Home Theater Demo Disc - Version 2.0 - Page 15

I think he meant he only downloaded 345MB from the two seeders. the other 17gb is from peers (which they originally received from seeders)

Correct, I have 17.7GB total downloaded but only 345MB from the two seeders. So pretty much 100% from peers which means my download is being limited by the availability of the peers which at the moment is the same as what I have. Is that normal? I have the check mark in the bottom corner for connection health and I was downloading at over 1M last night when I went to bed.

I have uploaded 50GB so far so hopefully that has helped.

More like you send out the data in chunks to various people, and then they send the chunks out to the others in the torrent cloud, and they send it out, and so on, and so on, and so on.

But BlackHawk, yes, it's normal that you don't get much from the original seeder, when they are few... you shouldn't. If the original seeder was busy trying to send the same bits to everyone who joined in, it would never get done. The strength of the torrent system is that downloads are distributed by EVERYONE, as fast as possible. The way torrents work, they break a big file up into little pieces. Everyone downloads the pieces, and the software reassembles them into one file again on your end. Meanwhile, you can download the pieces from ANYONE in the torrent, rather than everyone waiting in line for Steve's upload to the first guy to finish. So everyone shares with everyone else, and no single person's bandwidth limit can clog up the entire chain.

The exception, is what we're looking at now: The initial seed. It takes days for anyone with a normal DSL-style upload speed limit (much lower than the downloading speed limit) to push out 46gb of materials. No matter who he pushes it to (hopefully only one person... if he pushed 46gb to even two people, it would take twice as long to finish the initial upload!), it's going to take a fixed amount of time. The software usually jumps around, distributing pieces to various people in connected in the torrent's cloud, so they can turn around and send them to others, without overwhelming any one person too badly.

As Steve pushes one chunk to someone, that person now has that piece also. And now they can upload it to someone else (without slowing Steve down any further). Then there are three people with that initial chunk, (while Steve continues to push pieces out to that first person or others, in the background). So if you join in right then, there are three people pushing out those early pieces all at once, so your download speed of those initial pieces ends up as an aggregate of all the other people's speed (possible three times Steve's original upload speed, at that point). Once you get 30, or 100, or 500+ people all sharing the same bits of the file, your download speeds can get insanely fast.

BUT, eventually, in these early phases, you catch up, and you have already downloaded everything that's Steve has thus far managed to upload, with his single DSL line. That's the slow situation we're currently in. If he can get the files to someone else via personal delivery/fedex/whatever of a drive, they can join in as fully-participating seeds as well, which would cut the initial seeding time in half, but I guess that didn't work out as hoped due to a problem with the initial file.

In a week (less, more likely), once Steve manages to push out the full file, a whole bunch of people will be seeding the file all at once. So your download speed will be silly fast... likely, as fast as your line is actually capable of working, literally pegged at the limit. But not until enough people have the whole file, which brings us back to the initial seed's upload speed limit.

Going back to your initial question, it absolutely makes sense that only a small part of your files will have come from the initial seeders... because everyone else connected is sharing. If there are 100 people in the collective, and only one of them is seeding, your odds are 1 in 100 that any particular piece will have come directly from the original seeder, as opposed to someone else.

I've simplified a bit, but hopefully this is at least somewhat clear, so people understand why it's slow at the moment, and how it will speed up soon enough.

More here: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikiped...%28protocol%29

Fascinating tech.

I'm now at 40% and have uploaded 43GB.

Curious, it says I've only downloaded 12.8 GB, but that's probably because I already had a fair bit downloaded with the previous torrent.

Thanks for the great summary confirming what I figured was probably the case.

47% done... uploaded 195 GB!

Still at 47%... along with all of my peers. Did the seed go down last night?

I'm now at 56%, looks like I'll have it for the weekend. :-)

Downloading at 120k, uploading at 680k...says there is only 1 seeder...

Yeah, although the torrent occasionally says there's 1.x availability (currently around 1.586), there really is only 0.586 availability since Steve is seeding to only one place to keep his upload fast.

It'll still take another couple days I think before it's fully available. By that time, people who started torrenting early will have the whole thing, but also, there will be a huge number of seeders and it'll start downloading a LOT faster.

A second seeder just appeared and my download speed just jumped a bit. I should expect it to be unstable for awhile, until more people get it.

Thanks for the info.

I was getting fast download and upload speeds last night. But today it dropped to 10kpbs and I don't see any seeders as well. Did everyone stop seeding?

But why I am done downloading 48%. I want to download it ASAP so that I can test it out.

Read post #426, just a few up. Then put on your thinking cap.

(or perhaps reverse that, and put on the thinking cap before you read the post!)

That's why. We ALL want it now! But until Verizon gets around to deploying FIOS to every house in the country, some people have slower upload times than others... and it turns out it just plain takes a long time to upload 46gb with a normal DSL line!

The torrent first went live on 8/15, but there was a problem, so really 8/16 (in the afternoon). So by this afternoon (8/18, Thursday), it will only have been truly live for 2 days, and we're already at about 60% available. At an upload rate 30% per day, we should be at 90% sometime tomorrow (Friday) afternoon and it should be fully available by sometime Saturday morning, I'd guess... maybe sooner if we're lucky, but that's what I would bank on.

Anyone joining in the torrent Saturday afternoon, Sunday, or perhaps better still Monday, their download speeds are going to FLY all the way to completion. It's only the early adopters who have to suffer through the initial download slowness (and anyone who comes too late to the party, like the people who were still trying to download the v1 disc over the past couple of weeks, with so few participants remaining).

Thanks for doing this Steve, really looking forward to the new disc. Any timeline for when you are going to start mailing out purchased copies?

I'm in the mix now too! Just got back from scuba diving with my Boy Scout Troop at the Florida Sea Base. I have the torrent and am downloading it as we speak. Thank you Steve for pulling this together again!

NoVA crew, PM me if you need help with this.

CJ

+1 for that!! I have no burner and would love to purchase a copy!! Kudos to one of the best ways to really demo your system!!!

Just wanted to say thank you for making another disc for us to enjoy and show off our theaters. I have yet to invest in a bluray burner as dual layer blurays are still too expensive (artificial held up to keep them that way). So I purchased the disk as I feel you deserve a little for your time and effort.

Thanks again!

I am at 62.25% complete and counting, so it is definately still working.

However, my downloading speed just dropped down to slow speed so it will take anotehr 2 days to complete.

That said, I know it will pick back up again at some point, so it will be much sooner than that.


Right now I have to limit my upload to only 600k, else my download takes hit...once I have it all downloaded I will change the upload to unlimited again.

Someone needs to post this to the newsgroups, then once its posted there is no waiting for anyone, you can download it at your max connection speed....

I am on a superfast connection, and would love to upload it to the newsgroups once I get it. But I started to download it through torrents and I was only downloading at 150k, I let it go for a few hours today, and still only downloading at that, but I am uploading at 2500k.... I have a 50mbps connection up and down, and could have it posted to the newsgroups in about 4 hours once i get it...

It sure is funny how history repeats itself.

Except maybe this time someone will actually post it to the newsgroups...

Feel free.

(echo... echo... echo...)

Was still stuck at 47% with a whole bunch of peers. Turns out I had the wrong torrent. Downloaded the new one and now I'm off and running. That was a waste of 20GB!

Anyone else stuck at 47%, you may have the old torrent, too.