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post #1921 of 2241
That is what I figured, just wanted to make sure I wasn't going crazy smile.gif

Bill
post #1922 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Yes, it will... I do it all the time... Note, though, that it's only HDMI passthrough. TosLink or S/PDIF won't do it because the bandwidth isn't high enough.
The SMP is even badged with the TrueHD Logo (http://www.wdc.com/wdproducts/library/AAG/ENG/4178-705254.pdf) so I'm not sure why GusGus is so insistent to the contrary... Don't guess he's ever tried. smile.gif
If I recall, *ALL* WD HDMI devices have "allowed" Dolby True HD passthrough; but it's only *officially* supported (and documented with badging) in the SMP and Elements Play G2. Though the other products aren't badged for Dolby True HD, it DOES WORK.
This includes:
WDTV HD (Gen 1 & 2)
WDTV Elements Play (Gen 1 & 2)
WDTV Live
WDTV Live+
WDTV Live Hub
WDTV Live SMP

Is not that I am persistent. Is just that everyone else that I know who owns one have told me HD sound isn't supported. I'll get my parents WDTV2, and I'll try testing it out to try to confirm. If it does that's awesome.
post #1923 of 2241
I'll will stop and grab a WD Hub on my way home and try it out as well.

Edit: Grabbed a Hub on my way home and it does in fact passthrough TrueHD, its even listed in the options:
2012-06-11_18-09-41_56.jpg 679k .jpg file

The irony of it all this is that the WDTV does TrueHD but not DTS-MA and my BD75 will play DTS-MA but not TrueHD (it stutters for some reason, network only, discs are perfectly fine), that was the entire reason I purchased the Micca 950.

Bill
Edited by mrfattbill - 6/11/12 at 3:28pm
post #1924 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Yes, it will... I do it all the time... Note, though, that it's only HDMI passthrough. TosLink or S/PDIF won't do it because the bandwidth isn't high enough.
Sorry to be a pedant, but...
There actually is plenty of bandwidth available in the TOSLINK S/PDIF spec, it simply isn't (nor likely to ever be) implemented in a way that actually handles it. Its probably suffice to say you 'can't do it' then to explain it as bandwidth, when that's only half true. TOSLINK (fibre optic) theoretically can handle 125mbps at 24bit. Even the original could handle 3.1mbps so yes, it can technically handle HD audio. Its the equipment on each end that has never been designed to handle the bandwidth potential.
Just thought I'd share this incredibly unimportant, trivial and off-topic fact with everyone.tongue.gif
post #1925 of 2241
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Originally Posted by bigbrain28 View Post

Sorry to be a pedant, but...[snip]....Just thought I'd share this incredibly unimportant, trivial and off-topic fact with everyone.tongue.gif

To quote Bill the Cat: "Thpptpptppt!"

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post #1926 of 2241
Just added one of these units to my home theater a couple of days ago, with the intention of moving it to a guest room when it's been set up and tested. It's connecting with no problems to my file server, and playing everything I've tried so far. Still learning the ropes on the Hub's Media LIbrary and metadata management. I've been a happy 7MC/MediaBrowser user for quite a while, and will continue to be in the main theater -- so I don't want my existing metadata tampered with! It sure would be nice if the Hub could use what's already there. smile.gif

I've read most of this thread, and just have one major question that could impact its usage in a guest room, where grandkids and not-so-savvy users might have their hands on it: I can't see any way to prevent users from "accidentally" deleting media. Surely there must be some kind of permissions management that would prevent this? I have a SageTV HD Player in the master bedroom, and there's a global setting that keeps the "delete" menu choice from even appearing. Isn't there anything like this on the Hub? Or any workaround I can set up on a server level? And yes, I do have daily backups to an HP MediaServer, but if I don't know something's been deleted, I can't very well restore it.

All in all, I'm enjoying the Hub's output quality, and the handling of subtitle and additional audio tracks. Maybe it will wind up in the Master bedroom after all. biggrin.gif
post #1927 of 2241
I really thought this would be the answer to my desire for a dedicated mainly music player.

So far I am disappointed in the interface and that my unit will not play WMA Lossless. I asked about this way earlier in the thread, and never got an answer. I just assumed (my bad) that with all the bragging about playing everything that was thrown at it....it would handle it.

I started this with journey about 3 years ago with WMC on a Windows 7 Dell Zino. I really like the layout of WMC. It is a little slow at times, and sometimes is a pain, but it is PRETTY to me, gives album art navigation (doesn't look like simple file structure), has pretty good integration with pictures and music.....my big problem was HDMI handshake issues with leaving the PC on all the time. The only way to get decent results was to reboot every time....not a good option for me. Tried moving the PC to another room, and using Xbox360 as Media Extender. It works pretty good, but I was still looking for something with native WMA Lossless support, not having to rely on WMP11 to transcode to PCM. Yeah I know I could re-rip, but so far I haven't found another lossless format that works for me. .flac looks good, but I can't seem to get the tagging right.

So after I get the WDTVLiveHub hooked up, I am really let down by the interface compared to WMC. Perhaps I am missing something. I have kicked around re ripping my music library with something else, but if I have to used a file based navigation system......I have many options already.....looking for something similiar to WMC.

So what do you think, is this going back, or can I make it what I want??
post #1928 of 2241
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Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

I really thought this would be the answer to my desire for a dedicated mainly music player.
So far I am disappointed in the interface and that my unit will not play WMA Lossless. I asked about this way earlier in the thread, and never got an answer. I just assumed (my bad) that with all the bragging about playing everything that was thrown at it....it would handle it.
I started this with journey about 3 years ago with WMC on a Windows 7 Dell Zino. I really like the layout of WMC. It is a little slow at times, and sometimes is a pain, but it is PRETTY to me, gives album art navigation (doesn't look like simple file structure), has pretty good integration with pictures and music.....my big problem was HDMI handshake issues with leaving the PC on all the time. The only way to get decent results was to reboot every time....not a good option for me. Tried moving the PC to another room, and using Xbox360 as Media Extender. It works pretty good, but I was still looking for something with native WMA Lossless support, not having to rely on WMP11 to transcode to PCM. Yeah I know I could re-rip, but so far I haven't found another lossless format that works for me. .flac looks good, but I can't seem to get the tagging right.
So after I get the WDTVLiveHub hooked up, I am really let down by the interface compared to WMC. Perhaps I am missing something. I have kicked around re ripping my music library with something else, but if I have to used a file based navigation system......I have many options already.....looking for something similiar to WMC.
So what do you think, is this going back, or can I make it what I want??

WMC is pretty much dead. There will no more support for it. If you are looking for a music jukebox look alike I know that Mede8er created one for their media players. You can read about it on this review done by Damian / dbon1026.
http://www.mediasmartserver.net/2012/04/09/review-mede8er-med500x2/
post #1929 of 2241
I understand there will be no more support for current generation of WMC. What I hear is that it will be an add-on for Windows 8, so I wouldn't call it dead.

But anyway, what support do you need for it in it's current form? Other than minor quirks, it is the best looking and most intuitive music jukebox type software I have seen. Is there something else out there other than the big names?

I will check out the link posted............
post #1930 of 2241
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Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

I understand there will be no more support for current generation of WMC. What I hear is that it will be an add-on for Windows 8, so I wouldn't call it dead.

The add-on for Windows 8, which you will have to pay for is the Windows 7 version of WMC. So as far future development of WMC, yes it is dead. You will also have to pay for Window 8 Pro, you have no option of buying it on Window 8.
post #1931 of 2241
Ok....let's skip the talk of WMC on Windows8. I don't have W8, nor do I plan on purchasing it.

IMHO, the WD TV LiveHub is probably great for people with tons of video or all kinds. It is unacceptable compared to WMC for a media jukebox. I loaded it up with MP3s today since it won't play WMA L.L.. Every single file is tagged with album art that shows up in iTunes, WMP & WMC. Only about 3/4 of the files on the LH have album art. It will not find album art when I sent it out to look for them.

People can say what they want about WMC, but for a MUSIC experience closest to actually playing your CDs, it can't be beat.

I have read the guide, played with the settings, browsed this thread......if there is something I missing please let me know.....right now it looks like every other DLNA device with the addition of a pretty background.

Anyone want a good deal on a LiveHub?
post #1932 of 2241
I would agree that the Hub is not as nice as WMC but it isn't strictly a file-based browser. If you hit the green button, you can filter by album and get an album view, albeit with album cover and text that is not as pretty as WMC.

I pulled all of my files from my iTunes library and had no issue with album art - it all showed up fine for me. Most of my music is CD rips which I added the album art myself in iTunes.
post #1933 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Pagali View Post

I've read most of this thread, and just have one major question that could impact its usage in a guest room, where grandkids and not-so-savvy users might have their hands on it: I can't see any way to prevent users from "accidentally" deleting media. Surely there must be some kind of permissions management that would prevent this? I have a SageTV HD Player in the master bedroom, and there's a global setting that keeps the "delete" menu choice from even appearing. Isn't there anything like this on the Hub? Or any workaround I can set up on a server level? And yes, I do have daily backups to an HP MediaServer, but if I don't know something's been deleted, I can't very well restore it.

No replies, so Is it safe to assume nobody has a solution for this problem? Does the WDTV always need Write permissions to network shares, or just when it's saving metadata?
post #1934 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Pagali View Post

No replies, so Is it safe to assume nobody has a solution for this problem? Does the WDTV always need Write permissions to network shares, or just when it's saving metadata?

It's just for metadata. You could setup a username and password and only give it "read" permissions.

Bill
post #1935 of 2241
It's not just for metadata. Without WRITE access, the WD can't aggregate the media library.

So if switching "shares" or servers as needed to find your media is OK with you, then what mrfatbill proposes is a good workaround.

If I recall, there are folks that have customized the theme to remove all menu options that could allow file removal / movement / copies, etc.... but you'd have to search over at the WD Community to find that.
post #1936 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

It's not just for metadata. Without WRITE access, the WD can't aggregate the media library.
So if switching "shares" or servers as needed to find your media is OK with you, then what mrfatbill proposes is a good workaround.
If I recall, there are folks that have customized the theme to remove all menu options that could allow file removal / movement / copies, etc.... but you'd have to search over at the WD Community to find that.

Didn't even think of the Media Library part since I use TVersity on the PC and a thumbdrive plugged into each WDTV I have.

Bill
post #1937 of 2241
Thanks guys! A couple of helpful suggestions there, which I will pursue. smile.gif

So... with the TVersity or similar media servers, they run on the file server,and manage the media files and metadata from there? Then when connecting, you just choose 'Media Server' instead of 'Media Library' or 'Network Shares' ?? Do I have that right? Actually, that's the way the Sage HD Player works too... Sage server runs on the file server PC, extender connects from wherever. Is TVersity the best?

I'll also check out the customized themes.
post #1938 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

If I recall, there are folks that have customized the theme to remove all menu options that could allow file removal / movement / copies, etc.... but you'd have to search over at the WD Community to find that.

I've searched and searched in the Hub-->Themes section of that forum with no luck. Any chance you recall the name of the theme, or anything else about it? smile.gif
post #1939 of 2241
Don't know that anyone ever "published" a theme to do it; I just remember seeing people saying that they had done that.
post #1940 of 2241
Since it can be difficult to wade through a long thread like this, I was hoping for some "highlights" about this box.

  1. How is the "movie wall" that's built in? Does it compare at all to the Boxee Box? Better, worse?
  2. Does it have built-in wireless at this point? I'm unsure exactly what versions are currently out there of this box.
  3. Of course it has Netflix, but does it have Hulu Plus?
  4. How much should I expect to pay for this unit today, if I don't care about having a hard drive in it?
post #1941 of 2241
1- That's a matter of opinion. IMHO, the entire Boxee Box UI is ugly, but fast. WD is attractive but slower.
2- No.
3- Yes.
4- $150 or less. You can't opt for a Hub without an HD, but you could choose the WDTV Live SMP which is Hub-Like but without the HD.
post #1942 of 2241
Has anyone used the Slingbox feature?

I've had my slingbox for about 6 months. I use it a couple times a week to watch TV on my android tablet or on a PC that is away from the living room. Never had a problem with 100's of hours of viewing.

I've used the Slingbox 4 times on the WD hub. twice, the picture froze while the sound continued. Once i had to reboot the WDTV and the other time I was able to hit the home button and get out of the Slingbox app.

The navigation isn't perfect, but that's understandable since it's just one application on the WD and has to work with all devices and can't customize the remote control like it does on a PC or the tablet.

All in all, great to have it, wish it worked better.
post #1943 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

1- That's a matter of opinion. IMHO, the entire Boxee Box UI is ugly, but fast. WD is attractive but slower.
2- No.
3- Yes.
4- $150 or less. You can't opt for a Hub without an HD, but you could choose the WDTV Live SMP which is Hub-Like but without the HD.

The real key for me is a decent movie wall. I want a secondary unit that, like my Boxee Box, allows my wife and kids to easily find what they want to watch and play it on their own. I also don't want said movie wall to require a lot of upkeep and maintenance. Does this WDTV Live SMP have a built-in movie wall?
post #1944 of 2241
Yes, it has a "Gallery" view. This view has 7 thumbnails across the bottom, and the presently highlighted video is shown with a larger thumbnail and with an even larger one on the left side of the screen, plus details about the movie (synopsis, directors, actors, etc.) in text.
post #1945 of 2241
Hi guys, trying to find some answers regarding the wd tv live 3gen.

I usually buy this kind of stuff on trips to the US, but I am currently visiting Switzerland (and no US trips in sight), and they have very similar prices for electronics here and so I wanted to get one.

What's holding me back is that I know they don't have netflix here, and it's not even shown on the box, so I wanted to know if there is any internal/hardware difference that would make netflix not work once I take it back to my country where we do have it.

Would a firmware upgrade install all the apps (netflix included) or would it check the hardware to know the model number and not install thise not meant for that market?

I have seen mentions of geolocalizaton also but don't understand how that kicks in since you can update from usb drive (unless it's just checking the region based on the hardware model)

So how exactly does it work?
post #1946 of 2241
I am several versions behind in Firware for the WD Live Hub. I would like to update to the latest version. Should updates be applied incrementally or can I just apply the most recent update and be done? I ask this question because I have two boxes and both are on the old version because it is stable in my environment. I have tried to update the boxes but alway have stability errors with the newer version. So I roll them back to the stable firmware. It occured to me that because I am about 5 versions behind, could something funny be occuring when installing the newest update without first updating to a "in-between" version.
post #1947 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Pagali View Post

No replies, so Is it safe to assume nobody has a solution for this problem? Does the WDTV always need Write permissions to network shares, or just when it's saving metadata?

Change the view so that they don't see the options to do this, it wont show in list viiew. . The box is much faster when it doesn't have to render the thumbnail for each video. You can't make the network share read only since the WDTV folder must be written down on the shared drive. Go to the WD Forums and put it in for a feature request, if enough people vote, maybe they'll split the profiles so that you can have a single profile that is read only and a compiling media profile that is not.
post #1948 of 2241
If you are so many versions behind, and you find instability after installing, I would install the latest one (and if I found it unstable) then reset the box fully to the defaults erasing the sign in tokens and the media library.
post #1949 of 2241
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Originally Posted by sbsidlov View Post

If you are so many versions behind, and you find instability after installing, I would install the latest one (and if I found it unstable) then reset the box fully to the defaults erasing the sign in tokens and the media library.

The instability I have encournterd occurs when playing a video file, in this case an uncompressed 1080p BluRay rip in MKV format. They play fine on my boxes under the older version but whenever I have upgraded to a newer firmware the videos all freeze after approx 30 seconds from when they start. Then the box locks up and I have to do a restart. I can stream fine under older version and on laptops and other workstations on my network just fine.

I will try your recommendation of updating firmware and then seeing if it works and if not, reset to defaults and clear everything out. I will post my findings.
post #1950 of 2241
A lot of firmware work has been done to improve networked (intra) streaming of movies. While I don't have any 20-30GB sized ones, I do have some 8-15gb 1920x DTS or FLAC audio and they play fine on my WDLIve gen 3 via network shares, now when they showed similar issues as yours in the past. .
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