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post #241 of 543
Also anyone having problems with Harry Potter 7. I made a MKV that the PCH wont play with MakeMkv and VLC plays that file fine.

Also the ISO I made with anyDVD plays back on the C-200 as well. Just the MKV of the BD that wont play at all.....

Sean
post #242 of 543
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

New Firmware is out for the PCH. has a setting for colorspace now but stilll not auto color space support.

supposedly fixed issue with eversion and ISO files but I can't prove that as loading the eversion skin crashes the whole box and makes it reboot.

maybe new eversion will come out and I can retire AEON with SabishGT mods....

For those running AEON wall stock, you are really missing out. The details screens on the SabishGT skin are much better and have lots more geek info.....

pictures here....

http://wiki.plexapp.com/index.php/Plex_iOS

Sysabas did indicate they are working on auto color space mode... Finally only 3 years after this was reported.

Sean

Sean, so this colorspace setting lets you choose from 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 now? Isn't the PCH using RGB though?
post #243 of 543
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Sean, so this colorspace setting lets you choose from 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 now? Isn't the PCH using RGB though?

The setting now lets you choose between RGB 0-255, RGB 16-235, YCbCr BT601 and YCbCr BT709. Both YCbCr settings are 4:4:4.
post #244 of 543
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Originally Posted by peterjcat View Post

The setting now lets you choose between RGB 0-255, RGB 16-235, YCbCr BT601 and YCbCr BT709. Both YCbCr settings are 4:4:4.

peterjcat, thanks for the explanation. That puts it on par with my Dune now but no better off since it apparently forces 4:4:4 for everything. If it was going to do YCbCr 4:2:2 then I might be persuaded to try a C200. I let my scaler do the conversion and output 4:4:4 to the projector but I would prefer a choice for how my sources handle colorspace. In my setup at least, the ideal scenario is 4:2:2 from source to scaler and then 4:4:4 from the scaler to the display.
post #245 of 543
Popcorn Hour

I am thinking of getting the Popcorn Hour C200, because I want to be able to watch my ISO blu rays with their full interactive menus instead of putting them to disc. At the moment I got the sumvision Cyclone MKV but unfortunate it doesn't process blu ray menus, nor does it support trueHD or DTS MA Audio.
According to what I've read, The Popcorn Hour C200 processes the full blu ray ISO menus. Does this include the pop-up and interactive trivia menus which pop up during some movies?

I noticed some sites are offering a BD-rom drive with the C200 for about £350. I am not sure what speed those roms are as I've yet to see any of these sites specifying them. I found a Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BD-ROM for £49.00 with the following read speed BD-ROM: 12x BD-R: 8x BD-RE: 8x BD-RE DL: 6x DVD: 16x CD: 48x. (10x seems to be the maximum read speed for BD-R, BD-RE and 6x for BD-RE DL) What's more it's also a multi DVD writer.

Wouldn't I be better off getting the Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP and install it myself? I do intend to get maybe a three terabyte internal HDD at some point, but for now will plug my external USB HDD into C200 and use my BD- rom drive. Would I also be right in thinking it will be a faster process reading files directly from an internal HDD than an external USB HDD, resulting in an all-round better picture and sound quality or it makes no difference?

Thanks in advance for any help.
post #246 of 543
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Originally Posted by xbguy View Post

Popcorn Hour

I am thinking of getting the Popcorn Hour C200, because I want to be able to watch my ISO blu rays with their full interactive menus instead of putting them to disc. At the moment I got the sumvision Cyclone MKV but unfortunate it doesn’t process blu ray menus, nor does it support trueHD or DTS MA Audio.
According to what I’ve read, The Popcorn Hour C200 processes the full blu ray ISO menus. Does this include the pop-up and interactive trivia menus which pop up during some movies?

I noticed some sites are offering a BD-rom drive with the C200 for about £350. I am not sure what speed those roms are as I’ve yet to see any of these sites specifying them. I found a Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP 12x BD-ROM for £49.00 with the following read speed BD-ROM: 12x BD-R: 8x BD-RE: 8x BD-RE DL: 6x DVD: 16x CD: 48x. (10x seems to be the maximum read speed for BD-R, BD-RE and 6x for BD-RE DL) What’s more it’s also a multi DVD writer.

Wouldn’t I be better off getting the Samsung SH-B123L/RSBP and install it myself? I do intend to get maybe a three terabyte internal HDD at some point, but for now will plug my external USB HDD into C200 and use my BD- rom drive. Would I also be right in thinking it will be a faster process reading files directly from an internal HDD than an external USB HDD, resulting in an all-round better picture and sound quality or it makes no difference?

Thanks in advance for any help.

There is no difference in PQ between USB, Sata, or BD Rom. Its all the same.... the speeds required just aren't high enough to stress any of those interfaces...

can't see a benefit in not installing your own BD-Rom except dealing with one vendor and potential support and compat issues.

Compat with BD Drives is well documented on the PCH forums FAQ

Sean
post #247 of 543
EDIT: After complaining again about the restocking fee Popcorn support did indeed find that is was a DOA after more testing. Glad to see it wasn't a problem on my end, though the run around they gave me was more trouble then it's worth. Also, my new Boxee Box performs wonderfully!
post #248 of 543
You have a network problem. Nothing wrong with the Popcorn Hour and 1080p.
post #249 of 543
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Originally Posted by VangornX View Post

Do not buy and Popcorn boxes if you want to stream 1080p! I purchased one recently to replace my WDTV Live which worked perfectly. Popcorn Box is advertised as a capable 1080p streamer but stutters EXCESSIVELY. The hardware simply can't keep up. Even if i got a DOA unit, after returning the item I was charged a 15% restocking fee on top of the shipping (which is to be expected) totaling $25 both ways despite following all troubleshooting. Popbox refuses to acknowledge it is their fault (I simply unplugged the WDTV and put the Popcorn in it's place, nothing changed). I am now out $40 with no player due to their poor support. I cannot recommend this product based on my experiences and customer support.

Sorry I dont agree with that comment. THe PCH C-200 has played every 1080P file I have played on it. Now over 100 movies with no issues... (and I tested with all 5 NAS's I have here on hand).

Sorry to hear your having problems but I also have a WDTV and some high bitrate files the WDTV live plus struggles with plays fine on the C-200. I would do some diagnostics on your network and see what you can figure out.

also anyone who's considering buying one. buy it from amazon and then you have their generous support and return policy. plus no shipping costs etc...

Sorry you had a bad experience.

Sean
post #250 of 543
The PCH A210 and C200 both have better chip sets than the WD's do-8643 vs 8654-there's no way it's going to stutter with a bd iso-like the others say-you've got a network problem. Why don't you try playing an iso from an internal hdd?
post #251 of 543
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Originally Posted by VangornX View Post

Do not buy any Popcorn boxes if you want to stream 1080p! I purchased one recently to replace my WDTV Live which worked perfectly. Popcorn Box is advertised as a capable 1080p streamer but stutters EXCESSIVELY. The hardware simply can't keep up. Even if i got a DOA unit, after returning the item I was charged a 15% restocking fee on top of the shipping (which is to be expected) totaling $25 both ways despite following all troubleshooting. Popbox refuses to acknowledge it is their fault (I simply unplugged the WDTV and put the Popcorn in it's place, nothing changed). I am now out $40 with no player due to their poor support. I cannot recommend this product based on my experiences and customer support.

It streams 1080p just fine. Perhaps the network client setup was messed up. Network stuff is tricky. You could first set things up in a simple network setting in order to rule out various factors.

The WDTV line is nice, but I don't think it really is in the same category as the A210 or C200 for streaming 1080p content at any quality level.

Philip
post #252 of 543
Anyone having any luck with the latest NON-CSI oversights? The current stable beta seems to have issue with XBMC NFO files...

Gotta say that I am really liking the Flash based YAMJ eversion skin once I swapped back to the PCH player versus the new player eversion is creating.
Speed is great. Features are great. Its great to be able to get basic info without having to push down into each movie.

Biggest problem is that if you are power YAMJ user you have to be careful as its easy to change commong settings in YAMJ and fubar eversion.



Gotta also say I finally installed the iSkin for YAMJ too and it works great with both the ipad and iphone. Very Slick....

http://yamj.acryan.com/iSkin

Sean
post #253 of 543
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

Anyone having any luck with the latest NON-CSI oversights? The current stable beta seems to have issue with XBMC NFO files...

Gotta say that I am really liking the Flash based YAMJ eversion skin once I swapped back to the PCH player versus the new player eversion is creating.
Speed is great. Features are great. Its great to be able to get basic info without having to push down into each movie.

Biggest problem is that if you are power YAMJ user you have to be careful as its easy to change commong settings in YAMJ and fubar eversion.



Gotta also say I finally installed the iSkin for YAMJ too and it works great with both the ipad and iphone. Very Slick....

http://yamj.acryan.com/iSkin

Sean

There is a new version of Eversion out which is even better

check it out
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/sh....php?tid=52870
post #254 of 543
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Originally Posted by pmcd View Post


It streams 1080p just fine. Perhaps the network client setup was messed up. Network stuff is tricky. You could first set things up in a simple network setting in order to rule out various factors.

The WDTV line is nice, but I don't think it really is in the same category as the A210 or C200 for streaming 1080p content at any quality level.

Philip

EDIT: After complaining again about the restocking fee Popcorn support did indeed find that is was a DOA after more testing. Glad to see it wasn't a problem on my end, though the run around they gave me was more trouble then it's worth. Also, my new Boxee Box performs wonderfully!
post #255 of 543
It's right on their web site -

"Opened box returns for refund are subject to 15% restocking fee. "
post #256 of 543
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Originally Posted by tommyboy1970 View Post

There is a new version of Eversion out which is even better

check it out
http://www.networkedmediatank.com/sh....php?tid=52870

Sweet hadn't checked in a few weeks... will load that up today....

Sean
post #257 of 543
Hey all,

Does anyone have a tried and true recipe for Handbrake MKV files that work nicely with the C200?

I read a thread (a long time ago) and used the recipe and on most movies it works ok. It is basically just choose high profile, then MKV container and set the constant quality at RF:22. In Audio I also add a 3rd track for DTS Passthru.

Here would be the media info for Beauty and the Beast, I don't want to litter the thread with it. This movie visually drops frames per second down to about 15fps constantly. What I need to do is pause it for a couple seconds and then hit play again. That or stop the movie and select it again (it picks up where it left off) and it plays fine for a while. Eventually it will start bogging down to (what I loosely estimate) to be around 15fps, very boggy. Audio never studders, it's just the video, and it never pauses to buffer or anything, just continues bogging until I pause/play it.

Some movies play fine the whole time, but all I really use this unit for is my kids movies and it's all Pixar stuff, and that's where most of the issues come from.

For the record it bogs equally being fed off an internal 1TB ext3/nmt 7200.12 drive as well as an external WD USB 1.5TB drive.

However..

The MKV is typically 3-6GB for a full blu-ray movie. The ISO that I make the MKV from is an AnyDVD HD rip that sits around 40GB-55GB. The ISO plays perfectly fine and never studders. It's clearly a MKV encoding issue. If it can play a 55GB file flawlessly, certainly can't be a hardware issue playing a 3GB MKV.

Any tips on a good MKV recipe with Handbrake (or any other software aside MakeMKV) are appreciated!
post #258 of 543
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Originally Posted by omii View Post

Hey all,

Does anyone have a tried and true recipe for Handbrake MKV files that work nicely with the C200?

I read a thread (a long time ago) and used the recipe and on most movies it works ok. It is basically just choose high profile, then MKV container and set the constant quality at RF:22. In Audio I also add a 3rd track for DTS Passthru.

Here would be the media info for Beauty and the Beast, I don't want to litter the thread with it. This movie visually drops frames per second down to about 15fps constantly. What I need to do is pause it for a couple seconds and then hit play again. That or stop the movie and select it again (it picks up where it left off) and it plays fine for a while. Eventually it will start bogging down to (what I loosely estimate) to be around 15fps, very boggy. Audio never studders, it's just the video, and it never pauses to buffer or anything, just continues bogging until I pause/play it.

Some movies play fine the whole time, but all I really use this unit for is my kids movies and it's all Pixar stuff, and that's where most of the issues come from.

For the record it bogs equally being fed off an internal 1TB ext3/nmt 7200.12 drive as well as an external WD USB 1.5TB drive.

However..

The MKV is typically 3-6GB for a full blu-ray movie. The ISO that I make the MKV from is an AnyDVD HD rip that sits around 40GB-55GB. The ISO plays perfectly fine and never studders. It's clearly a MKV encoding issue. If it can play a 55GB file flawlessly, certainly can't be a hardware issue playing a 3GB MKV.

Any tips on a good MKV recipe with Handbrake (or any other software aside MakeMKV) are appreciated!

For my BluRays I have always use Ripbot264. Choose 4.0 profile, set CQ = 20. If you are looking for HD Audio pass thru though I think there may be limitations (although one could argue why if you are willing to encode the video why would you then keep the HD audio track).

Another option is BluRip.

Keep in mind neither of these options decrypt the disk.
post #259 of 543
I think it just may be me bumping the quality to 22 as the article said. I'm going to try degrading it back down to 20 (which is high profiles default) and see if it goes away.

I keep the HD audio because I'm an audiophile and have a decent surround setup. I figured the less compression on the audio the less the system would need to do to feed it also. You can clearly see the AC3 is a lot smaller on track 2 although it's a 6.1 feed. I could of course be wrong but all 3 audio tracks make no difference, the video bogs equally.

It's a bummer I didn't notice it until I've spent like 3 weeks of computer time crunching each pixar/dreamworks cartoon at almost 5 hours a pop just to find out the recipe was wrong.. Oy vey.

Thanks for the tips on other sofware.

If anyone else sees anything wrong in that metadata or something I should tweak in Handbrake I'd love to know. Thanks!

edit:

Just mentioning I'm trying to look for something free because I already purchased AnyDVD HD so I use that to rip an unprotected ISO to one of my HDs before I ever handbrake it. So any software is fine, it's already unprotected. I noticed if I rip straight from BDROM to HD using Handbrake without ripping with AnyDVD first it takes almost twice as long, no idea why. So I keep a clean unprotected 50GBish ISO and mount that via slysoft virtual drive and then rip that with Handbrake.

I looked at BluRip and Ripbot264 and I don't see really any difference. They seem to all require the same libraries. So this just seems like a issue of setting up handbrake properly.
post #260 of 543
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Originally Posted by omii View Post

Hey all,

Does anyone have a tried and true recipe for Handbrake MKV files that work nicely with the C200?

I read a thread (a long time ago) and used the recipe and on most movies it works ok. It is basically just choose high profile, then MKV container and set the constant quality at RF:22. In Audio I also add a 3rd track for DTS Passthru.

Here would be the media info for Beauty and the Beast, I don't want to litter the thread with it. This movie visually drops frames per second down to about 15fps constantly. What I need to do is pause it for a couple seconds and then hit play again. That or stop the movie and select it again (it picks up where it left off) and it plays fine for a while. Eventually it will start bogging down to (what I loosely estimate) to be around 15fps, very boggy. Audio never studders, it's just the video, and it never pauses to buffer or anything, just continues bogging until I pause/play it.

Some movies play fine the whole time, but all I really use this unit for is my kids movies and it's all Pixar stuff, and that's where most of the issues come from.

For the record it bogs equally being fed off an internal 1TB ext3/nmt 7200.12 drive as well as an external WD USB 1.5TB drive.

However..

The MKV is typically 3-6GB for a full blu-ray movie. The ISO that I make the MKV from is an AnyDVD HD rip that sits around 40GB-55GB. The ISO plays perfectly fine and never studders. It's clearly a MKV encoding issue. If it can play a 55GB file flawlessly, certainly can't be a hardware issue playing a 3GB MKV.

Any tips on a good MKV recipe with Handbrake (or any other software aside MakeMKV) are appreciated!

WHy re-compress at all..... the C-200 will play the full bit rate files just fine.... guess your trying to save space. can't help there....

Sean
post #261 of 543
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Originally Posted by sean_w_smith View Post

WHy re-compress at all..... the C-200 will play the full bit rate files just fine.... guess your trying to save space. can't help there....

Sean

Yes my son is 3 and he doesn't care if it's a DVD, blu-ray or anything else. He just loves to watch his movies repeatedly. He has about 200 movies overall so if he doesn't care about quality and I have the blu-ray/dvd backups anyhow, might as well save space and compress them down. You can hardly beat 3GB versus 40GB when he can't tell the difference between either one anyhow.
post #262 of 543
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by omii View Post

I think it just may be me bumping the quality to 22 as the article said. I'm going to try degrading it back down to 20 (which is high profiles default) and see if it goes away.

I keep the HD audio because I'm an audiophile and have a decent surround setup. I figured the less compression on the audio the less the system would need to do to feed it also. You can clearly see the AC3 is a lot smaller on track 2 although it's a 6.1 feed. I could of course be wrong but all 3 audio tracks make no difference, the video bogs equally.

It's a bummer I didn't notice it until I've spent like 3 weeks of computer time crunching each pixar/dreamworks cartoon at almost 5 hours a pop just to find out the recipe was wrong.. Oy vey.

Thanks for the tips on other sofware.

If anyone else sees anything wrong in that metadata or something I should tweak in Handbrake I'd love to know. Thanks!

edit:

Just mentioning I'm trying to look for something free because I already purchased AnyDVD HD so I use that to rip an unprotected ISO to one of my HDs before I ever handbrake it. So any software is fine, it's already unprotected. I noticed if I rip straight from BDROM to HD using Handbrake without ripping with AnyDVD first it takes almost twice as long, no idea why. So I keep a clean unprotected 50GBish ISO and mount that via slysoft virtual drive and then rip that with Handbrake.

I looked at BluRip and Ripbot264 and I don't see really any difference. They seem to all require the same libraries. So this just seems like a issue of setting up handbrake properly.

20 is actually better quality then 22 (so you are not degrading but instead improving). 18 is considered "optimal"

I use Handbrake to encode all my sons movies to m4v. This gives maybe about a 1GB file, looks great on the big tv but is also portable for the iPxx/Android.

All my movies I keep them lossless as I want full PQ/AQ (after all, what is the point of buying BluRays if you are just going to compress them)

The difference in quality between RipBot, BluRip, and Handbrake are most likely in the profiles set up. Also, keep in mind for Handbrake if you are encoding interlaced content you may get PQ issues (I usually choose detelecine/Decomb in the Video Filters to correct this)
post #263 of 543
I did wonder why dragging the quality bar to the right decreased the number. I encoded a couple movies to 20 and 21 and in viewing them on a PC monitor I noticed a bit more blocking on the movie encoded to 20 than to 22, 21 looked best. I only did one quick chapter as a test run. I'm sure there's a reason.

I do enjoy chapters and multiple audio streams which is the only reason I go MKV.


So which direction would make more sense. Would I have a better chance at better playback with a file that's smaller but more compressed, or larger and less compressed? I take it would come down to understanding the hardware decoder and I'm not sure which is better.
post #264 of 543
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by omii View Post

I did wonder why dragging the quality bar to the right decreased the number. I encoded a couple movies to 20 and 21 and in viewing them on a PC monitor I noticed a bit more blocking on the movie encoded to 20 than to 22, 21 looked best. I only did one quick chapter as a test run. I'm sure there's a reason.

I do enjoy chapters and multiple audio streams which is the only reason I go MKV.


So which direction would make more sense. Would I have a better chance at better playback with a file that's smaller but more compressed, or larger and less compressed? I take it would come down to understanding the hardware decoder and I'm not sure which is better.

The more compressed a file the lower the bitrate (so if you have networking issues or are trying to stream wirelessly this would be a better option). Otherwise I am a fan of doing the minimal, if any, amount of compression. You just need to figure out what works best for your setup
post #265 of 543
I am trying to make sense of the variations on the PopCorn Hour.

What is the PopBox? Is this a newer/cheaper take.. which variant has the best chipset? I also notice availability seems to be something of a problem.
post #266 of 543
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gtgray View Post

I am trying to make sense of the variations on the PopCorn Hour.

What is the PopBox? Is this a newer/cheaper take.. which variant has the best chipset? I also notice availability seems to be something of a problem.

All the same chipset.

PCH C200 - more expensive, room for internal BD Rom or 2 internal HDDs, good fit for an AV rack, LCD screen, RF Remote, Open Ecosystem

PCH A200/210 - about $100+ less then C200, room for one internal drive, no lcd screen, IR Remote, Open Ecosystem

Popbox - cheapest of the bunch, locked down Ecosystem, IR remote, no internal drive

All 3 boxes have an internal jukebox but many prefer to use a 3rd party jukebox (such as YAMJ). Firmware for the Popbox is handled by a different group then the C200/A200, and it is unclear the exact commitment of Syabas to the Popbox due to the flop at launch
post #267 of 543
I thank you for this response too. I have tried to find answers to the following questions on Wiki without success, perhaps you can help?

I have the A200 which works fine for me EXCEPT handling more than 2 external (usb) drives. I have 1 1.5T Seagate, 1 1T WD & 1 1.5T WD, all powered. Any two attached work fine, but when I attach a third, the PCH spins for awhile but then tells me it cannot process (or something similar). I have tried 3 different powered usb hubs but get the same results. Any thoughts on why this might be occuring?
Which leads to my second question, would purchasing/upgrading to the C200 offer be any better chance for success?

Again, I have tried researching forums on Wiki & cannot find answers. Perhaps the answers are there, but I haven't uncovered them. Any help here would be most welcomed.
post #268 of 543
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Carl Jones View Post

I thank you for this response too. I have tried to find answers to the following questions on Wiki without success, perhaps you can help?

I have the A200 which works fine for me EXCEPT handling more than 2 external (usb) drives. I have 1 1.5T Seagate, 1 1T WD & 1 1.5T WD, all powered. Any two attached work fine, but when I attach a third, the PCH spins for awhile but then tells me it cannot process (or something similar). I have tried 3 different powered usb hubs but get the same results. Any thoughts on why this might be occuring?
Which leads to my second question, would purchasing/upgrading to the C200 offer be any better chance for success?

Again, I have tried researching forums on Wiki & cannot find answers. Perhaps the answers are there, but I haven't uncovered them. Any help here would be most welcomed.

I believe others have attached more then 2 external drives so I believe the A200 should handle. However tbh I have never used an external drive, both my A200 and C200 have an internal drive. Hopefully someone else who uses external drives can chime in.
post #269 of 543
Wow! Thanks for such a quick reply! Hopefully someone can offer thoughts on why I'm having difficulty with this issue. I KNOW others are using many external drives without issue. I just cannot figure out why I'm unable to do so.
But to expand on my second question, are there any advantages to the C200 vs. the A200 other than more room for internal drives? I guess what I'm asking, is the C200 more robust/more "user friendly" than the A200?
post #270 of 543
On my C-200 I have used as many as 4 usb drives. I have seen reports of as many as 16 being used.
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