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post #571 of 703
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I agree, I never said everybody...
No, just 98%. wink.gif
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POINT being, you can get a decent looking sub that has matching performance for less money than a funk. yea it may not have exotic wood, but it will look decent.
So what? Some people appreciate things like exotic finishes, nicely curved cabinets, expensive neo magnet motors to help keep weight down, and an advanced amplifier among other things, and they're willing to pay a premium for that. I don't know that any prospective 18.0 buyer really cares that there may be "decent looking" subs out there that offer comparable performance for less money.
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Originally Posted by basshead81 View Post

I guess I need to break out the crayola crayons for some folks to understand and not take my posts out of context. tongue.gif
You might consider that it'd be a lot harder to twist your words if you weren't making statements like:
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I was basing that off of members here in this forum...why do 98% of all ID companies build large subwoofers and why do most members here buy them? Because we dont care about looks we want performance...
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I can hear it now...my sub out performs yours...yea but my sub is prettier. lol

I think 98% would take the better performance for less money over looks anyday. Were not talking about cars or women here, were talking about a subwoofer. My apologies if I offended the 2%. smile.gif
post #572 of 703
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Originally Posted by Steve1981 View Post

No, just 98%. wink.gif
So what? Some people appreciate things like exotic finishes, nicely curved cabinets, expensive neo magnet motors to help keep weight down, and an advanced amplifier among other things, and they're willing to pay a premium for that. I don't know that any prospective 18.0 buyer really cares that there may be "decent looking" subs out there that offer comparable performance for less money.

You might consider that it'd be a lot harder to twist your words if you weren't making statements like:

just drop it...funk makes some quality stuff and we will leave it at that.
post #573 of 703
For those who want similar overall performance to the 18.0 for significantly less money, we also have our 18.1, it has a db or 2 more output 16-25hz, a db or so little less 30-60hz, and roughly equal above 60hz. The only drawbacks is that being a ported design it has no useful output below ~15hz, and it is a little larger, and not as nice looking.

Also there is our 18.0C that offers overall about half the output of the 18.0 under 60hz(they are actually near equal above that), for about half the money(FYI we do offer discounts on pairs), so for nearly the same cost you can get the same overall performance split in two. However even though it is smaller than the 18.0 two of them do add up to a larger unit.

Then there is the 18.3 that for only slightly more cost gives you ~6db more output 13~30hz(in the lowest tuning mode, in the highest tuning mode it offers up to 9db more output than the 18.0, at 20-25hz, at the loss of output under 18hz).

Also all things considered raw output is not always the end game when considering what you get for your money, what all our subwoofers are primarily designed to excel at is low distortion(specifically the more objectionable high order distortion(s), that are especially noticeable in the upper range of a subwoofers use. This facilitates better and easier integration with high end speakers), and low compression, which in combination with solid output capability offer the best sound quality and dynamics possible, at often more than satisfying output levels.
post #574 of 703
i want my system to sell so i can upgrade. frown.gif
post #575 of 703
Unfortunately the 18.3 is huge. It just wouldn't fly in my setup. I can dream I guess.
post #576 of 703
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Originally Posted by club968 View Post

Unfortunately the 18.3 is huge. It just wouldn't fly in my setup. I can dream I guess.

but its awesome... ergo, worth remodeling the house for, haha. jk.
post #577 of 703
If the most output for the smallest size is required, that's where our 18.2 comes in, with 5-8db(depending on frequency) higher output across the board, in a marginally larger enclosure, and believe it or not a higher level yet of sound quality, and low distortion. The only drawback; yes it costs more.
post #578 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

If the most output for the smallest size is required, that's where our 18.2 comes in, with 5-8db(depending on frequency) higher output across the board, in a marginally larger enclosure, and believe it or not a higher level yet of sound quality, and low distortion. The only drawback; yes it costs more.
higher than what? the 18.0 or 18.3?
post #579 of 703
Sorry, higher than the 18.0
post #580 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

If the most output for the smallest size is required, that's where our 18.2 comes in, with 5-8db(depending on frequency) higher output across the board, in a marginally larger enclosure, and believe it or not a higher level yet of sound quality, and low distortion. The only drawback; yes it costs more.

Only a little more though..lol wink.gif
post #581 of 703
For those with generous space available for their subwoofer(s) on a custom order bassis we can do some amazing things. From relatively simple large ported designs to full on custom low frequency horns. For those that want crazy output with low distortion and have lots of room it is possible to provide a lot more for your money(especially if a nice finish is not required) compared to anything else around(including our regular products). Our standard products are designed to provide the best combination of performance in a relatively small(and attractive) package for more than competitive prices when comparing to products of similar size and performance.
post #582 of 703
Hi Nathan,

What would you recommend in the way of an FA custom that would significantly outperform the 18.0 below 20 Hz?

Could Funk Audio provide a modified version of the AllDSP firmware that extends the PEQ adjustment range down to 10 Hz?

Thanks!
post #583 of 703
It would all depend on how much below 20hz you want to go, how much space you have available, and what the budget is, as this will vary with everyone that is why we would do it on a custom order basis. One possible way to get the same performance as two 18.0's under ~25hz(at the sacrifice of a few db over 30hz), with all the same functions and features, would be to go with a pair of sealed boxes(or even a single large unit) a fair amount larger than the 18.0 ~24" cube(dimensions could be customized for specific requirements) each with a modified TSAD18v1, both powered by a single 2.4Kw amp. (In a new finish we are working on for the budget limited, that will possibly shave ~150ea off the price for all our products, provided it works as expected)This would cost ~4500 delivered. Alternatively we could do a similar idea, but a single, modified TSAD18, again in a ~24" cube, with the 800 watt amp(not near as extensive end user DSP controls) . This would give output about halfway between the 18.0C and the 18.0 under 40hz, a little less than both over 60hz(nearly matched to the 18.0C 40-60hz) for ~2200 delivered.

Or we could do customized version(s) of our 18.3, if response lower than standard is needed. With a lager enclosure we could get the tuning down as low as ~12hz, at this tuning less power would be required to reach the limits of the driver in the low end, so we could do something similar to the above and run two units(or one giant enclosure with dual modified drivers) running off one 2.4kw amp. for a total size of ~44x44x22( or two 44x22x22). This would be around $6000 delivered, this is less than a pair of 18.0's and compared to a pair of them you would get roughly the same output 25-50hz, with a little less over 50hz, but ~10db more output at 12hz, ~6db more at 16hz, and ~3db more 20hz.

If response is not need too much below 20hz we have a possible front loaded horn design that would provide staggering output down to ~15hz, on the order of ~20db!! ~17-20hz and *only* 6-8db more 40-100hz, when compared to the 18.0. Price would have to be worked out depending on location/shipping etc, it would be ~62x62x24, and I would ballpark it around the cost of a pair of 18.0. If something less expensive is desired there are other possibilities as well, albeit with lower output etc.
post #584 of 703
Sounds like you have some compelling custom offerings. I'd need to sell my 15.0 x2 to make room however. I'll chat you up on the details if I find a buyer for my "lightly used" dual 15".

Is there a cure for "Sub Lust" (other than just buying bigger subs every few years)???
post #585 of 703
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Is there a cure for "Sub Lust" (other than just buying bigger subs every few years)???

To be honest I think so, at some point you will have enough, the enough point depends greatly on the space(and its acoustics) being filled. For me personally in my fairly large space ~7000 cubic feet, even one 18.2(so far my favorite sub for sound and output) would satisfy my "daily" needs(I have a spot in my room that actually gives me really nice frequency response so one sub can do quite well). Two is simply amazing, and while it would be(is) fun to have more I honestly wouldn't normally "use" it for actual music listening or movie watching.
post #586 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

...at some point you will have enough...

Huh?

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post #587 of 703
What I mean is it is possible to have enough headroom for actual listening use without having to worry about pushing things too hard, this is highly dependent on the space being filled, and its acoustics.
post #588 of 703
I was just kidding around. To some of us obsessive types, there's no such thing as "enough". Ok, perhaps if a sub had clean flat response down to 3 dB with at least 130 dB SPL output capability, maybe that would be enough... wink.gif
post #589 of 703
FW18.0C DataBass tests are now up;
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=97
post #590 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

FW18.0C DataBass tests are now up;
http://www.data-bass.com/data?page=system&id=97

looks really good.
post #591 of 703
Hey Guys,

I've almost got my 5.1 or 5.2 audio system for my theater room figured out. I would just like a little advice on the sub(s).

- Budget: $6000.00
- Room Dimensions: 16' length x 12' width x 10' height = ~2000^3
- Use: 80% HT & Gaming / 20% Music (Rock, Hip Hop, Club)
- Fit/Finish: Piano Gloss Black and/or Flat Black
- This audio setup is complementing a 120" projection video setup so it needs to be loud.

LCR and surround speakers: ($3000.00)
- Soundfield Audio M1 Monitors with upgraded 8" TC Sounds drivers ($1500.00/pair)
- Soundfield Audio matching Center ($700.00)
- KEF Q800ds dipole Surrounds ($800.00/pair)

Sub(s): ($3000.00)
- Rythmik FV15HP ported, piano gloss black ($1500.00) x1 or x2?
- Funky Waves FW 18.? w/ TC Sounds LMS-Ultra 5400 driver, sealed or ported?, piano gloss black, price: ~$3000.00 so I could only get one for now
- Any other suggestions that are not on my list? Must be WAF approved.
post #592 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

- Room Dimensions: 16' length x 12' width x 10' height = ~2000^3

From the sounds of it, you've got a fairly small space that would be quite suitable for a sealed subwoofer. If the room is reasonably well sealed off from other spaces and the boundaries are of reasonable construction (i.e. not a paper thin piece of drywall separating the room from a 10,000 cubic foot great room), a Funk 18.0 or a pair of 18.0Cs could deliver very impressive output.

Also FWIW, you can get the KEF Q800ds b-stock over at A4L.
post #593 of 703
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Originally Posted by Steve1981 View Post

From the sounds of it, you've got a fairly small space that would be quite suitable for a sealed subwoofer. If the room is reasonably well sealed off from other spaces and the boundaries are of reasonable construction (i.e. not a paper thin piece of drywall separating the room from a 10,000 cubic foot great room), a Funk 18.0 or a pair of 18.0Cs could deliver very impressive output.

Also FWIW, you can get the KEF Q800ds b-stock over at A4L.

Well the house is being built now. The walls (exterior and interior) surrounding the theater room will be filled with closed cell spray foam insulation. This makes it very rigid and is also a good sound barrier (from what I've read). I just don't know if I should get 2 Rythmik's (they recommend ported for HT), or 1 FW 18 (sealed or ported). I could always add another FW 18 later down the road, but I'm thinking one of them would suffice.

Thanks for the heads up about the b-stock KEFs. smile.gif
post #594 of 703
I don't know much about the rhythmiks outside of being crazy performers with a lot of output, but if you were looking at a single 18.0 I think it would sound tremendous in your room. I have a pair of 18.0s in a room 3 times that size open to the rest of my house and they do a fantastic job through the low frequency range down to about 10hz. Granted I can't hit reference levels below about 13-14hz but I still get good output below it which sounds very balanced and clean with little distortion.
post #595 of 703
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Originally Posted by club968 View Post

I don't know much about the rhythmiks outside of being crazy performers with a lot of output, but if you were looking at a single 18.0 I think it would sound tremendous in your room. I have a pair of 18.0s in a room 3 times that size open to the rest of my house and they do a fantastic job through the low frequency range down to about 10hz. Granted I can't hit reference levels below about 13-14hz but I still get good output below it which sounds very balanced and clean with little distortion.

I bet that sounds amazing club! I'm coming from a super cheap 5.1 Sony setup so this is going to be quite the jump in performance for me. I'm going from a $500 5.1 HTIB Sony system to a $6000 5.1 custom system. eek.gif

Needless to say, I'm pretty stoked and waiting until November for my home to be completed so I can finally play with my new toys is really becoming a nail biting experience. biggrin.gif
post #596 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

I just don't know if I should get 2 Rythmik's (they recommend ported for HT), or 1 FW 18 (sealed or ported).
Lets put it this way: whichever option you choose, you're not likely to be disappointed.

From the info available, I'd expect the ported Funk 18.1 would be roughly comparable in output capability to the Rythmik FV15HP, but obviously finishing options exceed "black" for the Funk. I'd still stand by the expectation that a powerful sealed sub or two would likely excel in your space; if you were to get one 18.0 now and another later, it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility to get useful output down to 10Hz in a room of that size.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

Thanks for the heads up about the b-stock KEFs. smile.gif
Not a problem. I actually got a full KEF 5.0 set from them myself biggrin.gif
post #597 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post

I bet that sounds amazing club! I'm coming from a super cheap 5.1 Sony setup so this is going to be quite the jump in performance for me. I'm going from a $500 5.1 HTIB Sony system to a $6000 5.1 custom system. eek.gif

Needless to say, I'm pretty stoked and waiting until November for my home to be completed so I can finally play with my new toys is really becoming a nail biting experience. biggrin.gif

As nice as the Funk 18.0 is, it seems to me that you would almost be crazy to pass up on dual FV15HP's knowing that your total budget is only $6000. Plus in past posts you've mentioned numerous times that you'll be using the set up for a lot of HT, and for example at 20hz it would basically take two 18.0 to equal one FV15HP. For the price of the 18.0, dual FV15HP's will crush it in output. It's really not even a fair comparison because they are two totally different designs.

Like Steve mentioned you really need to look at the 18.1 to compare with a FV15HP.
post #598 of 703
i would vote for a single 18.3 or dual 18.1's. funk audio is about refined listening, balance, and the pure enjoyment of hifi in music and theater.... not loud mess.
post #599 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

As nice as the Funk 18.0 is, it seems to me that you would almost be crazy to pass up on dual FV15HP's knowing that your total budget is only $6000. Plus in past posts you've mentioned numerous times that you'll be using the set up for a lot of HT, and for example at 20hz it would basically take two 18.0 to equal one FV15HP. For the price of the 18.0, dual FV15HP's will crush it in output. It's really not even a fair comparison because they are two totally different designs.

Like Steve mentioned you really need to look at the 18.1 to compare with a FV15HP.

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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

i would vote for a single 18.3 or dual 18.1's. funk audio is about refined listening, balance, and the pure enjoyment of hifi in music and theater.... not loud mess.

What about the new Funk Audio 18.2 that's up for Pre-release purchase?
post #600 of 703
The 18.2 would be awesome. Unfortunately a budget of $6000 would still put him a couple thousand short.
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