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post #601 of 703
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

i would vote for a single 18.3 or dual 18.1's. funk audio is about refined listening, balance, and the pure enjoyment of hifi in music and theater.... not loud mess.

Don't forget, low distortion to!!!!
post #602 of 703
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

i would vote for a single 18.3 or dual 18.1's. funk audio is about refined listening, balance, and the pure enjoyment of hifi in music and theater.... not loud mess.

The FV15HP uses direct-servo technology, I think you would have a hard time finding anyone to say anything bad about how it sounds! It's about as far away from a "loud mess" as possible.

Again I'm not putting down the 18.0, I think Nathan makes really nice subs and I'm sure they sound great. But let's be honest here if Mr.Hatcher really is considering dual FV15HP's verse a single 18.0 its not even a fair fight. That would be light Floyd Mayweather going up against Mike Tyson in his prime. At 20hz a single 18.0 has 103.4db output, dual FV15HP's would have 112db! And let's not even get started on the advantages of duals verse a single sub.

With Mr.Hatcher having a budget of only 6 grand his money is much better spent on two FV15HP's rather then a single 18.0.

Sorry I'm really not trying to come off like I don't like Funk subs, I'm just being realistic about comparing a 18.0 to dual FV15HP's that Mr.Hatcher has been considering.
Edited by jbrown15 - 7/11/13 at 8:55pm
post #603 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post


What about the new Funk Audio 18.2 that's up for Pre-release purchase?

I think the passive version of the 18.2 is almost $7000. I would think this sub would be targeted towards someone that might be considering something like a Paradigm Signature Sub 2.
post #604 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

The FV15HP uses direct-servo technology, I think you would have a hard time finding anyone to say anything bad about how it sounds! It's about as far away from a "loud mess" as possible.

Again I'm not putting down the 18.0, I think Nathan makes really nice subs and I'm sure they sound great. But let's be honest here if Mr.Hatcher really is considering dual FV15HP's verse a single 18.0 its not even a fair fight. That would be light Floyd Mayweather going up against Mike Tyson in his prime. At 20hz a single 18.0 has 103.4db output, dual FV15HP's would have 112db! And let's not even get started on the advantages of duals verse a single sub.

With Mr.Hatcher having a budget of only 6 grand his money is much better spent on two FV15HP's rather then a single 18.0.

Sorry I'm really not trying to come off like I don't like Funk subs, I'm just being realistic about comparing a 18.0 to dual FV15HP's that Mr.Hatcher has been considering.
i wasn't referring to the FV15. i was pointing out the difference between funk and some other products. i have heard the FV15HP, and although it does have output, i personally don't like how it delivers the sound. i certainty wouldn't say that it's messy although it has a nasty 20hz bump that is tiresome and needs to be eq'ed out, and there is the port noise at high listening levels (lots of port noise) and became noticeable to me at around 100db. at mid levels its ok, but fails to "reveal" sound in the source material. messy? no, veiled? yes.
if loud is the order of the day, then the FV15HP is the sub; but if clarity and output is what is desired, then Funk is it.
post #605 of 703
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Originally Posted by Mr. Hatcher View Post


What about the new Funk Audio 18.2 that's up for Pre-release purchase?
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post

18.2 - the bass was so intense, it literally made me slightly nauseated. i would put it on par with dual 18.3's + dual 18.0's... which i have heard. the 18.2 violates it's listeners, it imposes bass upon you, and if you say "no thanks", it tells you to shut the f*** up. it's like getting pistol whipped with a howitzer.

honestly, the 18.2 is too much for me.
post #606 of 703
In a room that size rather than focusing on more output at 20hz alone(with room gain a ported 20hz unit is likely to end up giving you a peak 20-30hz that you would want to EQ out anyway, so more headroom in that range would be wasted once Eq'ed) you would be much better off with a sealed sub that will provide a good match to the room gain and provide much lower extension. In that size room 10hz shouldn't be a problem with the 18.0, with solid balanced high output right from 10hz up.

The 18.2 is geared for those that want massive output in the smallest space possible, already our 18.0 competes with the SUB2, and the 18.2 offers aprox the output(depending on frequency and power level 1 or 2) of two 18.0's in nearly the same overall size box. To accomplish this it costs. However we can just as easily go the other way, if size is not an issue for only ~1.5x the cost of the 18.0, as a custom order we can provide a pair of larger boxes with modified TSAD18 drivers and a single 2.4kw amp to power them, this would provide the output of two 18.0's under ~30hz, and ~1.5x the output above 30hz.
post #607 of 703
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post


i wasn't referring to the FV15. i was pointing out the difference between funk and some other products. i have heard the FV15HP, and although it does have output, i personally don't like how it delivers the sound. i certainty wouldn't say that it's messy although it has a nasty 20hz bump that is tiresome and needs to be eq'ed out, and there is the port noise at high listening levels (lots of port noise) and became noticeable to me at around 100db. at mid levels its ok, but fails to "reveal" sound in the source material. messy? no, veiled? yes.
if loud is the order of the day, then the FV15HP is the sub; but if clarity and output is what is desired, then Funk is it.

Which other subs were you referring too? Also I'm curious at how you were able to get lots of port noise from it? I'm guessing when you were hearing lots of port noise it was in single port mode? I only ask because from all the reading up on the FV15HP I did, I was really only able to find one reference of people hearing port noise. And that was at one of the GTG meets while running super low sweeps.

Other then that most pretty much swear there's no port noise coming from it while under normal use.

Manwithnocape if you wanted to PM me a reply that would be great, I just really don't want to talk about the FV15HP anymore in the Funk thread.
post #608 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Again I'm not putting down the 18.0, I think Nathan makes really nice subs and I'm sure they sound great. But let's be honest here if Mr.Hatcher really is considering dual FV15HP's verse a single 18.0 its not even a fair fight.

Perhaps, but since Mr. Hatcher mentioned he's willing to add a second 18.0 down the road, that potentially changes things a bit. With a second 18.0, output capability in the 20Hz-120Hz range should effectively become a non-factor in a 2000 cubic foot space, even if a quartet of FV15HPs could deliver more dB in the range. OTOH, the 18.0's relative strengths get a boost. Since it isn't hindered by the steep roll off of a bass reflex alignment, a single 18.0 can deliver 10Hz output that's only ~3dB off the monster Paradigm Sub 2, whereas the FV15HP understandably can't muster a passing score that low regardless of tune. Add a second 18.0 as well as a bit of low end gain, and suddenly you've got yourself pretty serious 10Hz performance and potential for useful single digit extension. What's more, you're getting this in two nicely finished cabinets versus a comparably priced quartet of black boxes.
post #609 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I was really only able to find one reference of people hearing port noise.

FWIW, it is also mentioned in Josh Ricci's notes from testing the one port mode of the FV15HP:
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Unfortunately the single 3" port can't cope with the output of the 15" driver and compresses a lot while also contributing a lot of wind noise at the highest output levels.
I also suspect judging by his commentary on the SubM Benchmark thread that the Rythmik isn't truly delivering a "clean" 98.5dB of output at 12Hz.
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Other then that most pretty much swear there's no port noise coming from it while under normal use.
Probably not, but then again a sub like the Hsu STF-2 would be fine my "normal" use.
post #610 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

I think the passive version of the 18.2 is almost $7000. I would think this sub would be targeted towards someone that might be considering something like a Paradigm Signature Sub 2.

Ouch, that's definitely out of my price range. I bet they are awesome though, and you get what you pay for and all, but I can't swing that much $$$.
post #611 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

In a room that size rather than focusing on more output at 20hz alone(with room gain a ported 20hz unit is likely to end up giving you a peak 20-30hz that you would want to EQ out anyway, so more headroom in that range would be wasted once Eq'ed) you would be much better off with a sealed sub that will provide a good match to the room gain and provide much lower extension. In that size room 10hz shouldn't be a problem with the 18.0, with solid balanced high output right from 10hz up.

The 18.2 is geared for those that want massive output in the smallest space possible, already our 18.0 competes with the SUB2, and the 18.2 offers aprox the output(depending on frequency and power level 1 or 2) of two 18.0's in nearly the same overall size box. To accomplish this it costs. However we can just as easily go the other way, if size is not an issue for only ~1.5x the cost of the 18.0, as a custom order we can provide a pair of larger boxes with modified TSAD18 drivers and a single 2.4kw amp to power them, this would provide the output of two 18.0's under ~30hz, and ~1.5x the output above 30hz.

Funky Waves,

PM sent...
post #612 of 703
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Originally Posted by manwithnocape View Post




honestly, the 18.2 is too much for me.

It's probably too much for my small room. I don't want the new paint to come off my walls, LOL!
post #613 of 703
Sub has arrived!
18.0C, will give some more detailed feedback later. Looks great. Zebra wood with cherry stain.


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Edited by anthonywoy - 7/19/13 at 4:50pm
post #614 of 703
Very handsome sub!
post #615 of 703
My thoughts exactly smile.gif

Finishing is top notch, not sure who else even does anything this good.
post #616 of 703
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Originally Posted by anthonywoy View Post

My thoughts exactly smile.gif

Finishing is top notch, not sure who else even does anything this good.

Now when are you bringing it by my place so we can see how it compares to my sub like we talked about?....I'm really curious to hear it.
post #617 of 703
I want to so some testing and a review first. My next month is crazy busy, but I think late Aug or after would work. Would like to hear your speakers as well.
post #618 of 703
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Originally Posted by anthonywoy View Post

I want to so some testing and a review first. My next month is crazy busy, but I think late Aug or after would work. Would like to hear your speakers as well.

Yeah I'm pretty tied up till September actually, so any time after that. For sure I'd love to show off the JTR's to you! If you've never heard horns before I will warn you that it's a different sound at first, at least to me it was. But now that i'm use to how they sound I love them.
post #619 of 703
Nathan recently recommended some revisions to the AllDSP settings in my 18.0. Since his updates made a dramatic improvement below 17 Hz, I thought I'd post the results:


Since the AllDSP update, this is the first time that I've seen significant cone excursions while playing tracks like Bass, I Love You. All the music tracks that I've listened to post-update sound great. I'm looking forward to hearing some bass-heavy flicks with the revised settings!

I just ordered a custom sub from Nathan to keep the 18.0 company. The new one will have four TSAD18v1 drivers in an enclosure 24" W x 40" D x 46" H (4800 W and AllDSP built-in, Quilted Bubinga finish). Will post info on the beast after it arrives. Can't wait!
post #620 of 703
Pleasd do! I looked up some info on quilted bubinga and that is some exotic looking stuff!!
post #621 of 703
I had asked Nathan about burl walnut, but apparently that's hard to source in the size we need. Quilted Bubinga has a similar appearance & is easier to obtain, so that's what I'm going with. Just waiting for a sample with a couple different stain options so I can choose the color. smile.gif
post #622 of 703
Henrich, does that FR graph just include measurements from the 18.0 or do you have other subs involved? What are the dimension of your room?. That graph looks great.
post #623 of 703
The room is 14’ x 16’, but it has a vaulted ceiling and it’s open to the rest of the house on the right side. It's a dual-purpose family room / home theater.

I have three subs, but I disconnected the other two prior to that measurement. Since Nathan's update, plus a little fine-tuning I did this morning, I see that my Velodyne HGS-15 just can't keep up with the others below ~ 12 Hz. I've decided to leave that one powered down since it seems to hinder the combined response.

My other sub is a Funk Audio 15.0 x2 (dual LMSR-15). Nathan's update made a dramatic improvement to the bottom end on that one as well, but it'll go to an audiophile friend after my new behemoth arrives from Halfmoon Bay. Five 18" TSAD drivers in my room should be sufficient, I believe... biggrin.gif
post #624 of 703
Thought I'd get this thread back on top, lol. henrich3, after listening to your monster build I got to talking to Nathan again. So, not to be outdone (or I guess still outdone by you but keeping it a little closer) I'm having the Funk build me what he calls double 18.0s. Its basically how it sounds. An 18.0 stacked on top of another 18.0 (2 TSADv1 drivers with 2 x 2.4kW) all in the same enclosure. And to make it a little more ridiculous I'm getting a pair of these to go along with my pair of 18.0s.

The pair that I have now are plenty capable except when I play the big bass movies of TIH, WOTW and HTTYD. Everything else plays without a hiccup but these 3 movies exhaust my subs when I get my receiver to about -5 MV. Can't have that now can I?

So to sum it up.....I'm looking at 6 TSADv1 drivers being powered by 14,400 watts of Funky goodness. Realistically I'll probably sell at least on of the 18.0s since this may be a little overkill but in the meantime this should be lots of fun!
post #625 of 703
Sweeeet!!! I certainly hope you'll be posting pics, impressions, and FR charts after you get 'em setup. What finish are you going with?

Try X-Men: First Class as another sub killer flick after your double 18.0's are tweaked. Lots of great ULF in that one.
post #626 of 703
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Originally Posted by club968 View Post

Thought I'd get this thread back on top, lol. henrich3, after listening to your monster build I got to talking to Nathan again. So, not to be outdone (or I guess still outdone by you but keeping it a little closer) I'm having the Funk build me what he calls double 18.0s. Its basically how it sounds. An 18.0 stacked on top of another 18.0 (2 TSADv1 drivers with 2 x 2.4kW) all in the same enclosure. And to make it a little more ridiculous I'm getting a pair of these to go along with my pair of 18.0s.

The pair that I have now are plenty capable except when I play the big bass movies of TIH, WOTW and HTTYD. Everything else plays without a hiccup but these 3 movies exhaust my subs when I get my receiver to about -5 MV. Can't have that now can I?

So to sum it up.....I'm looking at 6 TSADv1 drivers being powered by 14,400 watts of Funky goodness. Realistically I'll probably sell at least on of the 18.0s since this may be a little overkill but in the meantime this should be lots of fun!

Wouldn't that be the same as going with a 18.3 Funk sub?
post #627 of 703
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Originally Posted by jbrown15 View Post

Wouldn't that be the same as going with a 18.3 Funk sub?

No, the 18.3 is more like a 18.0 but with passive radiators, and this makes it behave like a ported sub in FR. What he is doing is just doubling an 18.0. It probably still won't quite match the 18.3 in output at the tuning point but everywhere else it will offer a lot more performance than a 18.3. Personally I would just get two 18.0s and have the cabinets built so that they could easily be stacked. Building them as a single unit has a bunch of disadvantages but no real advantages. It will be painful to move around and difficult to resell at a reasonable percentage of original cost if he ever wanted to upgrade. Still, it will be an amazing sub and a sight to behold.
post #628 of 703
There are some significant advantages to a double 18.0. The main advantage being cost, as it is lighter and a little shorter(while maintaining the same internal volume for each driver) than two 18.0's shipping is less. Also we can run both amplifiers inside on one mounting plate and one dsp hardware so there are savings there as well. Finaly it costs less to biuld and finish one taller box than two smaller ones, especially in a premium finish like gloss black.
post #629 of 703
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Originally Posted by Funky Waves View Post

There are some significant advantages to a double 18.0. The main advantage being cost, as it is lighter and a little shorter(while maintaining the same internal volume for each driver) than two 18.0's shipping is less. Also we can run both amplifiers inside on one mounting plate and one dsp hardware so there are savings there as well. Finaly it costs less to biuld and finish one taller box than two smaller ones, especially in a premium finish like gloss black.

Okay thanks for the input Nathan.
post #630 of 703
Yes, I did ponder just buying 4 18.0s and stacking them but after Nathan explained the build of a double 18.0 I felt it would look much nicer. Stacked subs to me wouldnt be as sleek looking. And face it, looks is one of the reasons I considered Funk Audio in the first place. I have limited placement options so I didn't really consider stacked 18.0s to have the option of taking apart and placing around the room for better FR because I couldn't.

I had thought about a pair of 18.3s before I had gone with my original 18.0s but I was more interested in increasing my output around 10hz. The 18.0s do/did a great job with that. I easily reach reference levels to about 14-15hz in my extremely large room. I can get up to 110db at 10hz at which point I fall off a cliff (and the subs are just plain out of any more capability at that point)......but I want more.

Chet
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