The Impossible Challenge? Is it possible this year? - Page 3

Got it. Thanks.

I had the C650 and returned it due to bad lag. It was in Game mode and I believe it was hooked up in HDMI2 (HDMI1 was used for my Tv feed and I didn't have anything else HDMI to hooked it up to). The lag was just horrible with that set unfortunately even in game mode.

thanks for the suggestion though.

I am already using an HD tv (an old samsung 32") and am already hooking it up and working just fine with an HDMI cable.

the A650 was just fine to play games, but the C series had very bad lag, even in game mode unfortunately.

Hey BostonLou,

I also work in the It field and can relate to the 60hz being noticeable on CRT monitors. I am as sensitive as you.

As for the VT25, it's a great TV but expect to see flickering/flashing on bright colors like commercials, background on Tv shows, etc. When the scene is darker, you won't notice it. If you are as sensitive as I am to flickering, you may not be able to get over it so plasma are a dangerous choice. too bad because beside this, they would be the almost perfect TV.

So because of the flickering, I'm stuck with LCD.

Still didn't decide yet so I am still TV less. No I didn't have to pay a restock fee. Both Futureshop and Bestbuy here have 30 days return policies. No restock fees, no questons asked (or so).

My problem is that I've returned 2 TV at each of the 2 futureshop near me and 1 TV at the bestbuy near me. Although there is nothing in their policies about the number of time you can return a TV, their respective managers told me that they hope my next purchase is the good one.

In a way, I can't blame them, this is the reason I have been delaying purchasing a Tv, I want to make sure the next one is the right now.

Prices of LED/LCD can be so expensive. Right now, the only TV that seems to fit my bill is Sony's hx909 but the price is SO much more expensive compared to a plasma of about the same size. I wonder somtimes if I would have grown "used" to the flickering. It would make my life so much easier...

Oh am I looking at it. Motion blur on sport and color saturation are holding me back but if motion blur is good, I could byte. I've been burn on clouding on other set so I am also waiting on more owner to report back on the set.

I actually went back to Bestbuy last night. My goal was to hook up my console to the 52HX909 and try a few games to see if I would notice some input lag. The good news is that input lag is almost not noticeable, it would certainly not prevent me from enjoying gaming on it. Actually, I even put on Local dimming to standard and felt it didn't add a lot more input lag.

Then I went and tried the LG 8500. It's a LED with local dimming. There is one thing I have to say, in game mode, the LG8500 felt a little bit faster, but oh god, was the PQ bad in game mode. It was horrible. Once I saw this, I took my xbox back to the hx909 and loaded the same level/checkpoint to see if it was just me. It was amazing how the Pq was better on the hx909. The difference may be hard to describe but the color were better and there was far less "jaggies" on the hx909. Just like if on the Hx909 there was some anti-aliasing effet going on while there was none on the LG8500.

Input lag might be better on the LG but the PQ was so bad that I might be able to live with the tiny bit more input lag on the HX909.

Tonight, I want to go and try the 46" hx909. I've read contradicting reports on input lag on this TV with someone havign lower input lag but he had a 46" I want to see if I can feel a difference. I sit 9ft away from the TV so at worst case, I could still grab a 46" (which was my original idea). Most store clerk tell me 52" would be to big but they probably just give the company lines. here people will give you a 2 times or 2.5 times the side of the tv for the seating distance but I know official company like Sharp will tell you it should be 3 times the size of the tv.

waiting another year is a possibility although a depressing one. My wife is preasurring me to finally pick a TV and get it over. We are missing a TV right now (My son broke the one in the living room on the main floor) so the plan is for me to buy one for the home theatre room and move my current samsing 32" LCD in the living room. She is getting tired of me waiting.

Just an update, I tried the 46hx909 last night and maybe my brain is playing tricks on me but I felt the input lag was just a bit lower on the 46" than the 52". I was playing the demo of Megaman 10 and couldn't feel input lag when playing the game even at times with local dimming set to standard.

the only thing that bugs me a little, but it might be nothing, is I notice a bit more notion blur in when playing games than I usually notice. Maybe its agsin my brain trying really hard to find a flaw in the TV. Maybe it's because I have a 32" at home, watching from 9 feet away and I just notice the blur more since the TV is bigger. Still a very expensive TV.

the store is willing to bundle me the 2 3D glasses, 3D dvd player and emetter in the price (they don't have a special like best buy does) but with taxes, I'm looking at a 3k$ investement for a 46".

I hate my eyes and brain...

Plasma burn in don't really bother me, espicially with Panasonic. No, it's the damn flickering I keep seeing. Last night, as I was looking at the 46hx909, there was the Panasonic G25 and VT25 close by. The PQ on these was simply amazing. There are scenes were I don't notice the flickering. then we switched to hockey and turn the lights off (which is how I watch tv most of the time) and the flickering was there and hard to miss for me.

You see, you can get a 50G25 for dirty cheap these days. I hate the fact that I see flickering. I'd be just happy with a G25 or a VT25 myself.

I don't have a lot of experience with plasma so I don't know if I ever witness phosphir trails.

As for the blacks, plasma don't perform well in a light up environement. If you as me, the hx909 as the best black I have ever seen, as long as you are on axis, straight in front of the screen. better than the VT25.

Blacks are better with the VT25 and G25 when in a darker room. Keep in mind that black do rise after some times on panasonics's plasma so depending on how many hours the demo as been lighted up in store, the blacks could be worst than what you will get when you purchased it. I did owned a G25 for a week and my set didn't buzzed. If it wasn't for the flickering, I'd still own that TV. Plasma do have a softer picture VS LCDs. you have to get used to it but if you feed good source to the G25, it's a really beautifull set.

In my case, right now, my best bet remains the 46hx909. It fills all my needs, except the price tag. I have the money, it's just a pretty big investement but I am getting tired of waiting and searching, I have been for 8 months now. Waiting another 12 months seems like an eternity...

considering still the 46hx909 and Sharp's 920un right now.

With the 46hx909 I am getting superior PQ and no clouding thanks to the local dimming. The set is very expensive right now thought.

On the other hand, I could get a 52Le920un for 800$ less than the 46hx909. Possible clouding and saturated colors are the drawback.

I guess it comes down to PQ vs Size and it's the eternal question. I can't seem to notice input lag on the 46hx909 but I am sure it's still higher than the Sharp.

if I can negociate pricing a little on the sony, I might just buy that set and call it a day for a few years.