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post #31 of 255
He meant that it was going to be like Fermi was to Nvidia when it first came out. Powerful, but hot and (I presume) inefficient. Like the commenters said, he doesn't provide anything to give confidence to that and his other statements.
post #32 of 255
I did some subjective noise estimation for Sapphire 6850 at Silent PC Reviews forum. Anyone interested please follow the link below. Look for my two posts in this thread, they both have pictures.

My resume is - very good card for gaming HTPC.

I didn't test HD audio or 3D - don't have equipment yet. Will fix that maybe during this holiday season.
Normal HD video playback is good though. No problems. This was about fan noise, we care about that at SPCR.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/forums...p?f=19&t=60475
post #33 of 255
Subscribing for future use.
post #34 of 255
Do any of you have a 6850 or a 6870 yet?

How are they doing for HTPC use? Bitstreaming working well? Any silent stream issues? Is UVD4 any better than 3 was?
post #35 of 255
I have 6850 but I don't have HDMI receiver yet. All I can say is that it can feed sound to my TV through HDMI but I guess it doesn't mean much. Then I switched back to optical SPDIF anyway.

Video quality is good. I can't compare it to UVD3, I switched from 8800GT. AMD enables stupid color correction and dynamic contrast by default. After I disabled it the quality is fine for me. I can't say that I looked hard to compare with 8800GT, I'm not picky. Don't know the difference.

Here, xbitlabs did video quality test. And they say there will be PowerDVD version with 3D support for 68xx on Nov 5th.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/vid..._11.html#sect0

I had to install latest AMD driver hotfix, 10.10d. I started with plain 10.10, then Total Media Theater caused BSOD sometimes. Either 10.10d or latest codec patches from TMT fixed BSOD, not sure. Now everything is fine. And there were no problems with MPC-HC.
post #36 of 255
having silent stream problems with my 6870..
post #37 of 255
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Originally Posted by lesleyc View Post

having silent stream problems with my 6870..

... aaand here we go again for the next round. Which drivers have you used?

Did you or anyone else btw try the Realtek HDMI drivers?
post #38 of 255
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

... aaand here we go again for the next round. Which drivers have you used?

Did you or anyone else btw try the Realtek HDMI drivers?

10.10, 10.10b, 10.10d. 10.10d is the worst of the 3 as mpc-hc says there is a missing component...
post #39 of 255
weird, it doesn't tell you what's missing? Usually on a clean Windows install it asks you to install the Directx runtime.
post #40 of 255
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

weird, it doesn't tell you what's missing? Usually on a clean Windows install it asks you to install the Directx runtime.

acm output ?
post #41 of 255
Antilles dual card packs two Caymans
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Still scheduled for Dec 2010

Good news for AMD fans, the Antilles dual chip card will end up with two Cayman chips, something that promises that the card can end up significantly faster than dual-chip Radeon HD 5970.

Two Barts (Radeon HD 6850 or 6870) class chips would not be enough to provide a sufficient performance lead for the new Radeon HD 6990 X2 card. This is why ATI is using two Cayman chips and we also learned that the chip looks more like the Radeon HD 6950.

The funny part is that we still don't exactly know what is behind Cayman, but we are doing our best to find out before November 22nd, the alleged launch date.

We expect TDPs around 300W but this is something that can only be confirmed at a later date. It will be very fast, that is certain, but we still don't know who will win this winter graphics update showdown.


Cayman HD 6970 has 2GB RAM
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256-bit

Information about AMD's upcoming Cayman core is still hard come by, but we have at least one new fact that we can rely on.

Cayman has 2GB of GDDR5 memory and the controller of choice is 256-bit. While in terms of RAM quantity the card beats Nvidia's GTX 580 which has 1.5GB, we can definitely say anything over 1GB is overkill for most users, but it looks good for marketing purposes.

Despite its 256-bit bus, Cayman Radeon HD 6970 looks to be quite close to GTX 580 performance, but we still don't have anything better than this claim. Launch appears to be set for the week of November 22nd and samples are supposed to get to AMD selected press very soon.
post #42 of 255
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Originally Posted by lesleyc View Post

acm output ?

I think that's an audio filter issue. It shouldn't have anything to do with ATI's drivers, especially the video drivers. I don't think the HDMI audio drivers would have changed in the different 10.10 builds. I don't even know if they changed from 10.8.
post #43 of 255
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Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post

Cayman HD 6970 has 2GB RAM

This is the one I would like (for sentimental reasons) but unfortunately, just like the Cayman Islands, I can't afford it right now. Which is kind of ironic since I'm from there.
post #44 of 255
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

This is the one I would like (for sentimental reasons) but unfortunately, just like the Cayman Islands, I can't afford it right now. Which is kind of ironic since I'm from there.

Is the price already known? Cos this too is the card I'm waiting for.
post #45 of 255
I don't know but the 6850 is currently out of my range and I'm guessing the price will be north of that.
post #46 of 255
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

I don't know but the 6850 is currently out of my range and I'm guessing the price will be north of that.

Ah, gotcha.
post #47 of 255
Wow
post #48 of 255
Thread Starter 
Rumors: AMD Radeon HD 7000 Coming In Q2, 2011?. It's manufactured in 28 nm process by Global Foundries.
post #49 of 255
I have to admit, I'm not sure what "silent stream" issues refers to, but I've had no problem with bitstreaming audio as long as I keep my Windows 7 Sound Properties set to 2.0 channel with the Media Center settings set to 5.1. (Using ATI driver of course). As far as I know that's a Windows bug that Microsoft knows about though. It means I'm only going to get 2.0 sound out of PC games, but I rarely play those anyway.

Anyway, wanted to point out that if you use Windows Media Center, don't turn on morphological filtering. It makes the GUI text go really blurry.
post #50 of 255
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Originally Posted by renethx View Post
Rumors: AMD Radeon HD 7000 Coming In Q2, 2011?. It's manufactured in 28 nm process by Global Foundries.
I am in no way tech savvy so I have no idea what's the benifit of 28nm manufacturing. Is it a less heat issue?

Also, why did one of the articles that I quoted earlier mention the 256-bit bus of the 6970 in a way that made it sound as a negative?
post #51 of 255
Generally speaking smaller means higher efficiency (less heat for the same/more power). 256-bit must be a less wide mem bus than the Nvidia 580 will use, that's why they used "despite". But memory frequency also plays a part there.
post #52 of 255
Problem with AMD 6870/50 deep coloer / x.v coloer

I bought a video card 6870 "HIS "
http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-574.shtml

I try to direct the deep coloer with the card
Like the picture :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7792/58048484.png
It works only with HDMI cable and tv Supporter x.v coloer and deep coloer


Unfortunately I found that different manufacturers of graphics cards
Save money by buying Connector HDMI without support at
deep coloer .

They also do not advertise this option in the card or Level of deep coloer 30 bit / 36 bit/ 48 bit :
only in amd web :
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKT...verview.aspx#2

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HDMI 1.4a with Stereoscopic 3D Frame Packing Format, Deep Color, xvYCC wide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4
quote:
Note that a given product may choose to implement a subset of the given HDMI version. Certain features such as Deep Color and xvYCC support are optional

card manufacturers like gigabyte or HIS or Sapphire buy a cheap HDMI connector that not gives as full value from the card
gigabyte with 4850 hd supports in deep coloer / x.v coloer
But in the following Series are saving Money.

deep coloer and x.v coloer
Give depth to movies, Web sites
By the depth of color, black seems deeper , High contrast

People buy with good money and manufacturers are laughing at them !
post #53 of 255
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

Generally speaking smaller means higher efficiency (less heat for the same/more power). 256-bit must be a less wide mem bus than the Nvidia 580 will use, that's why they used "despite". But memory frequency also plays a part there.

I see. Thanks for clearing that up. I only know very basic things about video cards in general so I had to ask.
post #54 of 255
No problem. Basically speaking, bus width is how wide is the river, and frequency is how fast the water is going. As you can see, they both can help the shortcomings of the other.

The manufacturing process is not only applicable to graphics cards though. Intel notoriously shrinks its process every roughly two years. The last shrink was from 45nm (Nehalem) to 32nm (Westmere), but this time they didn't exactly put out equivalent chips in both processes, at least for consumers, but that's another topic. The better comparison is the original Core 2 chips that came out in 2006 (Conroe, 65nm) and their 45nm shrink, Penryn. Google those names and you will see the difference the shrink (mostly) made.
post #55 of 255
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Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

Problem with AMD 6870/50 deep coloer / x.v coloer

I bought a video card 6870 "HIS "
http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-574.shtml

I try to direct the deep coloer with the card
Like the picture :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7792/58048484.png
It works only with HDMI cable and tv Supporter x.v coloer and deep coloer


Unfortunately I found that different manufacturers of graphics cards
Save money by buying Connector HDMI without support at
deep coloer .

They also do not advertise this option in the card or Level of deep coloer 30 bit / 36 bit/ 48 bit :
only in amd web :
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKT...verview.aspx#2

Quote:
HDMI 1.4a with Stereoscopic 3D Frame Packing Format, Deep Color, xvYCC wide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4
quote:
Note that a given product may choose to implement a subset of the given HDMI version. Certain features such as Deep Color and xvYCC support are optional

card manufacturers like gigabyte or HIS or Sapphire buy a cheap HDMI connector that not gives as full value from the card
gigabyte with 4850 hd supports in deep coloer / x.v coloer
But in the following Series are saving Money.

deep coloer and x.v coloer
Give depth to movies, Web sites
By the depth of color, black seems deeper , High contrast

People buy with good money and manufacturers are laughing at them !

Thanks for the heads up! I will keep this in mind.
post #56 of 255
My Gigabyte 6850 has all four options, and I have it set to RGB 4:4:4 with no issues, so am I misunderstanding what the supposed issue is?
post #57 of 255
Quote:
Originally Posted by deepdeep1 View Post

Problem with AMD 6870/50 deep coloer / x.v coloer

I bought a video card 6870 "HIS "
http://www.hisdigital.com/un/product2-574.shtml

I try to direct the deep coloer with the card
Like the picture :
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7792/58048484.png
It works only with HDMI cable and tv Supporter x.v coloer and deep coloer


Unfortunately I found that different manufacturers of graphics cards
Save money by buying Connector HDMI without support at
deep coloer .

They also do not advertise this option in the card or Level of deep coloer 30 bit / 36 bit/ 48 bit :
only in amd web :
http://www.amd.com/US/PRODUCTS/DESKT...verview.aspx#2

Quote:
HDMI 1.4a with Stereoscopic 3D Frame Packing Format, Deep Color, xvYCC wide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Version_1.4
quote:
Note that a given product may choose to implement a subset of the given HDMI version. Certain features such as Deep Color and xvYCC support are optional

card manufacturers like gigabyte or HIS or Sapphire buy a cheap HDMI connector that not gives as full value from the card
gigabyte with 4850 hd supports in deep coloer / x.v coloer
But in the following Series are saving Money.

deep coloer and x.v coloer
Give depth to movies, Web sites
By the depth of color, black seems deeper , High contrast

People buy with good money and manufacturers are laughing at them !

I'm about to order a 6870 to replace my 4870, I get the four options when connected to my KRP500a. I don't understand what your saying?

What exactly is the issue?
post #58 of 255
I have a KRP-500M and some of us already had this discussion with deepdeep1 about his problem here. It's the Nvidia GTX 460 thread but you can see how it also applies to these cards. The claim that some manufacturers don't include Deep Color support is most likely wrong. Like the 5000 series, all the cards should have it. If it's actually doing something useful is another matter, but there shoudn't be differences between manufacturers.
post #59 of 255
Will the 6350 support 3D as well? I'm looking at a cheap HTPC card.
post #60 of 255
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Originally Posted by Andy o View Post

I have a KRP-500M and some of us already had this discussion with deepdeep1 about his problem here. It's the Nvidia GTX 460 thread but you can see how it also applies to these cards. The claim that some manufacturers don't include Deep Color support is most likely wrong. Like the 5000 series, all the cards should have it. If it's actually doing something useful is another matter, but there shoudn't be differences between manufacturers.

Thanks for clearing that up.
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