources of good 3d content...
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post #3 of 26
10/15/10 at 3:05pm
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i had some issues with sound. you can try converting the audio will converting the video format so it is compliant with Stereo Movie Maker.

You can use 'ffmpeg.exe' as mentioned below this may help.

http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stvmkr/ (Stereo Movie Maker)
"The audio conversion for 3D AVI is now improved, allowing previously unshowable movies to be displayed on the W1/W3.
For movies that continue to give problems, SMM automatically uses 'ffmpeg.exe' for audio conversion, if it is in the same folder as SMM"

Stereo Movie Maker
http://stereo.jpn.org/eng/stvmkr/

I have a newer version "Stereo Movie Maker" the author emailed. this helped with some other issue of video length(long than 3-4min) they would not play on the fuji
If they had sound and would not have sound if they are longer than 3-4min..

I still have issues of 3d being off center with mkv and avi conversions.
have to tilt the camera to the left or right a little to see the 3d effect....
.TS and .TB videos work great with sound and perfect 3d.

but most video are mkv and avi...
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post #4 of 26
10/16/10 at 2:11pm
I converted a HD 3D video to 2560x720, xvid, avi. Plays fine, side by side.

When I try to open it in Stereo Movie maker I get the message 'Your video does not have FOURCC code."

What does this mean? Is there some conversion setting I need? codec?
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post #5 of 26
10/17/10 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

I converted a HD 3D video to 2560x720, xvid, avi. Plays fine, side by side.

When I try to open it in Stereo Movie maker I get the message 'Your video does not have FOURCC code."

What does this mean? Is there some conversion setting I need? codec?

You need to use XVID codec.
It is free.

Mathew Orman

http://www.*******************-usa.com/
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post #6 of 26
10/17/10 at 4:19pm
"You need to use XVID codec.
It is free."

Thanks for responding. That would be the right answer, except I have Windows 7, and there is no question I have the xvid codec. I can play xvid video files with media player, I have also created video files with other software using the xvid codec.

I am afraid this software is not very friendly in its error messages. I was finally able to read in a side-by-side 3d avi file, could view it anaglyph but could not a.) save it as an anaglyph video with any of the option codecs available or b.) convert it and save it to a video with the spec playable on the Fuji camera.

The OP needs to provide the exact specs - video and audio - that the software can read in and convert to the Fuji-spec file. I cannot reproduce what he says is being done.

More help needed.
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post #7 of 26
10/17/10 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

"You need to use XVID codec.
It is free."

Thanks for responding. That would be the right answer, except I have Windows 7, and there is no question I have the xvid codec. I can play xvid video files with media player, I have also created video files with other software using the xvid codec.

I am afraid this software is not very friendly in its error messages. I was finally able to read in a side-by-side 3d avi file, could view it anaglyph but could not a.) save it as an anaglyph video with any of the option codecs available or b.) convert it and save it to a video with the spec playable on the Fuji camera.

The OP needs to provide the exact specs - video and audio - that the software can read in and convert to the Fuji-spec file. I cannot reproduce what he says is being done.

More help needed.

Do you have the latest version of StereoMovie Maker?

Mathew Orman
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post #8 of 26
10/17/10 at 6:54pm
Yes, I have the latest version.
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post #9 of 26
10/18/10 at 4:59am
I could help you debug the problem if you could provide a sample of W3 3D video in 720p format.

Mathew Orman
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post #10 of 26
10/18/10 at 5:24am
Just found out that ROXIO Creator handles Fuji 3D video.

Mathew Orman
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post #11 of 26
10/18/10 at 5:56am
"I could help you debug the problem if you could provide a sample of W3 3D video in 720p format."

I appreciate your help. I have no problem reading a Fuji W3 file or converting it. The issue is reading and converting another kind of stereo file to the Fuji file. The codec or whatever issue is with respect to all but W3 files, in terms of the trouble I am having.

Roxio 2011 does read and edit a Fuji W3 file, but it cannot create one.
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post #12 of 26
10/18/10 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

"I could help you debug the problem if you could provide a sample of W3 3D video in 720p format."

I appreciate your help. I have no problem reading a Fuji W3 file or converting it. The issue is reading and converting another kind of stereo file to the Fuji file. The codec or whatever issue is with respect to all but W3 files, in terms of the trouble I am having.

Roxio 2011 does read and edit a Fuji W3 file, but it cannot create one.

Yes,

that is why I need an original sample of W3 3D 720p file.
Maybe it uses motion jepeg codec.

Mathew Orman
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post #13 of 26
10/18/10 at 7:33am
It does use motion jpeg. You can go to the Fuji site and download an original avi file if you need one.

The audio, which I think is the problem, is straight pcm at 48Hz and 16-bit.

I appreciate the help, but I know about codecs and bit rates and wrappers and know every spec of every video file I have (via software). What I do not understand is the stereomaker program.
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post #14 of 26
10/18/10 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by markr041 View Post

It does use motion jpeg. You can go to the Fuji site and download an original avi file if you need one.

The audio, which I think is the problem, is straight pcm at 48Hz and 16-bit.

I appreciate the help, but I know about codecs and bit rates and wrappers and know every spec of every video file I have (via software). What I do not understand is the stereomaker program.

OK,
I will find it and investigate.
Fuji must have same extra meta-data in header that makes it unique.
SMM is a very primitive application still based on VFW and not on WMF. I think it will be undated to work with W3.
There is a yahoo group that is dedicated to Fuji 3D products:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/fuji3d/

Mathew Orman
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post #15 of 26
10/18/10 at 9:58am
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I use total-video-converter to get any random stereo side by side 3d movie converted into a format stereo movie maker can use.
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post #16 of 26
10/18/10 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by acem77 View Post

I use total-video-converter to get any random stereo side by side 3d movie converted into a format stereo movie maker can use.

The problem with SMM is lack of codec option for the output.
W3 requires specific codec for both audio and video.
Also, what is needed is extensive AVI header editing capability. We should know in a while what's the secret.

Mathew Orman
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post #17 of 26
10/18/10 at 6:15pm
"I use total-video-converter to get any random stereo side by side 3d movie converted into a format stereo movie maker can use."

The name of the converter software is irrelevant. The question is what format can stereo movie maker "use". You had success, so give us the exact specs - video and audio codecs that you converted to that stereo movie maker can convert to the fuji W3 spec, including pcm audio.
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post #18 of 26
10/18/10 at 7:51pm
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i dont know all the specs, convert a few samples see what range smm uses.
most divx, xvid seemed to work for me.
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post #19 of 26
10/20/10 at 10:16am
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Here are some samples
the 1st is the xvid video in the 2nd link converted to the fuji mjpeg format by SMM v120d.
SBS 50%, quality 40%, 720p

the 2nd is the 5sec mkv i converted with total-video-converter to a xvid file for SMM to convert. I left all the video setting to default. I then canged the sound to pcm s16le.

720p Mjpeg for w3

SBS stereo MKV converted to xvid for SMM

the 1st video will play on a w3 with sound but the 3d sweet spot is off center...
you have to tilt the camera to the left or right for the true full effect.

I tied to change a few settings in SMM with no luck...3d sweet spot never is center.

so far with all my test .ts and .tb files converted to xvid then to w3 mjpeg
work great with the center 3d sweet spot.

it seems if i convert other AVIs or mkv files the 3d sweet spot is shifted to the left/right....

when i get this problem solved ill convert a full 3d movie.
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post #20 of 26
10/20/10 at 1:35pm
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Originally Posted by acem77 View Post

Here are some samples
the 1st is the xvid video in the 2nd link converted to the fuji mjpeg format by SMM v120d.
SBS 50%, quality 40%, 720p

the 2nd is the 5sec mkv i converted with total-video-converter to a xvid file for SMM to convert. I left all the video setting to default. I then canged the sound to pcm s16le.

720p Mjpeg for w3

SBS stereo MKV converted to xvid for SMM

the 1st video will play on a w3 with sound but the 3d sweet spot is off center...
you have to tilt the camera to the left or right for the true full effect.

I tied to change a few settings in SMM with no luck...3d sweet spot never is center.

so far with all my test .ts and .tb files converted to xvid then to w3 mjpeg
work great with the center 3d sweet spot.

it seems if i convert other AVIs or mkv files the 3d sweet spot is shifted to the left/right....

when i get this problem solved ill convert a full 3d movie.

There is so little depth and distorted, on W3 screen the depth would be so little that is not worth the effort.
Do you have an example to work with W3?
The dual stream avi is corrupted as reported by VLC.
plays OK in stereoscopic player. W3 sets stereoscopic meta-data that is related to convergence and if not present may make the playing incorrectly in W3.

Mathew Orman
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post #21 of 26
10/20/10 at 2:25pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by icester View Post

There is so little depth and distorted, on W3 screen the depth would be so little that is not worth the effort.
Do you have an example to work with W3?
The dual stream avi is corrupted as reported by VLC.
plays OK in stereoscopic player. W3 sets stereoscopic meta-data that is related to convergence and if not present may make the playing incorrectly in W3.

Mathew Orman


vlc always reports that,its to be played on the fuji w3, dont edit it.
thats good, if it does not report an error it will not play on the fuji w3.


its well worth the effort
short videos from the link below converted from .ts, .tb to xvid to mjpeg video look great on the w3 tiny screen.

http://www.biohemmet.se/blandade3dvideosihd.php
Sony.Bravia.Promo.Aquarium.3D.720p.ts
3D Demo mix master_Euro.tp
Legend Of The Guardians 3d.ts
3d ps3 promo video.ts (cant find it on the site now)

check this link for some other older info i had.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ghlight=acem77
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post #22 of 26
10/26/10 at 5:57pm
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fixed the link to http://www.biohemmet.se/blandade3dvideosihd.php,
site to get some sample 3d video to convert.
I had the converter software linked before :P
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post #23 of 26
11/1/10 at 1:52pm
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Updated 1st post with the latest info i had
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post #24 of 26
11/5/10 at 10:30am
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one problem i have is 2of the 6 clips I converted for Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs give a read error around 4-5 min in.
the other 4 work great for the full 15min.

I tried reconverting from the source and two different sd cards still no luck.
I can use MyFinePix to remove the section at the read error.
Id like to fine the true fix, not sure if the bit rate of the sound and or the video or something like that is causing the issue.....
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post #25 of 26
2/1/11 at 2:10pm
I got it to where I can open a side-by-side video in SMM and it properly recognizes them as L/R.

But when I save as 3D AVI, in any size / quality, it completes, but then when you open the video on the PC it doesn't advance frames. You can scrub through the video ok and see the frames, but it won't actually play. Like there's no framerate info or something.

And then if I stick it in the W3 it says "read error" on the file.

The source video, a mpeg2 in AVI, plays fine on PC.

Any ideas? I'm using SMM 1.21. Thanks
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post #26 of 26
10/10/11 at 8:28am
Without ripping or converting, is there a way to use the W3 as a 3D Monitor?

If not, are there any solutions for getting my 3D Blurays to it via a Mac workflow?
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