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post #301 of 727
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Originally Posted by tomhollett View Post

I experienced this on both the Sony and the Revue (which I ended up keeping the Revue so far). Through all my iterations of trial and error - I finally realized the AVR was the weak link in the equation. It's an Onkyo SR606 which should be fine, but I would be willing to wager money that if you do what I did - your issue will go away.

Connect the Sony hdmi out directly to your TV and run the audio to your receiver separately via optical. For some reason, my AVR had sporadic issues with HD content doing what you described. It was not constant, but enough to become infuriating. If you tune to a non-HD broadcast, I'll bet your picture/audio issues will go away or be drastically reduced. Once I noticed this, it hit me the AVR was the problem.

It's not ideal I know, but I made this switch last night and enjoyed an evening of viewing TV broadcasts both SD and HD, shows from DVR in SD and HD, as well as streams from GTV with no cutout. Finally starting to enjoy this a whole lot more now.

Let us know if this helps or if you come up with a better solution.

I am using the same setup (to TV via HDMI, to receiver via optical). Are you getting Dolby Digital using this configuration? I think you are using the Revue, but I am using the Blu Ray player and cannot get DD5.1 no way, no how, from an internet source (DVD's do play with DD).
post #302 of 727
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Originally Posted by DNW View Post

I am using the same setup (to TV via HDMI, to receiver via optical). Are you getting Dolby Digital using this configuration? I think you are using the Revue, but I am using the Blu Ray player and cannot get DD5.1 no way, no how, from an internet source (DVD's do play with DD).

The HDMI input is spec'd at 2ch 48khz. Supposdly there is a fix in the works but no official word from Sony.
post #303 of 727
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Originally Posted by MAJORAE View Post

The HDMI input is spec'd at 2ch 48khz. Supposdly there is a fix in the works but no official word from Sony.

I am not looking to get audio from my tv, just from my receiver, which is connected via optical (this is a Denon AVR-5800, pre-HDMI).
post #304 of 727
Right- but your cable box is going through the HDMI-in that is limited to 2ch 48k so the only way to get DD out is to bypass the GT1.
post #305 of 727
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Originally Posted by tomhollett View Post

I experienced this on both the Sony and the Revue (which I ended up keeping the Revue so far). Through all my iterations of trial and error - I finally realized the AVR was the weak link in the equation. It's an Onkyo SR606 which should be fine, but I would be willing to wager money that if you do what I did - your issue will go away.

Connect the Sony hdmi out directly to your TV and run the audio to your receiver separately via optical. For some reason, my AVR had sporadic issues with HD content doing what you described. It was not constant, but enough to become infuriating. If you tune to a non-HD broadcast, I'll bet your picture/audio issues will go away or be drastically reduced. Once I noticed this, it hit me the AVR was the problem.

It's not ideal I know, but I made this switch last night and enjoyed an evening of viewing TV broadcasts both SD and HD, shows from DVR in SD and HD, as well as streams from GTV with no cutout. Finally starting to enjoy this a whole lot more now.

Let us know if this helps or if you come up with a better solution.

Thank you for the response...

Yes, my Onkyo is the same. I do not have HDMI on it so my setup is what you described. I have the HDMI to the projector and optical to the receiver.

But even when that setup is in place, I STILL get the cutouts. It is obvious that the unit itself is causing it. If I take it out of the equation, there is no problem.

I need a solution. Maybe someone from Sony will see this and provide form feedback.
post #306 of 727
The Logitech Revue got an OTA update today that addresses the frame rate issue which was the big problem with that box. So currently- the list of issues are minor for the Revue verus the 2.0 audio problem we have with our GT1s. I wish Sony would say something official...

Starting to itch...
post #307 of 727
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Originally Posted by darley View Post

Thank you for the response...

Yes, my Onkyo is the same. I do not have HDMI on it so my setup is what you described. I have the HDMI to the projector and optical to the receiver.

But even when that setup is in place, I STILL get the cutouts. It is obvious that the unit itself is causing it. If I take it out of the equation, there is no problem.

I need a solution. Maybe someone from Sony will see this and provide form feedback.

Then yes, I agree it must be the GT1 and truth be told - that is the original reason I returned mine and went with the Revue. The Revue did not exhibit this behavior the first night of initial setup, but it did the second (but far less problematic than the Sony) which started my chain of trial and error. That led me to my current solution. I'm on my second night of this most recent setup and so far so good. I still tend to think something is going on with the Onkyo since it is common to you and I.

Good luck either way. I know how frustrating that scenario is.
post #308 of 727
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Originally Posted by DNW View Post

I am using the same setup (to TV via HDMI, to receiver via optical). Are you getting Dolby Digital using this configuration? I think you are using the Revue, but I am using the Blu Ray player and cannot get DD5.1 no way, no how, from an internet source (DVD's do play with DD).

Depending on the broadcast signal, yes I believe so, at least that's what the receiver is showing. I'll need to pay closer attention to the internet stuff to make sure. If I am mistaken, I'll post back. Oh and yes, I now have the Revue as I returned the Sony (too many issues as I've already posted).
post #309 of 727
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Originally Posted by MAJORAE View Post

The Logitech Revue got an OTA update today that addresses the frame rate issue which was the big problem with that box. So currently- the list of issues are minor for the Revue verus the 2.0 audio problem we have with our GT1s. I wish Sony would say something official...

Starting to itch...

I agree. If i havnt heard anything official or have a fix for the GT1 it will go back and i will just give up on GTV until the next gen. So sad because i really want to like the GT1
post #310 of 727
I sent an email to Sonylistens email inbox a few weeks back, requesting a Sony representative jump on this forum. They said the sent this to the appropriate team, but obviously no one listened from that team...

You can also post your frustration on The, "I have a defective Sony" Facebook site. Sony actively watches the posts and did a great job replacing my TV. I am only suggesting this so they can start to realize owners of these devices are in dire need of some support and feedback.

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Originally Posted by big-d View Post


I agree. If i havnt heard anything official or have a fix for the GT1 it will go back and i will just give up on GTV until the next gen. So sad because i really want to like the GT1
post #311 of 727
I have not heard or read much on the iPhone remote app for the Sony Google TV or NSZ-GT1....

The Revue app is already out, I was wondering if anyone has any info on an ETA?

Thanks!
post #312 of 727
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Originally Posted by rotarydoc View Post

I have not heard or read much on the iPhone remote app for the Sony Google TV or NSZ-GT1....

The Revue app is already out, I was wondering if anyone has any info on an ETA?

I believe Sony said "early 2011."
post #313 of 727
For those gamers out there, this is interesting.

http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2010/11/...our-google-tv/
post #314 of 727
A few days back, I set up my new Sony 3D LED Tv. I love the set and have always been a fan of large screen Sony Tvs.

The interesting discovery was that I noticed that I was able to control the Sony NSZ-GT1 with the remote that came with my Sony TV. I immediately tried my Harmony One, and I was also able to scroll through the menu items. I wasn't unfortunately able to control the BR functions, but I will continue to fiddle around to see what I can set up.

I know this is due to the CEC commands that comes with the HDMI 1.3 and 1.4 spec, but I never thought about it until I actually set up my TV. This might be a light at the end of the tunnel regarding our access to the Sony BR GTV device via IR frequency.

Again, I don't know how much I can do just yet, but I will fiddle and program my Harmony accordingly to see if I can get full functionality. I of course can't type anything, but for simple control over everything else this might be what we want until a third party remote comes out.

Stay tuned. My time is limited to fiddle, so it may take me a few days. Others who have newer Sony Tvs, please try this out and let us know your findings.
post #315 of 727
Jimmy1975,

Thanks for the info....rather depressing, but thanks, I was figuring if Logitech already had it, it wouldn't be too far away....

Guess not...
post #316 of 727
FYI, PlayOn works well with the Sony player now. If you have a solid home network and a computer in the house that is usually on, it really works very well and provides a lot of missing content (including all of Hulu, not just Hulu Plus). The downside of course, is the added cost of the PlayOn software. At least there's a 14 day trial period on the PlayOn software, so you know what you're paying for.

In my house, I've got a fast (5GHz band) network and there is always a server computer on, so this works well for me (I prefer it to Hulu Plus restrictions). Right now, this machine (the Blu-Ray player) is doing pretty much everything I want it to, and I'm happy with it, but your mileage may vary. There's no getting around the fact that the PlayOn software adds to the price of the setup though.

Oh, and I'd still like a remote code for my old Sony STR-DE925 receiver.
post #317 of 727
Excellent. I tried it when I first got the box, but not since the update. It didn't work hem first released.


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Originally Posted by flavorhammer
FYI, PlayOn works well with the Sony player now. If you have a solid home network and a computer in the house that is usually on, it really works very well and provides a lot of missing content (including all of Hulu, not just Hulu Plus). The downside of course, is the added cost of the PlayOn software. At least there's a 14 day trial period on the PlayOn software, so you know what you're paying for.

In my house, I've got a fast (5GHz band) network and there is always a server computer on, so this works well for me (I prefer it to Hulu Plus restrictions). Right now, this machine (the Blu-Ray player) is doing pretty much everything I want it to, and I'm happy with it, but your mileage may vary. There's no getting around the fact that the PlayOn software adds to the price of the setup though.

Oh, and I'd still like a remote code for my old Sony STR-DE925 receiver.
post #318 of 727
There appears to have been an exploit released for Android 2.1-based systems earlier today, and I find myself wondering if Google TV devices are affected. I am not savvy enough to know the ins and outs of Android software, but I am a bit nervous to see "Firmware version 2.1-update1" on my system at the moment, as I'm not exactly sure what all of the under-the-hood differences are between Google TV software and the Android phone platform.

Would anyone in the know (from Google) care to address this issue? Here is the relevant link:

http://www.computerworld.com/s/artic...7&pageNumber=1
post #319 of 727
Since the exploit is based on the browser, I'd think Google TV should be OK. It is using a different browser than the phones are.
post #320 of 727
I just purchased the NSZ-GT1 last week. I plugged it into my Samsung DLP (HLP5063WX) and turned it on. I saw the SONY logo then my TV displayed "No Signal" and nothing else showed on the screen. I checked all the connections, rebooted, and nothing changed.

I tried chatting with SONY support. They said to switch to another HDMI input on the TV (there is only one), hook it up with component cables (not helpful since there is no component output on the NSZ-GT1) and use Ctr+Alt+Del to restart the unit (again, not helpful since the remote had not yet been paired with the unit).

Just for kicks I then moved the unit to a SONY KDL-32XBR9 to see if it had the same issue. It works fine! I then tried fixing the output at 1080i and 720p and moved the unit back to the Samsung each time to see if that helped the issue. No dice. Still the same SONY logo followed by "No Signal".

I have a very simple setup. Just the HDMI cable from the NSZ-GT1 to the TV (I used the same cable on both TV's). No receivers or DVR's are involved at this point. Ethernet is going straight to the router.

Can anyone think of why the unit would work fine on a SONY KDL-32XBR9 but not on a Samsung DLP (HLP5063WX)? Are there some other settings that I can try that may help this problem? If all else fails, would the Logitech Revue have the same issue with this older Samsung TV?
post #321 of 727
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Originally Posted by Komputr View Post

Can anyone think of why the unit would work fine on a SONY KDL-32XBR9 but not on a Samsung DLP (HLP5063WX)? Are there some other settings that I can try that may help this problem? If all else fails, would the Logitech Revue have the same issue with this older Samsung TV?

My guesses is:

1. They are specifically blocking it for some reason
2. Or the HDMI interfacing is buggy.

WD has tried to fix the firmware of their WDTV Live for the last 3 months, trying to get it to work with all TV's and so far they haven't be able to fix the problems. Apparently that is a tall order (or someone only works on the software every 3 weeks, which wouldn't surprise me)
post #322 of 727
I'm not sure if others have posted, I don't remember seeing this information, but I wanted to confirm that any mice or keyboards that don't require Bluetooth (that use USB wired or wireless dongle) function normally with the Sony Blu-ray Player.

Most of the navigation keys map directly to F-keys on a standard keyboard. I'm using a wireless logitech mouse and keyboard with my NSZ-GT1 right now and it works great. When I have more time I can post the standard keyboard mappings.

I should be clear that I'm definitely not using the keyboard that came with the Revue. I am using a standard, off-the-shelf, logitech mouse and keyboard, the type sold for PC use.
post #323 of 727
Well, the Revue went back last week to BB. Started having black screens and audio cut outs intermittently. Can't put up with the frequency of this. Tried new hdmi cables, varied the setup, etc. Take the revue out of the equation and no problems. Sorry, GTV - not paying you to be a beta tester. My boxee box will be here tomorrow and from what I'm seeing so far, think I made the right choice for me.
post #324 of 727
Best Buy has this in their BLACK FRIDAY ad for $299.99

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post #325 of 727
I love my NSZ-GT1, and since I already had PlayOn, I have a workable solution to all of the major content providers cutting off Google TV.

How exactly the content providers can justify allowing streams to some computers and not to others (Google TV devices ARE computers) is beyond me, and if I were in Google's shoes I would:

1) File a lawsuit if there are grounds, and file a complaint with the FCC. IANAL but it's very hard for me to believe that this isn't a violation of some sort of regulation against anticompetitive behavior. This is no different than if the providers refused to serve content to my Sony VAIO, just because it's a VAIO and not a Dell. Again, I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea if there are grounds for action, but at the very least Google should be investigating the issue and when they make a decision, they should take a very pubilc position.

2) Change the Google TV's browser, including built-in Flash to be completely indistinguishable from other browsers, including Firefox and Internet Explorer. Make this compatibility mode easily accessible. If the networks don't want to serve to Google TV, force them to cut off every other computer in the world. I'm not an engineer, but it seems to me that this should be possible, and I can't imagine that there is a legal issue with this. There certainly isn't an ethical issue with doing this. Get a deal for a Hulu Plus app, sure, but don't make people use that app if they don't want to. Give us everything on the web.

In other words, fight. Let us know you are fighting. Let us know that you won't bend over and take it. A lot of people are about to make their holiday purchases, and right now, while my NSZ-GT1 works for me, I can't recommend Google TV to any friends or relatives. It just requires too many compromises right now.

Besides fighting, by the way, it would be nice if you all (at Google, Sony, and Logitech) would communicate more. I know people in web forums are always asking for this, but there's a reason for that. It makes for more satisfied customers.
post #326 of 727
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Originally Posted by flavorhammer View Post
How exactly the content providers can justify allowing streams to some computers and not to others (Google TV devices ARE computers) is beyond me
It's all about the bottom line for these bastards. Apparently the profits from cable broadcasts bring in more ad revenue than from their web portals. They don't want us to replace the cable box with GoogleTV.

Boxee and other similar services shouldn't be too far behind. The networks simply don't view them as a threat... Yet. The moment they become even a tenth as popular as Google and Android, they'll be cut off too.

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Originally Posted by flavorhammer View Post
1) File a lawsuit if there are grounds, and file a complaint with the FCC. IANAL but it's very hard for me to believe that this isn't a violation of some sort of regulation against anticompetitive behavior. This is no different than if the providers refused to serve content to my Sony VAIO, just because it's a VAIO and not a Dell. Again, I'm not a lawyer so I have no idea if there are grounds for action, but at the very least Google should be investigating the issue and when they make a decision, they should take a very pubilc position.
I don't know if there are any legal grounds for a lawsuit, but trust me if there are - Google's army of lawyers are already on top of it. That's one of the two thing those greedy bastards understand.

The other thing being money of course. Someone should take out a calculator and explain to them the difference between paying millions to he carriers like Cablevision or Time Warner or Comcast in order to get their content to the living rooms, Vs. pennies to have it available online.

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Originally Posted by flavorhammer View Post
2) Change the Google TV's browser, including built-in Flash to be completely indistinguishable from other browsers, including Firefox and Internet Explorer. Make this compatibility mode easily accessible. If the networks don't want to serve to Google TV, force them to cut off every other computer in the world. I'm not an engineer, but it seems to me that this should be possible, and I can't imagine that there is a legal issue with this. There certainly isn't an ethical issue with doing this. Get a deal for a Hulu Plus app, sure, but don't make people use that app if they don't want to. Give us everything on the web.
The problem is, many of the sites were coded specifically to display correctly in the GoogleTV's browser. Google would completely break their compatibility if they did that. But I agree, this calls for drastic measures.

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Originally Posted by flavorhammer View Post
In other words, fight. Let us know you are fighting. Let us know that you won't bend over and take it. A lot of people are about to make their holiday purchases, and right now, while my NSZ-GT1 works for me, I can't recommend Google TV to any friends or relatives. It just requires too many compromises right now.
I'm with you here! But the reality is that all Google needs to do is bring Android Market to GoogleTV. There are tons of 3rd-party browsers that will be more than happy to bypass any blocks the networks might put up, and without any fears of retaliation.

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Originally Posted by flavorhammer View Post
Besides fighting, by the way, it would be nice if you all (at Google, Sony, and Logitech) would communicate more. I know people in web forums are always asking for this, but there's a reason for that. It makes for more satisfied customers.
That'd be a first! Unfortunately Sony and Logitech aren't as interested in this technology succeeding as Google is. The worst case for them is GoogleTV desn't take off and they simply stop manufacturing the boxes, cut their losses and get out, and then it's business as usual. It's all up to Google.
post #327 of 727
To all you Sony NSZ-GT1 owners, is the remote as bad as some of the reviews make it out to be??? I can totally understand that Sony not back lighting the remote is a serious design flaw, but I also see many reviewers harping on the thumb mouse tracking pad. Do you really have a hard time controlling the mouse on screen?
post #328 of 727
Yes, the Sony remote is as bad as the reviews say. The backlighting isn't the major issue for me but the lack of programable keys, lack of macro support, multiple key pushes for simple tasks, and no button to turn off your cable or Sat box. Hdmi CEC can help with the last, but then you run into problems with turning on the devices.

I like the form factor for typing on it, and I don't mind the thumb track pad. It is similar to all other solutions and will never be as good as an actual mouse.


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Originally Posted by Jefftaz View Post

To all you Sony NSZ-GT1 owners, is the remote as bad as some of the reviews make it out to be??? I can totally understand that Sony not back lighting the remote is a serious design flaw, but I also see many reviewers harping on the thumb mouse tracking pad. Do you really have a hard time controlling the mouse on screen?
post #329 of 727
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Originally Posted by Jefftaz View Post

To all you Sony NSZ-GT1 owners, is the remote as bad as some of the reviews make it out to be??? I can totally understand that Sony not back lighting the remote is a serious design flaw, but I also see many reviewers harping on the thumb mouse tracking pad. Do you really have a hard time controlling the mouse on screen?

In terms of navigating and typing I think it is very good. I actually loved it. However, as mentioned there is very little flexibility and no customization. I had to return the gt1 because it could not control my cable box which requires use of "A,B,C,D" keys. There was no way to map these functions onto the Sony remote. Not only does the Revue offer these a,b,c,d keys by default, but if it didnt, I could have easily added them.

This really limits the Sony and makes me nervous about having it so prevelant in my setup. A future change somewhere in the chain down the road could prove incompatible with the gt1 which could pose a substantial problem.
post #330 of 727
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Originally Posted by Jefftaz View Post

To all you Sony NSZ-GT1 owners, is the remote as bad as some of the reviews make it out to be??? I can totally understand that Sony not back lighting the remote is a serious design flaw, but I also see many reviewers harping on the thumb mouse tracking pad. Do you really have a hard time controlling the mouse on screen?

The remote has kinda grown on me. I don't hate it as much as I used to, but it's still not very good. It's not backlit, it cannot be customized at all and the mouse scroll thingy is terrible. But it has more dedicated keys than the Logitech min-keyboard.

Having tried ther backlit Logitech keyboard, between the two, if I had to choose, I would choose..... the Sony remote. The Logitech backlit mini-controller is HORRIBLE. Yea, it is backlit but some of the FN function labels are not backlit so you still are guessing, at times. Even tho you can customize the larger keyboard on the Logitech, you cannot customize the mini one(if you can, I cannot figure out how to). You are CONSTANLY having to hold the FN key in conjunction with another key to do a function(this is my biggest problem with the keypad), even the DEDICATED back key need the FN pressed for it to work. The touch mouse pad is a little better than the Sony, but it(at least mine does) has problems moving the mouse left/right. Also, the flip lid gets annoying after a while and you will wish you could rip it off(it acts as an on/off switch for the keyboard).

So neither mini controller is really any good. The only saving grace with the Logitech is it can handle IR remotes, if you can program the Harmony GTV commands into your IR remote(I was able to by loading them onto a harmony remote I had and then learning them to my URC MX-810. Also goto the JP1 forum if you want the Pronto hex versions of the codes).
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