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post #2131 of 2241
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

I'd rather deal with the stuttering issues than not being able to connect to my NAS. Does 3.09.xx fix the NAS issues?
S S So yo Yo You wo wou would Rather deal with s stutt stuttering than connect to your N N NAS?
That would drive me bat crap..
post #2132 of 2241
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Originally Posted by comicguy View Post

S S So yo Yo You wo wou would Rather deal with s stutt stuttering than connect to your N N NAS?
That would drive me bat crap..
Well if I can't connect to the NAS, I have nothing to watch anyway, so that would render the device useless. The stuttering only happens at random points and sometimes fixes itself a second or two later, and other times requires me to stop and restart.

I'm just curious to know if I should go back to 09 or if there is another option while staying on 10?
post #2133 of 2241
Was hoping someone could help.

I just purchased a 2tb Wdtv Hub...as i saw a couple of posts ago someone confirmed you can download directly into it's internal hard drive and play.

Well its about 2 weeks old if that...and i finally got around to doing this...and it will stop playing about 14 minutes into either of the two mkv files. Then if I restart it will just do it again...now if i select skip to another time frame it will play from there and then shortly stop the movie again later.
It does this without an error message. (this was copied into from computer to \\wdtvlive\root then when finished downloaded copied from there to \\wdtvlive\NewMovs)

It has played all mkv files just fine when they were accessed through the network from the computers shared drive previous to this.

My router is an older Linksys 54g which has worked well with my prev non hub Wdtv.

A little disappointed but hoping to work it out somehow.

Can anyone else confirm downloading directly to it? and being able to play just fine? now keep in mind what I did was copy to root then once download complete move the file to subfolder NewMovs. So im playing from there and not the Root. It really shouldt make a diff tho.

I am on the latest and greatest fw does anyone have a link to rolling it back ? I saw a post about new fw curing NAS device logins but I dont have a NAS so i'd try the older one.

I am currently now copying from the computer via the network known to be good working movies into the same subfolder...to see if they play just fine.

Which if so ...would leave me to believe that it simply does not like movies being downloaded directly to it...or my router is banging up the data packets when it does so....but i am not really leaning in that direction.
post #2134 of 2241
To be quite honest with you I have not downloaded to my WD drive in sometime. Having said that I was unaware that you could download directly to the hard drive.
I always downloaded to a my computer or hard drive or memory stick then a transfer to the WD drive.

When the wd drive is on your network you can set up files that you can access and move them back and forth.

I would suggest that if you saw this somewhere that you could download directly contact the author of the post and get some clarification.

Make certain that you have the latest updates.

If this is a new unit WD give you free customer support for three months I believe,,,,,,,,,,, so you could contact them for clarification

MKV files is a Russian filing system and there be some nuances that could cause some problems.

Have you downloaded other files directly that are not MKV that have worked ?
post #2135 of 2241
FeliCumbe: Try copying the file off the drive onto another media that normally plays fine. If the files still don't work, you know they're bad downloads.

Then, try copying the file from the network to another disk and try playing those. See if they work.

If they do, then it's somehow getting corrupted when copying to the Hub.
post #2136 of 2241
In reference to the Black Mamba theme...
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Originally Posted by DeadEd View Post

I tried that theme. It's very cool (made them with ThumbGen). However even only a few sheets makes it lag when paging through the library (I have about 350 movies). Let me know if you find a theme that you can use moviesheets with that does not lag.

I know that this post was a several months ago but since you asked to know when someone found a theme that does not lag, figured it was still worth answering.

I have been using "Good Bye Black Mamba" since it was released in December. I have close to 2000 movies and 1000 TV episodes, and it brings up the sheets almost instantaneously. My media is on another computer being shared via Windows SMB. I am using linksheets in the theme's root. Dynamic sheets using XML is much slower. Since the sheets are on the HUB itself (not the computer that has the media or the cover thumbnails), I am seeing no lag as I have increased the volume of sheets, and moving from one movie cover to the next in Gallery view, the backdrops come up in less than one second. I generated all the sheets using Thumbgen and the GBBM templates that came with the theme. I do not use the media library which seems to do nothing but cause issues.

I have tried pretty much every theme I could find for the HUB since the products release, and have found GBBM to be my favorite by far for both the UI and functionality. I highly recommend trying it out. It does take a bit to get down the linksheet part (renaming the sheets extensions to the same as the video etc) but is well worth it. Below is a screenshot of some movies in my "Superhero" genre directory so you can get a feel for the layout.

BTW: First post here. Great site, I have read a lot of interesting stuff in the two days I have been lurking.

-MPearl

post #2137 of 2241
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Originally Posted by James T View Post

To be quite honest with you I have not downloaded to my WD drive in sometime. Having said that I was unaware that you could download directly to the hard drive.
I always downloaded to a my computer or hard drive or memory stick then a transfer to the WD drive.

When the wd drive is on your network you can set up files that you can access and move them back and forth.

I would suggest that if you saw this somewhere that you could download directly contact the author of the post and get some clarification.

Make certain that you have the latest updates.

If this is a new unit WD give you free customer support for three months I believe,,,,,,,,,,, so you could contact them for clarification

MKV files is a Russian filing system and there be some nuances that could cause some problems.

Have you downloaded other files directly that are not MKV that have worked ?

A download can be set to go directly to the wdtv internal HD but it seems that maybe if you have more than one download going on at a time and depending on your router it may corrupt the files.
I set downloads to occur to a computers file first recently and then for it to copy out to the WDTV HD AFTER its completely downloaded and am testing how that results instead.

MKV files are one of the best movie files to ever have debut since sliced movie files.
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

FeliCumbe: Try copying the file off the drive onto another media that normally plays fine. If the files still don't work, you know they're bad downloads.

Then, try copying the file from the network to another disk and try playing those. See if they work.

If they do, then it's somehow getting corrupted when copying to the Hub.


I am currently testing with download being completed onto the computer Hard drive directly instead and then transferred out to WDTV HD. Which is essentially the same as copying any movie files into your wdtv hd. So I expect this to work just fine. I am now starting to suspect something is going wrong either with my router not LIKING for downloads to all be passed through it to the external wdtv hd 4-5 at a time or just basically my router is not doing so good or wdtv hd is somehow curropting direct downloads to it.

I have previously tested just copying a movie into it. And they worked fine...so I really dont see any reasons why a newly completed download then copied into the WDTV hd should give a problem.

What I have noted tho as an additional problem I guess is that I slaved an external 1tb hard drive to it where I keep a solid collection of films...and it lagged on a few scenes and another time it started to have audio no longer sync'ed meaning the voices were off or late. It also took a very long time to read the external hard drive and allow me access...but i dont know for sure if maybe it does this only on the first time.

My WDTV live non hd version never had a single shred of difficulty playing any of my collection files...and it was also remarkably a lot faster at accessing my external hard drive.

I am strongly considering returning this version...buying a WDTV live plus non hub..and simply another external hard drive of brand of my choice.

******BUYERS BEWARE. I do not understand how HUB owners posted and recommended the 2tb version. This does not seem to be working out not even for playback from an ext hard drive.

If I find out different or more information Ill post it. I am still a WDTV fan as I have seen other ppl with other devices have much worst stories and complications. But IMO right off the bat this HUB version may just be one to stay away from.
post #2138 of 2241
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Originally Posted by FeliCumbe View Post

A download can be set to go directly to the wdtv internal HD but it seems that maybe if you have more than one download going on at a time and depending on your router it may corrupt the files.
I set downloads to occur to a computers file first recently and then for it to copy out to the WDTV HD AFTER its completely downloaded and am testing how that results instead.

MKV files are one of the best movie files to ever have debut since sliced movie files.
I am currently testing with download being completed onto the computer Hard drive directly instead and then transferred out to WDTV HD. Which is essentially the same as copying any movie files into your wdtv hd. So I expect this to work just fine. I am now starting to suspect something is going wrong either with my router not LIKING for downloads to all be passed through it to the external wdtv hd 4-5 at a time or just basically my router is not doing so good or wdtv hd is somehow curropting direct downloads to it.

I have previously tested just copying a movie into it. And they worked fine...so I really don't see any reasons why a newly completed download then copied into the WDTV hd should give a problem.

1) A few years ago when I started using WD devices, I was downloading live concert audios directly to my LivePlus that had 2 1TB drives attached. I later found out that a high percentage of the concerts were corrupt. The files would star to play fine , but in the middle of some songs I would get horrible distortion, or no sound and the like. Some songs would start and then go right to the end. Doing CRC checks I found many of the files were corrupt. Could never solve the issue. Had to DL to the computer that was running the DL software instead which worked fine, and then copy it to one of the drives attached the the LivePlus. For that reason when the released the Live Hub and I added one of those to my setup, I never even tried to DL directly to the drive. I have assumed it's an issue with the processor on the device and the way it handles incoming streams since the drives were external and worked without issue. Sounds like others are now having the same issue with the HUB as well.

2) +1 for MKV. A killer container for video.

3) Sad to hear about the issues with the 2TB Hubs. In general these WD Media devices have been exceptional for the $$.

-MP
post #2139 of 2241
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Originally Posted by FeliCumbe View Post

I do not understand how HUB owners posted and recommended the 2tb version. This does not seem to be working out not even for playback from an ext hard drive.

Why shouldn't they? For the majority of folks, they seem to be working fine... There's no common complaints of this on the WD forums, so perhaps you have a bad unit or something.

The 1TB and 2TB Hubs use identical firmware wise, and from what people have seen inside the boxes, the hardware is identical, too... Just different HDs...
post #2140 of 2241
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Originally Posted by WDFan1970 View Post

Why shouldn't they? For the majority of folks, they seem to be working fine... There's no common complaints of this on the WD forums, so perhaps you have a bad unit or something.

The 1TB and 2TB Hubs use identical firmware wise, and from what people have seen inside the boxes, the hardware is identical, too... Just different HDs...

Have to agree. I don't doubt the FeliCumbe is having issues and certainly seems very knowledgeable on the device, but as someone who keeps very up to date on the WD media devices, and participates in many forums on the topic, I have yet to read any complaints about the 2TB model that are not already existent on the 1TB model. I am hoping that it is a singular issue with that unit. If anyone else is seeing similar issues with the new 2TB model, I'd love to hear it.

Personally, I run a file server to house my media and provide duplication / backup, so don't actually run very much from the HD in my HUB.

-MP
post #2141 of 2241
Does anyone know of any development being done on giving the Hub the ability to program the Hauppauge video dongle?

It would make the hub and the dongle seriously useful.

Best,

-Hubbahubba
post #2142 of 2241
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Originally Posted by hubbahubba View Post

Does anyone know of any development being done on giving the Hub the ability to program the Hauppauge video dongle?

It would make the hub and the dongle seriously useful.

Best,

-Hubbahubba

Support for certain Hauppauge tuners is already available under the Live TV section on the HUB (as well as the SMP). It came at the same time as support for Slingbox. I have not used either of these with my HUB so cannot comment on the functionality or performance of them. Note that currently WD only supports 4 models and I have read that it is VERY specific to the model number:

WinTV-HVR-950Q
WINTV-NOVA-T-Stick (Model 70019)
WINTV-NOVA-T-Stick (Model 70029)
WINTV-NOVA-TD-Stick (Model 52009)


Hauppage has a dedicated page for their tuners that work with the WD Devices

http://www.hauppauge.com/wd/

Here is a link to WD's list of supported devices. You can find the compatible Hauppauge devices under the "Live TV Adapter" section

http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5688/~/list-of-compatible-devices-for-the-wd-tv-live-hub-media-center-and-wd-tv-live

Good Luck

-MP
post #2143 of 2241
MP,

Thank you for your quick response.

I already have a Hauppauge dongle attached to my Hub, and it is working just fine... with the exception that there is no way to program or schedule a recording.

The ability to program or schedule a recording would really give this thing legs.

Best,

-Hubbahubba
post #2144 of 2241
@hubbahubba

Agreed. I don't have a Tuner card on my HUB so have no actual experience, but certainly appears that there is not much functionality by adding one. No guide, no ability to schedule a recording, can only record the channel you are tuned to etc. I also see people complaining about the interface and how slow it is. It's a shame, I would have bought a card the day WD released the FW supporting it, had the user reviews been decent. Just the ability to watch live TV without having to switch inputs from my HUB to my Antenna would be worth it if this worked well.

We can only hope that this first run is essentially proof of concept and later FW updates will add more functionality.

-MP
post #2145 of 2241
need to upgrade the 1tb hard drive to a 2tb, has/can this be done ?
if so what model of hard drive ?
thanks
post #2146 of 2241
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Originally Posted by madmadworld View Post

need to upgrade the 1tb hard drive to a 2tb, has/can this be done ?
if so what model of hard drive ?
thanks

Unknown - try posting here:
http://community.wd.com/t5/WD-TV-Live-Hub-Discussions/bd-p/wdtvlivehub
post #2147 of 2241
The poster already did earlier. Not going to get too much help on WDs board when you opting to void your warranty

Why bother. You have USB ports that you can use to add external drives. You could add a NAS to your network, or you could read network drives from another machine, either Windows or *nix. Seems a lot easier than cracking your device and trying to add a new one. The WD HUB has always been very picky about the drive type even when replacing the existing 1TB scorpio with another one. Not really worth it IMHO.

-P
post #2148 of 2241
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Originally Posted by MPearl View Post

The poster already did earlier. Not going to get too much help on WDs board when you opting to void your warranty

Why bother. You have USB ports that you can use to add external drives. You could add a NAS to your network, or you could read network drives from another machine, either Windows or *nix. Seems a lot easier than cracking your device and trying to add a new one. The WD HUB has always been very picky about the drive type even when replacing the existing 1TB scorpio with another one. Not really worth it IMHO.

-P

Agreed. For the price of the a WDTV Live Hub with 2tb, you could probably score two 3tb external drives.
post #2149 of 2241
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Originally Posted by MPearl View Post

The poster already did earlier. Not going to get too much help on WDs board when you opting to void your warranty

Why bother. You have USB ports that you can use to add external drives. You could add a NAS to your network, or you could read network drives from another machine, either Windows or *nix. Seems a lot easier than cracking your device and trying to add a new one. The WD HUB has always been very picky about the drive type even when replacing the existing 1TB scorpio with another one. Not really worth it IMHO.

-P
my 1tb HD seems to be failing. and i have so many gizmo's upping my electric bill now i try not to buy more of them to plug in.
had read about how picky it was about HD's.
then read about a guy on ebay was selling his new 1 tb HD that came with his unit saying he put a 2 tb HD in his.
hate to throw it in the landfill when it dies. i'm fix it up kinda guy
thanks for reading
post #2150 of 2241
I have a question regarding my WDTV Live Hub. Currently my network is setup like this.



Now as you can see the problem, I cannot transfer files faster than 100Mbit will allow and obviously this is quite time consuming for large files 10GB+. I also have to either disconnect a TV box's ethernet to transfer, move the hub beside my PC in another room and hook up the ethernet to the gateway, or use a USB drive Now I Have to use my ISP's gateway in order for my televisions to get a signal. I have also tried to directly hook up the hub to my PC's second ethernet jack but could never get it to see the hub and I don't know why.

What I was wondering is if I added a gigabit switch and ran a cat 5e cable like the image below. Would I be able to transfer files to my Hub from PC and also get internet access for the hub itself as well? Or do I need a Gigabit Router. Bear in mind that internet access for the hub is a lesser priority than file transfer.


Edited by Harkonnen - 7/14/13 at 4:40pm
post #2151 of 2241
^^^

You will be able to transfer to/from the hub/PC (and have internet access for the hub) but not at gigabit speeds. However, in reality I have not seen speeds much over 100mbps even with a gigabit router and switch.



- Never trust atoms. They make up everything.
post #2152 of 2241
Then how can I get Gbit transfer speeds to my hub if a gigabit switch between the two won't work? I am guessing a gigabit capable router is needed then? I Just want to be able to transfer faster than 10 Megabyte/second that I currently get. I am pretty sure I should be able to get at least 30-50MB/sec transfer rate. 5 minutes to transfer a movie is better than 15 when you need to move 20 or 30 12GB movies around lol.
Edited by Harkonnen - 7/14/13 at 9:17pm
post #2153 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post

Then how can I get Gbit transfer speeds to my hub if a gigabit switch between the two won't work? I am guessing a gigabit capable router is needed then? I Just want to be able to transfer faster than 10 Megabyte/second that I currently get. I am pretty sure I should be able to get at least 30-50MB/sec transfer rate. 5 minutes to transfer a movie is better than 15 when you need to move 20 or 30 12GB movies around lol.

You will never get gigabit speed even if it had a gigabit Ethernet. WD will need to have a faster chip.
post #2154 of 2241
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

You will never get gigabit speed even if it had a gigabit Ethernet. WD will need to have a faster chip.

I am not sure you understand me. My network is currently limited to file transferring to the live hub at around 10 MEGABYTE a second. Which is near the max a 100Mbps LAN can do and that's great. Now I am not expecting 125 MEGABYTE/Sec transfer to the live hub. But being able to have it hooked up via a Gigabit network will allow me to file transfer at around 30-50 MEGABYTE/sec.

I am trying to figure out what equipment I need to be able to get the Live hub(that has a gigabit port) connected to my PC at Gigabit. WITHOUT going through my 100Mbps MAX Internet Provider supplied modem that I can't get rid of.

Again look at the images.
post #2155 of 2241
Harkonnen, you are not paying attention. Even though the Hub has a Gig Ethernet interface, the CPU is so tiny that it is impossible to get much more than 100mbit/sec. Doesn't matter how fast your other systems and LAN components are. The WD is CPU-bound.

But yes, things will work fine in your proposed network.
post #2156 of 2241
Well thanks for finally clarifying. Was thinking a media player advertised as having gigabit Ethernet would be capable of actually using more than 100mbit.

This really pisses me off. Blatant false advertising in my mind.
post #2157 of 2241
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Originally Posted by Harkonnen View Post

Blatant false advertising in my mind.

There should not be any advertising in your mind. You need to upgrade.
post #2158 of 2241
Anyone else using the new "Simplicity" link sheet theme? It's really excellent, built by the same person and on the same back-end as Black Mamba. Very slick, and if you use linksheets very fast. Also a big step up on the Thumbgen templates. Comes with all the usual templates for movies and tv shows, but also now includes TV series and season folder sheet, and Movie genre folder sheets. My favorite new concept that the coder (DeVicious) made is that the linksheets for TV Seasons lists all the episodes in that season. Very cool.

As usual, you have to go through the process of making new linksheets and covers in Thumbgen which does take some effort, but it is well worth it. After using the various versions of Black Mamba for the past year or so, I was ready for a new theme, and this one was a great upgrade.

I highly recommend checking it out. It's a great looking theme, really well written, and even includes an install guide if you are not used to using Thumbgen or making linksheets. A good theme can really enhance the user experience on a HUB.

Here's some pics. Note that I modded the template for Genre Sheets and Covers so the standard install will look a bit different that that picture, but this will still give you the basic idea of what the theme looks like.




-MP
post #2159 of 2241
My experience with themes that use link sheets is that all the files need to reside In the same folder. Is that still the case?
post #2160 of 2241
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Originally Posted by blipszyc View Post

My experience with themes that use link sheets is that all the files need to reside In the same folder. Is that still the case?

depends on what you mean by the same folder.


1) The linksheets all needs to reside in the root of the theme on your HUB
2) The cover jpgs need to reside in the same folder as the movie

It is certainly easier to have a lot of movies in one folder such as a genre folder like "Comedy", "Drama", etc, so when you open that folder you see all the movie covers in gallery mode and can move through them and see the sheets. That said, since you can make linksheets for folders, you could have each movie in an individual folder and make a sheet for the folder instead of the movie itself. It would require a bit of extra work to make the sheets for each movies folder, but there are templates for that you can use in Thumbgen. In my second picture (the one I use for genre folders), you could do that for individual movie folder if you chose. If you movies are in VOB/IFO/BUP format in VIDEO_TS directories, I guess that would be your only choice. I found that hard to use when I got my first WD device (a livePlus) so converted those all to ISO files to have each movie be a single file.

The easiest and most common method is the genre folder setup as below. The linksheet for the comedy folder, and for movies 1-3 all would be in the themes root. The videos and the covers would be in the comedy folder.

Comedy
-->movie1.mkv
-->movie1.jpg
-->movie2.iso
-->movie2.jpg
-->movie3.avi
-->movie3.jpg
etc

Depending on the Genre, I have anywhere between 8 movies and 200+ movies in a folder. I also use sub-folders to further break things up such as a "James Bond" folder with all the JB movies in a folder underneath "Action."

Of course you could also have all your movies and covers in one big folder, but at least for me that would be chaos.

Since the linksheets are all local to the HUB, the come up as soon as I click on the movie cover. I keep my media files on a file-server that my HUB accesses across my network but that does not seem to cause any latency in accessing the files or showing the covers.

Probably a longer answer than you needed, but I figure worth a full explanation for anyone thinking about going in this direction. Your directory/folder structure will determine the method and amount of work needed to get up and running.

-MP
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