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post #1 of 16
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SONY KDL52XBR4 - Flickers On/Off with Non 24hz Material

Hi Everyone,

I'm hoping someone can point me in the right direction with my Sony KDL52XBR4 LCD flickering on/off and/or going dark/black, but only with non 1080p 24Hz material.

Basically, it all started about two weeks when I got back from vacation. I turned the tv on along with my receiver and Tivo. Right away, I noticed the LCD started flickering on and off as if the backlight was not being powered correctly. When the LCD is not flickering the picture is perfect and not distorted in any other way. It's like someone is turning the lights on and off in a room. That's how annoying it was. It was bad enough you could not watch any TV.

At this point, I did minimal troubleshooting by myself. I then proceeded to contact Sony who referred me to an authorized repair person. The repair person came out and got on the phone with Sony Professional dealers support line. The conversation definitely revolved around whether it was the panel itself or a component. At some point, it was determined it had to be either the FB1 main board or the AU board. Voltage measurements were taken and found to be within specs. The tech left and a couple days later quoted me about $750 to repair both boards because him and sony could not narrow it down any further. The TV was purchased in 11/2007 and is definitely out of warranty. After some thought, I declined the repairs and decided to conduct further troubeshooting and attempt to repair myself.

In the course of further troubleshooting, I removed the back cover and have removed and reseated all connectors to and from FB1, UB1 & AU boards. This didn't make any difference. I then decided to cycle through the other AV components that feed into my receiver and was surprised to notice that whenever I feed a 1080p/24Hz signal to the TV all the flickering goes away! I then proceeded to switch back to my Tivo which is setup to output 1080i and the flickering comes back. Next, I turned my Popcorn A-110 which is setup to display 1080p/24Hz and the flickering is gone. I then decided to change the resolution output on the A-110 to 1080i/60Hz and the flickering comes back.

So it seems that my TV only flickers when I play anything that is non 1080p/24Hz. Does this issue seem related to the FB1 board or the AU board? I've also read that the UB1 board is responsible for doubling the 60Hz and suspect it may be the culprit, but the repair person did not quote it as possibly being the issue although he is not privy to my further research and findings.

Any help in pin pointing the problem would be appreciated! Based on my research I am tempted to first replace the UB1 board followed by the FB1 board and finally the AU board if all else fails. What do you thinK, know and recommend?

TV Info:

Sony KDL52XBR4
Serial 8003xxx
DP: 11/2007


Best,
Juan
post #2 of 16
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Bump......Anyone?
post #3 of 16
You can try this to confirm or eliminate the UB1 board.

 

UB1_board[1].zip 322.7021484375k . file
post #4 of 16
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Thanks schlick!

I tried the simple tests from the PDF and it looks like my UB1 board is good. This pretty much confirms it's the FB1 board I need to try first. I'll report back once I purchase and swap it unless I hear from someone else with further tests to conduct.
post #5 of 16
Good luck. I'll be interested in what you find out.
post #6 of 16
Another thought. If this is happening on all inputs, it's likely the FB1 board. The hdmi inputs never go through the AU board. So, if component input displays the problem but any hdmi does not, it's likey the AU. I didn't see your method of connection in your original post, but I'm guessing a 1080/24 source is hdmi based.
post #7 of 16
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Well, I received the FB1 board and swapped out, but it did'nt fix the problem. All the symptoms remain the same as before. I've ruled out the AU board at this point given that they issue happens with both HDMI & all other connections. I went ahead and ordered the UB1 board and TCON board since they are both relatively cheap. At this point, it has to be one or the other. I will first change out the TCON board given the need to remove the UB1 board in order to install the latter.
post #8 of 16
This is real important: When you say the picture goes out, is it because the backlights are turning off?
post #9 of 16
I am not familiar with Sony module abbreviations, but whichever module has AV decoder (sometimes combined with main CPU) is likely to be the problem. Some manufactures call it AV processor board or Main board. Very common chip in question usually comes from Mediatek corporation…

T-CON board and its processor could also have a problem because data is stored in RAM and drawn “out” by processor to create adequate refresh rates and interpolated frames.

Let us know the outcome and good luck,

Boky
post #10 of 16
Let’s see if we can work on this together Boky.

This model uses the EMMA2TH processor as an A/V decoder and up-scalar for non-HD content. A CXD4716 Emotional Picture Processor (EPP) de-interlaces all non-progressive content to output a 1920 X 1080 60HZ resolution to the CB1 board (frame doubler) and on to the TCON which is fixed for 120HZ input only on this model. Next years models would incorporate the CB1 circuitry into the TCON.
Since this person claims to be only experiencing problems with non 24p content (I find this to be rather strange) it is possible that a problem exists on the EPP. Both the EMMA and EPP are located on the FB1 board but he has already replaced that.

I need to know if the picture loss is occurring due to backlight failure. If it is, the TCON is the suspect. There is a backend micro data line that feeds picture information to the BEM processor on the FB1. If this data stream is interrupted, the backlights will extinguish. I’ve seen this on several of these models.

He claims to have the TCON and is going to install it. Let’s see what the feedback is when it is done.
post #11 of 16
Nice, thanks for that.

Boky
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
The backlight completey goes out from any source other than 1080p/24Hz. As long as I watch my media output at 1080p/24Hz I experience no issues at all. As soon as I flip to any other source I lose the backlight, but I can still see the outlines of the video being displayed if I look from a sideview.

Hope this helps in narrowing it down.

Juan
post #13 of 16
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Forgot to mention part arrives later today from ShopJimmy. UPS delivers late to my place. I will install today and have hopefully some good news.
post #14 of 16
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Replacing the TCON board fixed the issue. I confirmed it was the TCON by putting in the original part back and observing the problem comeback. The only minor issue now is the color/picture seems to be off. I've read it could be because each panel is calibrated to the TCON. Does anyone know if that maybe the case? I've tried different calibration settings from this site, but I cant get the picture to look the same as before.

Juan
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by joropeza View Post

Replacing the TCON board fixed the issue. I confirmed it was the TCON by putting in the original part back and observing the problem comeback. The only minor issue now is the color/picture seems to be off. I've read it could be because each panel is calibrated to the TCON. Does anyone know if that maybe the case? I've tried different calibration settings from this site, but I cant get the picture to look the same as before.

Juan

Each TCON board contains the white-balance, gamma and uniformity data for the panel it was installed on. Unfortunately, you cannot access this adjustment data without a special interface and software.

This problem is further noticed when you obtain TCON from a different panel size. A 40, 46, or 52" panel has the same number of pixels so they can use the same TCON but the adjustment data differs more because of the physical size of the panel.

A decision must be made when replacing a TCON. Are you willing to tolerate a small amount of adjustment mis-match as opposed to replacing the entire panel? Putting a new panel in would give you the best picture since they all come with the TCON included and calibrated to that particular panel. Good job on fixing your issue.
post #16 of 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by joropeza View Post

Replacing the TCON board fixed the issue. I confirmed it was the TCON by putting in the original part back and observing the problem comeback. The only minor issue now is the color/picture seems to be off. I've read it could be because each panel is calibrated to the TCON. Does anyone know if that maybe the case? I've tried different calibration settings from this site, but I cant get the picture to look the same as before.

Juan

well done!
Boky
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