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Best 3D Blu Ray Player to go for??

post #1 of 32
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I live in the UK, just wanting to know the best 3D Blu Ray player to go for, for full HD video and audio and 3D (that will work well with the following;

TV:
Samsung 40" Full HD 3D LCD TV (Model no: LE40C750R2KXXU, Version no: SQ01)

AVR:
Pioneer VSX-1018 AH-K (uses HDMI V1.3)

Thanks,
post #2 of 32
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Any help advice please,

Thanks,
post #3 of 32
I use my PS3 to watch 3D Blurays, it works great. Since your receiver is HDMI 1.3, you will have to use the video through HDMI and the optical audio. Otherwise you will have no sound with your video.
post #4 of 32
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Originally Posted by marciorr View Post

I use my PS3 to watch 3D Blurays, it works great. Since your receiver is HDMI 1.3, you will have to use the video through HDMI and the optical audio. Otherwise you will have no sound with your video.

I am wanting to keep to everything in HDMI, and without having to change my avr..
You absolutely cannot get full HD audio and all the available audio options via optical etc, it's all ONLY available through HDMI..

The only option really I think is a 3D Blu Ray player with dual HDMI outputs, but which player is best for this??

Please state make and model number

Thanks,
post #5 of 32
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Ok, I've phoned Samsung UK and asked about the HDMI output/s, the guy I spoke to confirmed that the Samsung C8900 3D Blu Ray Player only has 1 HDMI output and not 2,
I asked about connecting to an AVR that only supports HDMI v1.3 and he said that I would need to connect an HDMI V1.4 cable from the player straight the the 3D TV and an optical cable from the player to the AVR even though optical doesn't give you the full HD audio/audio options, just standard Dolby Digital and DTS

so this moreless says you need a dual output 3D Blu Ray Player if you don't want to spend near enough another £1000 on an AVR that has the v1.4 HDMI connections
post #6 of 32
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So what is my next step? 'without having to buy a v1.4 compatible AVR'?

Cos if I was to upgrade my AVR, there's £1000 gone straight away for a 7.1 AVR and then £300 to £500 for a 3D Blu Ray Player..
Whereas if I got a dual HDMI output 3D Blu Ray Player, it'll only cost £500 the most..

My question Now is, which player is best with dual output??
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by marcaaron22 View Post

So what is my next step? 'without having to buy a v1.4 compatible AVR'?

Cos if I was to upgrade my AVR, there's £1000 gone straight away for a 7.1 AVR and then £300 to £500 for a 3D Blu Ray Player..
Whereas if I got a dual HDMI output 3D Blu Ray Player, it'll only cost £500 the most..

My question Now is, which player is best with dual output??

Well, I could be wrong, but I think there's only two choices - both Panasonic - the BDT-300 and BDT-350. And, I also believe that the 300 is the only one available in the UK. But, it shouldn't even be near 500 pounds, probably only around 300-350. In fact, Amazon UK has it for 298.
post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by marcaaron22 View Post

So what is my next step? 'without having to buy a v1.4 compatible AVR'?

Cos if I was to upgrade my AVR, there's £1000 gone straight away for a 7.1 AVR and then £300 to £500 for a 3D Blu Ray Player..
Whereas if I got a dual HDMI output 3D Blu Ray Player, it'll only cost £500 the most..

My question Now is, which player is best with dual output??

I am quite familar with the various bluray sources and I have never heard of or forsee a dual output HDMI source device (Except repeaters). Unfortunately since you are a pioneer so to speak with 3D technology TV's you have unfortunately landed yourself in a bit of a incompatibilty time period. The EDID from the audio AMP is required to get your advanced audio, and the EDID from the TV is required for the 3D so that the source 3D device thinks it's capable.

Anyway for your setup you would need a device that basically captures the amp and tv EDID, superclasses them into one EDID taking the audio section from amp, but video section from TV to tell the source what your 'system' is capable.

You can search for such device, but I don't think I know of any. Maybe get a geffen rep on the phone, mention what I said. A second solution would be a 'Geffen HDMI-Detective'-like device that has a customizable PC interface to allow you to create your superclass EDID manually.

See picture:
post #9 of 32
Forgot to mention, but what a good HDMI 1.4a capable amp will probably be doing internally is what I suggested in a possible external solution shown in #1. Maybe ebay your current amp and buy a 1.4 one.
post #10 of 32
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Originally Posted by RMLewis View Post

Well, I could be wrong, but I think there's only two choices - both Panasonic - the BDT-300 and BDT-350. And, I also believe that the 300 is the only one available in the UK. But, it shouldn't even be near 500 pounds, probably only around 300-350. In fact, Amazon UK has it for 298.

I actually have the BDT-300 with the dual HDMI outputs including both 1.4 and 1.3 HDMI. What are the disadvantages of not upgrading to a 1.4 capable receiver, if any?
post #11 of 32
Oppo 93 should be available in a few weeks if you can wait. It also has 2 outputs which should allow you to keep your HDMI 1.3 receiver and still be able to listen to the lossless codecs.
post #12 of 32
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Originally Posted by atomic007 View Post

I am quite familar with the various bluray sources and I have never heard of or forsee a dual output HDMI source device (Except repeaters). Unfortunately since you are a pioneer so to speak with 3D technology TV's you have unfortunately landed yourself in a bit of a incompatibilty time period. The EDID from the audio AMP is required to get your advanced audio, and the EDID from the TV is required for the 3D so that the source 3D device thinks it's capable.

Anyway for your setup you would need a device that basically captures the amp and tv EDID, superclasses them into one EDID taking the audio section from amp, but video section from TV to tell the source what your 'system' is capable.

You can search for such device, but I don't think I know of any. Maybe get a geffen rep on the phone, mention what I said. A second solution would be a 'Geffen HDMI-Detective'-like device that has a customizable PC interface to allow you to create your superclass EDID manually.

See picture:

Sorry, but you're incorrect on this. The Panasonics do have dual HDMI outputs specifically to address legacy 1.3 AVR's and the new 3D TV's. One HDMI outputs video to the TV direct (therefore no EDID issues), and one outputs HD audio direct to the AVR.
post #13 of 32
Thread Starter 
Looks like I'll be getting either 1 the Panasonic ones or the Oppo 93. The player needs to be region B so I expect it'll have to be the Panasonic 300, that's unless I can get hold of the 350 and it's region B or the Oppo 93 if it's region B..

I am going out tomorrow so I'll probably call in my local Panasonic store, have a look at the player in action, have a play about with the operation of it and decide there and then, I have already seen the Samsung C6900 player in my local currys store and the only thing that let it down was that there is no dual HDMI outputs, I don't know why they left it out, but I think Samsung have just lost a valued customer here I'm afraid,
Looks like it's Panasonic all the way, or the Oppo 93,
We shall see tomorrow after I have had a good look at the Panasonic..
post #14 of 32
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Originally Posted by NorthTV View Post

I actually have the BDT-300 with the dual HDMI outputs including both 1.4 and 1.3 HDMI. What are the disadvantages of not upgrading to a 1.4 capable receiver, if any?

Not much, unless you want to take advantage of audio return, or buy a receiver that has an HD radio tuner built in. Neither was enough for me to get rid of my two 1.3 receivers. Instead, I have a Panny 350 and a Sangean HD radio tuner. Now all I need is an actual 3D display.
post #15 of 32
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Originally Posted by RMLewis View Post

Sorry, but you're incorrect on this. The Panasonics do have dual HDMI outputs specifically to address legacy 1.3 AVR's and the new 3D TV's. One HDMI outputs video to the TV direct (therefore no EDID issues), and one outputs HD audio direct to the AVR.

News to me, and I apologize. This is a great solution in the interim until more people are using 1.4 AVR's. Btw, really dislike this primitive EDID technology HDMI has adopted from DVI forcing expensive solutions like two outputs.
post #16 of 32
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Originally Posted by marcaaron22 View Post

Looks like I'll be getting either 1 the Panasonic ones or the Oppo 93. The player needs to be region B so I expect it'll have to be the Panasonic 300, that's unless I can get hold of the 350 and it's region B or the Oppo 93 if it's region B..

I am going out tomorrow so I'll probably call in my local Panasonic store, have a look at the player in action, have a play about with the operation of it and decide there and then, I have already seen the Samsung C6900 player in my local currys store and the only thing that let it down was that there is no dual HDMI outputs, I don't know why they left it out, but I think Samsung have just lost a valued customer here I'm afraid,
Looks like it's Panasonic all the way, or the Oppo 93,
We shall see tomorrow after I have had a good look at the Panasonic..

I'm in the same boat. Just bought a 3d 82 mits Dlp and need to replace my old DVD player.

Looks like Sony and the Pannys are the options right now.

Does anyone know how th Panny bdt300 does at upscaling regular DVD versus the Sony 470/570?

Other option is to wait for the oppo 93 but not sure if that player will be in the 300 range lime the Panny ?
post #17 of 32
bump...

I was hoping to run out to Best Buy tomorrow and pick up either the Sony or Panny?
post #18 of 32
Well scratch that. I checked my local Best Buy and there are no Panny BDT300s or 350s to be had in the State!

Back to the drawing board.

Best Buy carries the Sony 470/570 and a few LG units along with a new Sharp.

Can someone Please give me a recommendation on which unit would be best for my setup (Mits 82" 3D DLP)?
post #19 of 32
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Originally Posted by PRO710HD View Post

Well scratch that. I checked my local Best Buy and there are no Panny BDT300s or 350s to be had in the State!

Back to the drawing board.

Best Buy carries the Sony 470/570 and a few LG units along with a new Sharp.

Can someone Please give me a recommendation on which unit would be best for my setup (Mits 82" 3D DLP)?

I was about to buy one in geneva and south elgin a couple days ago. Why not order online and ship it to the store for free for pick up?
post #20 of 32
Thanks Loudog. Bestbuy showed that both units were unavailable online.

I took a trip to the CL store and got extremely lucky this evening. Found a 300 that wasn't even in inventory. I jumped on it for sale price of 339.

I have to run out tomorrow and grab an HDMI cable.

Where's the best place to pick up a cheap HDMI cable in the NW Chicago burbs?
post #21 of 32
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Originally Posted by PRO710HD View Post

Thanks Loudog. Bestbuy showed that both units were unavailable online.

I took a trip to the CL store and got extremely lucky this evening. Found a 300 that wasn't even in inventory. I jumped on it for sale price of 339.

I have to run out tomorrow and grab an HDMI cable.

Where's the best place to pick up a cheap HDMI cable in the NW Chicago burbs?

You can either price match the audioquest forest at BB with the price at ABT(or go to ABT). Or buy the bluejeans cable F2's online. I have done both.
post #22 of 32
Sweet. Think I'll go after the Forest cables at BB

Thanks Lou!
post #23 of 32
Thread Starter 
I ordered the Panasonic BDT300 on friday I'm due to go and pick it up this friday from my local Panasonic store, just wanting to know, the main HDMI lead, can I connect it to any HDMI slot on me Samsung 3DTV or is it a specific HDMI slot?

Also, the HDMI lead for the audio do I connect that to the BD (Blu Ray) slot on my Pioneer AVR?

Thanks

Just wondering, with me getting the player straight from Panasonic, will/should the demo disc also be included?
post #24 of 32
Thread Starter 
Just to add,
I have got this HDMI cable, I think it's v1.4, here is what the label says;

Front of label;
NEWlink HDMI 19P M - 19P M
1.8m

Back of label;
Audio/video connection cable with HDMI gold plated plugs for transmission of digital audio and video signal.

Function Summary:
HDMI Ethernet Channel
Audio Return Channel
3D over HDMI
4k x 2k Resolution Support
Expanded Support For Color Spaces

Specifications:
99.99% Pure OFC Copper Cable
Heavy Duty Die-cast 24k Gold Plated Connectors
Silver Cast Injection Hood
Individually Screened Cable
RoHS Compliant


Will this cable be ok to use??
post #25 of 32
Since it says it supports 3D over HDMI it appears to be an HDMI High Speed cable. Manufacturing of cables labeled HDMI 1.4 is now illegal. See:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/tra..._logo_pub.aspx
post #26 of 32
Marcaaron;

Yes and Yes. You take the HDMI main lead into any one of the HDMI slots on your TV.
The can take the other HDMI lead (HDMI SUB etc) into the Bluray slot on your PIO receiver for the audio portion. I don't have a 7.1 receiver so I'm using optical out (toslink) into my 5.1 Dolby/DTS surround processor. Works great!
post #27 of 32
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Since it says it supports 3D over HDMI it appears to be an HDMI High Speed cable. Manufacturing of cables labeled HDMI 1.4 is now illegal. See:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/tra..._logo_pub.aspx

There is no mention of v1.4 anywhere, so is it ok??
post #28 of 32
Thread Starter 
So the cable I've got is the correct one to use for 3D?
post #29 of 32
A 1.8M cable certainly does not need gold plated connectors but since it has them I assume that it is a High apeed cable. However, at 1.8M even a HDMI standard cable should have not problem.
Try set up everyting with your current cable I don't think you will have any problems. If you do contact the cable manufacturer to find out if it is a High Speed cable.
post #30 of 32
Thread Starter 
Picked me panasonic 3d blu ray player up today, gone out tonight so haven't connected it up yet, will do that tomorrow (that's if I am not still p***ed, lol)

Btw, mine came without the 3pin plug, is this normal ??
luckly I have a travel adaptor..

Also, never came with a panasonic demo disc, and there was a coaxial cable in the box for some reason..

But on the other hand there was a USB wifi dongle and a USB extension lead in the box
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