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post #31 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

The bandwidth necessary for that makes it pretty unlikely.

It would look markedly worse than their 720p offerings unless there's a serious bitrate increase.



Out of curiosity, what huge amount of video-based content do they offer? Serious question, I just never paid attention?

I thought I read that 1080p/24 didn't take up much more space than 720p/60. I could be wrong.
post #32 of 426
They have a lot of TV shows, (especially streaming). Either way, 1080p/24 or 1080p/60 it will be an improvement over what it is now.

As I said earlier, let's see on Mon just what they have to offer in 5.1, let alone 1080p. I bet it will be just a handful of shows/movies to start.
post #33 of 426
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Originally Posted by mproper View Post

Netflix blog was updated with "1080i" struck out and "1080p" inserted....

http://www.ps3blog.net/

So apparently it is 1080p. Sweet. Can't wait to see how it looks.

Yeah...I'd feel better if they'd explained that update. The Sony guy in the video says 1080i.

EDIT: Okay there's an announcement of 1080p on the official Playstation blog at Sony's site:
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Eric Lempel | October 14th, 2010 at 9:56 am
A quick update, we have received a new version of the application from Netflix and we’re happy to report that the PlayStation 3 app will support 1080p.

Of course "support" for 1080p doesn't assert that there will be 1080p streams, but still .

In any case, the little tour of it in that video is great. It will definitely become my preferred Netflix player. I think it's been a couple of months since I fired up my PS3, so it'll be nice to get some use out of it.
post #34 of 426
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Yeah...I'd feel better if they'd explained that update. The Sony guy in the video says 1080i.

EDIT: Okay there's an announcement of 1080p on the official Playstation blog at Sony's site:
Of course "support" for 1080p doesn't assert that there will be 1080p streams, but still .

In any case, the little tour of it in that video is great. It will definitely become my preferred Netflix player. I think it's been a couple of months since I fired up my PS3, so it'll be nice to get some use out of it.

That's what everyone is getting excited about, they're missing that crucial detail. In several threads here it's being parroted that Netflix will have 1080i/1080p streams with DDP audio. I have asked, where has Netflix said anything about 1080 streams, only Sony has been saying anything about 1080 and as you note, it's about the application, not the actual available content.
post #35 of 426
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post


That's what everyone is getting excited about, I have asked, where has Netflix said anything about 1080 streams, .

On the Roku forums..."Please note that this update does not include any changes to enable 1080p on the XR model. That feature will be enabled in a future software update."
post #36 of 426
Maybe I'm wrong but I think there is a big misunderstanding on this 1080i or 1080P information. The original press release came from Sony, not Netflix and my guess is that the PS3 will just upscale the same 720P source to 1080P, like many devices already do. The only info on the Netflix release is the DD+ 5.1, it doesn't mention anything about 1080i or 1080P. I hope I'm wrong.
post #37 of 426
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Maybe I'm wrong but I think there is a big misunderstanding on this 1080i or 1080P information. The original press release came from Sony, not Netflix and my guess is that the PS3 will just upscale the same 720P source to 1080P, like many devices already do. The only info on the Netflix release is the DD+ 5.1, it doesn't mention anything about 1080i or 1080P. I hope I'm wrong.

Exactly, either the PS3 will upscale the stream, or that the app itself is only capable of 1080i/p playback for future use, not that Netflix is going to be sending 1080i/p content starting on Monday. I think folks expecting that higher rez content are going to be sorely disappointed when the rollout/start becomes live tomorrow.
post #38 of 426
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

Exactly, either the PS3 will upscale the stream, or that the app itself is only capable of 1080i/p playback for future use, not that Netflix is going to be sending 1080i/p content starting on Monday. I think folks expecting that higher rez content are going to be sorely disappointed when the rollout/start becomes live tomorrow.

Well, if not, not biggie. 720p looks fine to me on my 50" plasma (and I've always been happy with the Netflix HD offerings), so as far as I'm concerned, the bigger benefit is the sound, which that alone will make the PS3 my go-to device (at least until the 360 gets 5.1 as well, which I will bet will be next month when the new dashboard rolls out)
post #39 of 426
I'm trying out the PS3 Netflix update right now. I see you can even search and add discs to your queue in addition to adding streaming titles to your instant queue.

Was this search capabilty there in the version where you needed to use a disc?

I see the DD 5.1 is working although I'm only getting DD and not DD+ from this 30 Rock episode. I thought they said it would be using DD+?

EDIT: I see that it is listed as DD+ and I can choose between DD+ and stereo in the audio and subtitle options in the netflix menu, but the PS3 is only sending DD to my receiver. I guess I should check my settings. I know for BD it has no problem bistreaming Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA
post #40 of 426
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Originally Posted by Brian Conrad View Post

Vudu's HDX only requires 4.5 mbps so it couldn't be doing that. I only have 6 mbps DSL and it plays fine on it.

http://www.vudu.com/product_overview.html

(See right panel)

Well that's a lot lower than what the initial press information indicated. Not owning a device, I never looked into the details after launch. Figured it was too good to be true
post #41 of 426
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Originally Posted by EJ View Post

I thought I read that 1080p/24 didn't take up much more space than 720p/60. I could be wrong.

It doesn't to my knowledge - the quoted post was referring to if they were streaming 1080p60 (which I would think that they logically aren't).
post #42 of 426
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Originally Posted by slimoli View Post

Maybe I'm wrong but I think there is a big misunderstanding on this 1080i or 1080P information. The original press release came from Sony, not Netflix and my guess is that the PS3 will just upscale the same 720P source to 1080P, like many devices already do. The only info on the Netflix release is the DD+ 5.1, it doesn't mention anything about 1080i or 1080P. I hope I'm wrong.

That BETTER NOT be the case.

I actually don't really care if they offer 1080p content or not. What I DO care about is that unlike most devices out there, the PS3 outputs native resolution for its Netflix app ... and that's why I use it.

If this is just upscaling, and there is no way to configure it back to native output ... I'm going to raise holy hell to Sony.
post #43 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

Well that's a lot lower than what the initial press information indicated. Not owning a device, I never looked into the details after launch. Figured it was too good to be true

I think that, like Netflix, they have multiple streams at that resolution and change between them as available bandwidth fluctuates--4.5 Mbps is the lowest speed stream they have at 1080p24. There used to be a table in their FAQ saying what the bandwidth requirements were for SD, HD and HDX and HDX was like 4.5 Mbps to 9 Mbps. That table has been removed from every FAQ answer that had it. They now say, "see the table below:" and there's no table.
post #44 of 426
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I'm trying out the PS3 Netflix update right now. I see you can even search and add discs to your queue in addition to adding streaming titles to your instant queue.

Was this search capabilty there in the version where you needed to use a disc?

I see the DD 5.1 is working although I'm only getting DD and not DD+ from this 30 Rock episode. I thought they said it would be using DD+?

EDIT: I see that it is listed as DD+ and I can choose between DD+ and stereo in the audio and subtitle options in the netflix menu, but the PS3 is only sending DD to my receiver. I guess I should check my settings. I know for BD it has no problem bistreaming Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA

If you have the chance, could you look into my native resolution concern?
post #45 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

If you have the chance, could you look into my native resolution concern?

It sets the resolution at 1080p and does not change it when playing either SD or HD content. Personally I prefer this, as my television (a Mitsubishi Diamond Series LCD panel) does ugly things on resolution changes and the old player changed resolutions frequently. Besides, in the case of most fixed resolution devices, like LCD and plasma panels, something is going to have to upconvert, either your television or the source (or maybe a fancy video processor in between for the .0001% of the population who have those); the PS3 does a decent job.

The interface is a vast improvement over the BD one, though I don't know that I like it better than the Xbox's interface. There are some things that I don't understand about it. It has an "Audio and Subtitles" info item on the menu for a small subset of selections, even where they're stereo with no subtitles. Why is this item not on the menu for all titles? It would be nice if it told you that a title was HD and/or 5.1 in the info that pops up for as you scroll through them, as the Xbox and some of the other players do. You have to drill down into the title's "page" to find that out.

So far, I've found a couple of 5.1 items in my Instant Queue: Cashback, one of my favorites, and Follow the Prophet. I haven't checked all of them. It sends it to my receiver as DD5.1 and not PCM, though the "Audio and subtitles" menu things says that it's DD+ 5.1 (the BD player function would have processed it internally and sent it as PCM, since my receiver can't handle DD+ directly). Sadly, one of favorites that could actually benefit from digital surround, Serenity, doesn't have it.

Yes, aaronwt--the search feature was added to the BD version officially at the end of July (but it was actually there for some people a couple of months prior). I was pretty excited about it when I first saw it and posted pictures of it in one of these Netflix threads.
post #46 of 426
Unfortunately people have different use cases. I have an external scaler, and this change pisses me off to no end.

I'm sick of losing capabilities.
post #47 of 426
So the PS3 is actually upscaling the content, as was speculated on over the last few days?
post #48 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

Well that's a lot lower than what the initial press information indicated. Not owning a device, I never looked into the details after launch. Figured it was too good to be true

The lowest quality VUDU HDX is 4.5Mbs average, the highest is 9mbs average. VUDU HDX is supposed to hit bitrate peaks close to 20Mb/s.(if I remember correctly)
On my FiOS 35/35(which is really 43/35)connection I can view three concurrent HDX titles on my VUDU boxes at the highest quality.
And I get bitstreamed DD+ when viewing VUDU from my LG BD player.
post #49 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

Unfortunately people have different use cases. I have an external scaler, and this change pisses me off to no end.

I'm sick of losing capabilities.

So you were able to output Netflix at the native 720P from the PS3? While also have 1080P from the menus and BD titles?

I never really used Netflix on the PS3 before(except for a few minutes when I firets received the disc) because of the disc requirement so I typically used my TiVos which has native output.
post #50 of 426
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

The lowest quality VUDU HDX is 4.5Mbs average, the highest is 9mbs average. VUDU HDX is supposed to hit bitrate peaks close to 20Mb/s.(if I remember correctly)
On my FiOS 35/35(which is really 43/35)connection I can view three concurrent HDX titles on my VUDU boxes at the highest quality.
And I get bitstreamed DD+ when viewing VUDU from my LG BD player.

That is inline with the original press information. And again, I only brought it up as the bar Netflix should be shooting for.


As we now know, it's moot. The 1080p is simply scaling :\\



Does anyone have contact info for some of relevant Netflix VP's? For example, I'd like to discuss this with Greg Peters (VP of Partner Products Development).
post #51 of 426
So which titles have 5.1 sound: HD only or both HD and SD? Do you notice an improvement in picture quality of HD streaming? What about SD?

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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

I'm trying out the PS3 Netflix update right now. I see you can even search and add discs to your queue in addition to adding streaming titles to your instant queue.

Was this search capabilty there in the version where you needed to use a disc?

I see the DD 5.1 is working although I'm only getting DD and not DD+ from this 30 Rock episode. I thought they said it would be using DD+?

EDIT: I see that it is listed as DD+ and I can choose between DD+ and stereo in the audio and subtitle options in the netflix menu, but the PS3 is only sending DD to my receiver. I guess I should check my settings. I know for BD it has no problem bistreaming Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA
post #52 of 426
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

So you were able to output Netflix at the native 720P from the PS3? While also have 1080P from the menus and BD titles?

Yes, and SD was 480i as well.



My assumption is that since it was using BD-Live, it works using the PS3's DVD/BD libraries. They are configured to automatically output at native resolution, assuming you have it selected as a usable resolution in the display configuration.

The Netflix application on the other hand is being handled differently. It is using whatever the XMB does to my knowledge - ie. the highest setting selected as a usable resolution in the display configuration.
post #53 of 426
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Originally Posted by Cygnus2112 View Post

So which titles have 5.1 sound: HD only or both HD and SD? Do you notice an improvement in picture quality of HD streaming? What about SD?

When you click X on a title, the information will lest any 'extras' it has at top in separate boxes. Either 'HD', '5.1', etc.

To be honest, it's less graceful than the disc version in that regard. They should at least show whether its HD or 5.1 in the hover-over info.



I'm about to head to work, so I can't really comment regarding a quality comparison.
post #54 of 426
-No improvement on picture quality. It just no longer outputs native resolution and everything is upscaled to 1080i/P. I guess the bitrate is the same but I can no longer see it pressing "display".

-Few titles with DD+ 5.1, I can't see any in SD.

-New interface is nice, probably the best ever.
post #55 of 426
But how do you get the PS3 to send DD+? I'm only getting DD and I saw no setting in the PS3 setup for Netflix. Only for my BD playback which will bitstream DD+ from a BD that has it.
post #56 of 426
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post


So far, I've found a couple of 5.1 items in my Instant Queue: Cashback, one of my favorites, and Follow the Prophet. I haven't checked all of them. It sends it to my receiver as DD5.1 and not PCM, though the "Audio and subtitles" menu things says that it's DD+ 5.1 (the BD player function would have processed it internally and sent it as PCM, since my receiver can't handle DD+ directly). Sadly, one of favorites that could actually benefit from digital surround, Serenity, doesn't have it.

Just had the same experience with 'Cashback'.

The info readout shows,

Video: X-High HD
Audio English: 5.1 (Primary)
post #57 of 426
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Originally Posted by Raistlin_HT View Post

Unfortunately people have different use cases. I have an external scaler, and this change pisses me off to no end.

I don't mean to aggrevate you, but what percentage of users of this application do you imagine are using an external scaler? I'll bet that it's tiny in comparison to those of us who have televisions which don't handle dynamic resolution switches gracefully. This change is positive for far more people than for whom it's negative.
post #58 of 426
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I don't mean to aggrevate you, but what percentage of users of this application do you imagine are using an external scaler? I'll bet that it's tiny in comparison to those of us who have televisions which don't handle dynamic resolution switches gracefully. This change is positive for far more people than for whom it's negative.

You're right, the large majority of users do not have scalers, but for those of us who do, having that control taken away is definitely a negative aspect of this new Netflix/PS3 app.
post #59 of 426
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I don't mean to aggrevate you, but what percentage of users of this application do you imagine are using an external scaler? I'll bet that it's tiny in comparison to those of us who have televisions which don't handle dynamic resolution switches gracefully. This change is positive for far more people than for whom it's negative.

The change is NOT positive as a whole. A positive change would be to add the option for fixed resolution output. Replacing a feature is almost never good.
post #60 of 426
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Originally Posted by keenan View Post

You're right, the large majority of users do not have scalers, but for those of us who do, having that control taken away is definitely a negative aspect of this new Netflix/PS3 app.

Certainly not ideal but can't you simply change the PS3's resolution to the source's native resolution which would prevent any upscaling.
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