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post #211 of 562
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

My Room is not hurting at all when it comes to the sound department,
I have 11 speakers
Pinnicle has one of the best subs on the market
and all the speakers at the front are all there High End Black Diamond Series..
It will give Paradigm a run for its money any day.
Sure i could add a secondary pre amp..
But the Yamaha A-2000 does a very awesome job in the room
all speakers are mic calibrated as well ,.... THey are very very crisp...

Sure i could put the components in another room and just have the screen
but i didnt want to ..
Like it the way its is.....

As for screens Not one Da Lite screen that they make can go head to head in a gun show with the black diamond screen....


The SI Black Diamond Screen and the Epson 9700ub are a killer tag team...


The image supplied by the Black Diamond is very good, but I don't think you understand what it takes for truly clean reference level audio. There are very few speakers that use soft dome tweeters that are capable of providing clean reference levels beyond 8 feet and none of Pinnacles speakers can do it. There top of the line speaker (2500) is 88db sensitive. In my room (10' listening distance) for that speaker to hit reference level (105db at seat) cleanly (3db for headroom and at least 3db for power compression) the speaker would need to be able to provide 121db at one meter. That is beyond the capability of that speaker. Since my room is treated I do not have gain from reflections, so the needed output breaks down like this:

10db loss due to 10' distance
3db loss due to power compression (actual number is probably higher)
3db for clean headroom.
That gives you 121db needed at one meter.

Since the speaker is 88db sensitive; 121-88=33db to make up. To get 33db increase from the 2500 it would need to be able to handle 2,048 watts. This is why high sensitivity, along with high power handling is needed for clean reference levels.

Here is a SPL calculator http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html This calculator does not subtract any db's for clean headroom nor does it subtract for power compression. It can't because every speaker is different. When you plug in the 130 watts that your AVR is rated for, check 10' for distance, single speaker and check speakers away from walls (against the wall is where you get room gain from reflections) the max output is 99.5db. Reflections are bad (muddy up the sound) so why would anybody want to count them? The 2500 can't reach reference levels and that is without subtracting anything for power compression or clean headroom.

Is your sub the 12"? I assume it is since the 15" says "coming soon". In my opinion that sub is far from being one of the best subs around. None of Pinnacle's subs can compete against a sub like the Danley DTS-10. By the way the 18" driver that I use in one of my subs weighs nearly as much as the whole Rhino-Twelve. From reading their specs it does not look like any of their subs have much if any output below 20hz. Below 20Hz is where the big boys play.

As far as calibration. I was not talking about using an auto calibration system like Audyssey. Look up REW (software measurement program). That is what I use. I have measured the results using Audyssey and other auto calibration systems and the did not provide as good measured results. I use REW, a pair of Yamaha YDP2006 (PEQ) and room treatments to flatten the room response. For the low end I use four sealed subs (one in each corner). M room is 13.5' x 11.5' x 8'. I can hit reference levels down to single digits, but I can't cover the full (3hz) spectrum. Getting good PQ is easy and cheaper than achieving clean reference level sound.

Nice image. You have excellent PQ, better than mine. That is why I said, I wish that the Black Diamond had AT characteristics of a woven AT screen. Then I would consider it the ultimate screen.
post #212 of 562
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Originally Posted by mjg100 View Post

The image supplied by the Black Diamond is very good, but I don't think you understand what it takes for truly clean reference level audio. There are very few speakers that use soft dome tweeters that are capable of providing clean reference levels beyond 8 feet and none of Pinnacles speakers can do it. There top of the line speaker (2500) is 88db sensitive. In my room (10' listening distance) for that speaker to hit reference level (105db at seat) cleanly (3db for headroom and at least 3db for power compression) the speaker would need to be able to provide 121db at one meter. That is beyond the capability of that speaker. Since my room is treated I do not have gain from reflections, so the needed output breaks down like this:

10db loss due to 10' distance
3db loss due to power compression (actual number is probably higher)
3db for clean headroom.
That gives you 121db needed at one meter.

Since the speaker is 88db sensitive; 121-88=33db to make up. To get 33db increase from the 2500 it would need to be able to handle 2,048 watts. This is why high sensitivity, along with high power handling is needed for clean reference levels.

Here is a SPL calculator http://myhometheater.homestead.com/splcalculator.html This calculator does not subtract any db's for clean headroom nor does it subtract for power compression. It can't because every speaker is different. When you plug in the 130 watts that your AVR is rated for, check 10' for distance, single speaker and check speakers away from walls (against the wall is where you get room gain from reflections) the max output is 99.5db. Reflections are bad (muddy up the sound) so why would anybody want to count them? The 2500 can't reach reference levels and that is without subtracting anything for power compression or clean headroom.

Is your sub the 12"? I assume it is since the 15" says "coming soon". In my opinion that sub is far from being one of the best subs around. None of Pinnacle's subs can compete against a sub like the Danley DTS-10. By the way the 18" driver that I use in one of my subs weighs nearly as much as the whole Rhino-Twelve. From reading their specs it does not look like any of their subs have much if any output below 20hz. Below 20Hz is where the big boys play.

As far as calibration. I was not talking about using an auto calibration system like Audyssey. Look up REW (software measurement program). That is what I use. I have measured the results using Audyssey and other auto calibration systems and the did not provide as good measured results. I use REW, a pair of Yamaha YDP2006 (PEQ) and room treatments to flatten the room response. For the low end I use four sealed subs (one in each corner). M room is 13.5' x 11.5' x 8'. I can hit reference levels down to single digits, but I can't cover the full (3hz) spectrum. Getting good PQ is easy and cheaper than achieving clean reference level sound.

Nice image. You have excellent PQ, better than mine. That is why I said, I wish that the Black Diamond had AT characteristics of a woven AT screen. Then I would consider it the ultimate screen.

The tweeters on the Pinnicle Black Diamond are a soft Silk Dome Tweeter
http://www.pinnaclespeakers.com/bdfeatures.html

The subs i have are the BLack Diamond 500 12 inch Dia...

I actually almost went with a Mits Black diamond 7000 Unit..
THen everything in my showroom would have been Black Diamond...
Screen, Speakers and Projector.
But the contrast on the Mits 7000 was to low , it was old tech and the worst pet peeve was the position of the inputs...On the side..totally not a clean look...
Thats one thing i like about this Epson 9700 it is so clean looking you see not one wire as you enter my showroom,
if i had the Mits you would see the electrical and hdmi ....not kwl
and the new Mits 9000 has the same position for the electrical and inputs Stupid Engineers.....
post #213 of 562
I have the 9500 w/a 110" JKP Affinity Dalite .09 g screen and am extremely happy.

I notice that you have a lot of lights on the front of your equipment and I found mine very annoying, especially when the room is completely darkened. All my equipment is under my screen too. I can't turn of the lights on my equipment, hence the black tape. I had some duvatene, black material used on movie sets to block out light and cut a piece to completely cover all lights from all equipment under the screen. I have the RFs attached on the top of the equipment, so I can block off the front of the equipment.

I secured the duvatene to the face with blue painters tape (leaves no residue) and then covered that with this black tape from Home Depot. I'm not sure if it's electrical, but a cloth type.

Now, when I watch a movie, it's totaly black underneath the screen.
post #214 of 562
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Quote:
Originally Posted by inspector View Post

I have the 9500 w/a 110" JKP Affinity Dalite .09 g screen and am extremely happy.

I notice that you have a lot of lights on the front of your equipment and I found mine very annoying, especially when the room is completely darkened. All my equipment is under my screen too. I can't turn of the lights on my equipment, hence the black tape. I had some duvatene, black material used on movie sets to block out light and cut a piece to completely cover all lights from all equipment under the screen. I have the RFs attached on the top of the equipment, so I can block off the front of the equipment.

I secured the duvatene to the face with blue painters tape (leaves no residue) and then covered that with this black tape from Home Depot. I'm not sure if it's electrical, but a cloth type.

Now, when I watch a movie, it's totaly black underneath the screen.

Be totally honest its not an issue for me,
Have a few people that i have over and they mention it but because my screen is high my eyes just dont do there ...
If it does become that tape you mentioned would be the way to go for sure....
post #215 of 562
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

Watched the Canadian Junior Game Today vs Russia,,
Had to post this screen shot.....
Ha ha ha

Here are some more canadian hockey fans

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LL
LL
post #216 of 562
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wpgcabby View Post

Here are some more canadian hockey fans

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Thats awesome,
I actually saw those fans during the game yesturday and
thought it would be a great shot but my
camera battery was dead,
Awesome shots...
Go Canada today
We Want USA
We want USA
We want USA....
post #217 of 562
Thread Starter 
Wpgcabby if you got any shots from tonights game
post them,
That was some great hockey...
Bring on Russia Wed Night...
The Epson is amazing watching hockey on.
So much better than my 50 plasma
I actually hated watching hockey on the plasma...
The ice looks so much more natural on the epson....
I put my contrast enhance up to 2
and my resolution up to 2 also...
looked good
post #218 of 562
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspector View Post
I have the 9500 w/a 110" JKP Affinity Dalite .09 g screen and am extremely happy.

I notice that you have a lot of lights on the front of your equipment and I found mine very annoying, especially when the room is completely darkened. All my equipment is under my screen too. I can't turn of the lights on my equipment, hence the black tape. I had some duvatene, black material used on movie sets to block out light and cut a piece to completely cover all lights from all equipment under the screen. I have the RFs attached on the top of the equipment, so I can block off the front of the equipment.

I secured the duvatene to the face with blue painters tape (leaves no residue) and then covered that with this black tape from Home Depot. I'm not sure if it's electrical, but a cloth type.

Now, when I watch a movie, it's totaly black underneath the screen.
Okay So i caved in,
Put black tape over my External Drives and over the blue light on my FTA Rec.
put the Popcorn Hour bright square light to off...
and dimmed the Monster power cleaner...
I will probley dim my Yamaha A-2000 tonight....
post #219 of 562
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

Okay So i caved in,
Put black tape over my External Drives and over the blue light on my FTA Rec.
put the Popcorn Hour bright square light to off...
and dimmed the Monster power cleaner...
I will probley dim my Yamaha A-2000 tonight....

...and you will see that it makes your HT completely "BLACK!!!"

Good luck and tell us how it comes out tonite!!!
post #220 of 562
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspector View Post

...and you will see that it makes your HT completely "BLACK!!!"

Good luck and tell us how it comes out tonite!!!

Thanks
Dont know if the HT room will get black tonight.
Gold Medal Junior Hockey Game
Canada Vs Russia...
And i am cravin some Gold......

Just dont want to turn down the lights at a saugage party
watching a Hockey Game...lol
post #221 of 562
Are you going to post a screen shot of Canada's heart breaking?
post #222 of 562
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wpgcabby View Post

Are you going to post a screen shot of Canada's heart breaking?

I still cant believe it,
After those back to back goals by russia ,
they should have changed goalies and put Roy in...
What a let down.
Positive side ,
I really played around with my vivid setting for hockey...
will post them..
looked really better than the above settings
post #223 of 562
Fraisa, have you had a chance to see the JVC RS40/X3 yet?
I used to have a yamaha DPX830, do you know this unit?
By how much will the 9700 blow it away?
post #224 of 562
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rr330i View Post

Fraisa, have you had a chance to see the JVC RS40/X3 yet?
I used to have a yamaha DPX830, do you know this unit?
By how much will the 9700 blow it away?

Will be honest have not did a demo lately on that jvc unit.
Will say my area jvc rep is a total tool
and has turned me off of the JVC Line...

Dont know that yamaha unit ...

But as you can see from all my screen shots this projector rocks
post #225 of 562
Thread Starter 
Here is some better pics of that Premier Mount Designed specifically for All epson Projectors....
Plate mounted to base with no ugly legs.
Front dials on upper base allow for adjustments

Does anyone like those Mini Levels.... they come in handy let me tell ya...






post #226 of 562
Hello Everyone, New to this site, hope that I can get some questions answerd.

I am finished with the construction of my theater I went with the BatCave look turned out pretty awesome. Very Excited. Im to the point where I have to purchase my first Projector. Im looking at the Epson 9700 ub. Cant find much info on it except for here

Question. What is the difference between the 9500 and the 9700

Question 2, Also becuse of $ Im planning on doing a Lamiate Screen...Thoughts? Always can upgrade later but for know its a good start i think.

Question 3: Where is the best place I can go to purchase the epson (best Price) I seen online Epson sells Refurb...Good or bad idea?

Any help would be great!

Mike
post #227 of 562
Fraisa,

Freight just dropped off the screen and I was wondering if you could send me the settings (or the link to them) that you have come up with for Vivd and THX modes...

Those should be a good starting point for me I figure -- will there be that much a difference in terms of setting being that my screen is a 1.4 gain StudioTek 130 as opposed to you .8 BD??

Thanks much...
post #228 of 562
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Originally Posted by Chopin_Guy View Post
Fraisa,

Freight just dropped off the screen and I was wondering if you could send me the settings (or the link to them) that you have come up with for Vivd and THX modes...

Those should be a good starting point for me I figure -- will there be that much a difference in terms of setting being that my screen is a 1.4 gain StudioTek 130 as opposed to you .8 BD??

Thanks much...
Have posted settings a few pages back on Vivid and THX.
post #229 of 562
Has anyone seen the Panamorph Fixed Anamorphic Lens for the 9700UB? anyone have any thought a 2.40:1 display?
post #230 of 562
Have i asked this before? but how does the 9700 do in a bit of ambient lighting.
I wont be able to get the room 100% dark during the day.
Also, sometimes like to have some lighting on when watching casual TV.
Lighting would NOT be between the PJ and screen.
post #231 of 562
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Originally Posted by rr330i View Post

Have i asked this before? but how does the 9700 do in a bit of ambient lighting.
I wont be able to get the room 100% dark during the day.
Also, sometimes like to have some lighting on when watching casual TV.
Lighting would NOT be between the PJ and screen.

does pretty good in dynamic mode. Quite watchable
post #232 of 562
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Originally Posted by hellyeah View Post

Has anyone seen the Panamorph Fixed Anamorphic Lens for the 9700UB? anyone have any thought a 2.40:1 display?

I was wondering the same thing. I read a pretty good review of the Panamorph fixed lens system at hometheaterreview.com. Andrew Robinson, the reviewer, was pretty amazed. He did say that 16:9 material will suffer a little, but it didn't sound like a big deal. Of course, you'll need to invest in a 2.35:1 screen.

Best regards.
post #233 of 562
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rr330i View Post
Have i asked this before? but how does the 9700 do in a bit of ambient lighting.
I wont be able to get the room 100% dark during the day.
Also, sometimes like to have some lighting on when watching casual TV.
Lighting would NOT be between the PJ and screen.
do some reading to answer your question in the first 3-4 pages.....
post #234 of 562
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Originally Posted by hellyeah View Post
Has anyone seen the Panamorph Fixed Anamorphic Lens for the 9700UB? anyone have any thought a 2.40:1 display?
Havent seen the fixed just the full one,
Powered anamorphic lens
post #235 of 562
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Originally Posted by RLBARN View Post
I was wondering the same thing. I read a pretty good review of the Panamorph fixed lens system at hometheaterreview.com. Andrew Robinson, the reviewer, was pretty amazed. He did say that 16:9 material will suffer a little, but it didn't sound like a big deal. Of course, you'll need to invest in a 2.35:1 screen.

Best regards.
Not only the screen, but doesn't the anamorphic lens attachment cost more than the PJ or close to it?
post #236 of 562
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Originally Posted by inspector View Post
Not only the screen, but doesn't the anamorphic lens attachment cost more than the PJ or close to it?
There really up there
post #237 of 562
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Originally Posted by inspector View Post
Not only the screen, but doesn't the anamorphic lens attachment cost more than the PJ or close to it?
First of all, let me start by saying thanks to Fraisa. I joined the site today because of the excellent "diary" of the evolution of his 9700UB. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on one soon. The screen shots have been extremely helpful.

Inspector: I read another good review of the many ways to get anamorphic. I'll post the link here when I get URL privileges (need another post to do it).
I can't really remember the price I saw on the Panamorph fixed lens, but I think it was at least the price of the projector.
post #238 of 562
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Originally Posted by RLBARN View Post
First of all, let me start by saying thanks to Fraisa. I joined the site today because of the excellent "diary" of the evolution of his 9700UB. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on one soon. The screen shots have been extremely helpful.

Inspector: I read another good review of the many ways to get anamorphic. I'll post the link here when I get URL privileges (need another post to do it).
I can't really remember the price I saw on the Panamorph fixed lens, but I think it was at least the price of the projector.
I know...I weighed the pros and cons and it seemed for me that the 16x9 screen was what I needed. I have many more 16x9 movies, TV shows and the anamorphic screen/lens just didn't give me the movie size that I wanted.

I'm more than happy with what I have and I should take this time to tell everyone that they should get their's ISFed...they are the experts and they will make your PJ shine....better than you could ever imagine, IMHO!!!
post #239 of 562
Thread Starter 
Just as mentioned above content determines the need for either 16x9 or 2.35....
That Very expensive investment question is answered by that.
post #240 of 562
Thread Starter 
[quote=RLBARN;19866498]First of all, let me start by saying thanks to Fraisa. I joined the site today because of the excellent "diary" of the evolution of his 9700UB. I am thinking of pulling the trigger on one soon. The screen shots have been extremely helpful.

Thank you very much for your comment,
Cant believe it has been since Oct when i started this thread.
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