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post #1 of 39
Thread Starter 
I, erroneously it now seems , thought that I was 'Set-for-Life' when I bought SEVERAL HUNDRED Vinyl CD/DVD Sleeves a few years back.

What-the-Heck! - at that time, I duplicated a few Music CDs, created a few MP3 CDs / VCDs / SVCDs from 'various' sources, but never more than a few every 'now-and-then'.

*UNTIL* I bought my SECOND 2160A and (SUDDENLY, for reasons I cannot ascertain ) started down the DigaDo TCM-track!

SHOCKINGLY, I just hit the *FINAL* cardboard separator in my SEVERAL HUNDRED Vinyl CD/DVD Sleeve box! WHERE DID THEY ALL GO?!?

On top of all this, my dear wife is COMPLAINING that the HUNDRED-PLUS TCM MOVIE DVDs that I painstakingly created for her are 'taking up too much room'!

So..., I did a few SEARCHes on ALBUMS and found the 328 album that DigaDo likes over at supermediastore.com for ~$17. And the 128 album that Meritline had *ONSALE* for $1.99 a few days ago (MISSED IT! ).

Thus, I'd like to start a CENTRAL THREAD on what CD/DVD ALBUMs AVS Members have used, would recommend *AND* what's currently *ONSALE*.

As for REQUIREMENTS, I'd say just that it hold (and not scratch) the DVD *AND* not fall apart from INFREQUENT use (my dear wife will probably only watch EACH TCM MOVIE *ONCE*). I've asked her to replace each *WATCHED* DVD into its vinyl sleeve 'upside down' as a 'marker'.

So, AFAICT, the Meritline album that I missed out on (CD DVD Album, 128 Discs Capacity CD Holder Case for CD, DVD, Blu-Ray Media Storage. Black Color with Handle. Made with Koskin Material) probably would have been ideal...
  • 128 @ $1.99
  • 256 @ $3.98
  • 384 @ $5.97
  • 512 @ $7.96
  • etc....
Thanks!
post #2 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

SUDDENLY, for reasons I cannot ascertain ) started down the ... TCM-track!

SHOCKINGLY, I just hit the *FINAL* cardboard separator in my SEVERAL HUNDRED Vinyl CD/DVD Sleeve box! WHERE DID THEY ALL GO?!?

On top of all this, my dear wife is COMPLAINING that the HUNDRED-PLUS TCM MOVIE DVDs that I painstakingly created for her are 'taking up too much room'!

So..., I did a few SEARCHes on ALBUMS and found the... album that.. DigaDo likes over at supermediastore.com for ~$17. And the... album that Meritline had *ONSALE* for $1.99 a few days ago (MISSED IT! ).

Thus, I'd like to start a CENTRAL THREAD on what CD/DVD ALBUMs AVS Members have used, would recommend *AND* what's currently *ONSALE*.

As for REQUIREMENTS, I'd say just that it hold (and not scratch) the DVD *AND* not fall apart from INFREQUENT use (my dear wife will probably only watch EACH TCM MOVIE *ONCE*). I've asked her to replace each *WATCHED* DVD into its vinyl sleeve 'upside down' as a 'marker'.

So, AFAICT, the Meritline album that I missed out on (CD DVD Album, 128 Discs Capacity CD Holder Case for CD, DVD, Blu-Ray Media Storage. Black Color with Handle. Made with Koskin Material) probably would have been ideal...
  • 128 @ $1.99
  • 256 @ $3.98
  • 384 @ $5.97
  • 512 @ $7.96
  • etc....
Thanks!

I'm posting the most recent photos of my albums ("wallets"). The first photo shows the DVD albums in a five-shelf bookcase measuring 72" high, 36" wide and 14" deep. There are around 6,000 home-recorded DVDs in the pictured albums. The current album, seen in the second photo, has now displaced some of the hymnals on the fourth shelf. It's about time to move all the hymnals (those seen in the photo and around fifty more in my bedroom) to their own dedicated bookcase.

I watch http://www.supermediastore.com/categ...-wallets-cases and http://www.shop4tech.com/z/CD_DVD_Wallets/1_97_284/ for sales of large (but not too large) albums of sturdy construction. I buy when the price is right.

The largest of my albums hold more than 500 DVDs, too heavy and difficult for this "geezer" to place and remove on the shelves from a sitting position. I prefer albums with around 320 capacity.
LL
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post #3 of 39
I like the ~200 disc wallets/albums SuperMediaStore fairly frequently offers on sale. (Off the top of my head, I think my strike price is usually about $8-9 a piece.) The size is about right for pulling off the shelf and taking with me to the media room. It's also reasonable for making a wallet dedicated to a particular genre or group. For example, I have one set aside only for MET opera telecasts, another one for historical documentaries, several set aside for individual TV series, one for audio CDs devoted local Midwest region orchestras, etc.

I used to get sleeves that fit in standard 3-ring binders and hold 8 discs each, but pricewise the SMS wallets are actually cheaper on sale, and they zip up nice and tidy, have carry handles and straps, and don't have the problem of the sleeves sticking out farther than the covers of the binder. So I've been converting over, though I took advantage of the SMS sales so liberally that I pretty much have a lifetime supply of empty wallets.
post #4 of 39
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

I'm posting the most recent photos of my albums ("wallets"). The first photo shows the DVD albums in a five-shelf bookcase measuring 72" high, 36" wide and 14" deep...

Thanks for posting the pictures again - I remember seeing them in the past and appreciate having them available in this 'appropriately-titled' thread.

Regarding the dimensions of your bookcase, I have several of the same size - Saunders, IIRC. I bought them ~20+ years ago, but, it's been difficult finding that size nowadays. 72" high is easy, but ~28" wide and ~11" deep seem to be the new 'norm'.
Recent FW/Staples Bookcase SALE LINK Regarding the bowing of the shelves from the excessive weight, what I recommend is a few SCREWS into the shelves from the back through the pressedboard and centered DOWELS in the front (*BEFORE* the shelves bow, of course! ). Mine have a KICKPLATE, so that the bottom shelf is directly supported by the floor. Therefore, centered DOWELS transmit the weight to the KICKPLATE and avoid/minimize the bowing (My shelves are full of Technical, Programming, Home/Auto Repair manuals, 3-ring binders - 5 FULL bookcases ).

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

...I watch http://www.supermediastore.com/categ...-wallets-cases and http://www.shop4tech.com/z/CD_DVD_Wallets/1_97_284/ for sales of large (but not too large) albums of sturdy construction. I buy when the price is right...

I had pretty much settled on the '328 for ~$17 @ Shop4Tech' (What's YOUR 'Strike Price'?) until I saw the '200 for ~$2 @ Meritline'. (IIRC, quickly looking at the detailed Shop4Tech photos, the vinyl pages all seemed to be the same - punched holes for 2 straps / unpunched holes for a 3-ring binder. Only the # of pages per binder appears to vary.) But, now doswonk1 has my interest with '200 for ~$8 @ SuperMediaStore' - aka '400 for ~$16' - *AND* slightly lighter for the dear wife to handle.
  1. Quote:
    Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

    I like the ~200 disc wallets/albums SuperMediaStore fairly frequently offers on sale. (Off the top of my head, I think my strike price is usually about $8-9 a piece.) The size is about right for pulling off the shelf and taking with me to the media room. It's also reasonable for making a wallet dedicated to a particular genre or group...

  2. Quote:
    Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

    ...The largest of my albums hold more than 500 DVDs, too heavy and difficult for this "geezer" to place and remove on the shelves from a sitting position. I prefer albums with around 320 capacity.

    • Are these 'Strike Prices' something that you have to MANUALLY monitor every day (like the Meritline 'Specials' Page and/or E-Mail)?
      .
    • Do they usually last 24 hours / a few days / a week?
      .
    • How often do they appear?
      .
    • Would you please post them in this thread as you come across them?
Thanks!
post #5 of 39
I've liked a 30 holder dvd case with the brand name Case Logic. Found them at Walmart, and they're nice particularly for home made tv series disc collections I've accumulated. And not too heavy when filled-echoing what Digado said, a 100 capacity binder can be pretty heavy-heavier than a 100 pk spindle, when retrieving from a top closet shelf. What I like most is that the zipper closes the case all the way up without leaving an opening at the top. I also found 100 holder cases from the same company at Best Buy-these cases have nice, leather bands in the spine that the pages are in, allowing you to flip through them without the pages being held too tight, so that sliding out a dvd isn't difficult.
post #6 of 39
A week or two back I found a 96 disc storage system. It's by the Atlantic company and the model is called the "Parade". They can be stacked and I'm looking forward to getting at least a few more. Small, compact, NICE.

You can get them a number of places, and they come in two colors, white and black. They usually run from $15 to $19, so do NOT purchase at the nearly $30 price one place listed.

Here are a few links-

http://www.atlantic-inc.com/products...ck-Binder.html

http://www.atlantic-inc.com/products...te-Binder.html

http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-96635.../dp/B00146E50U

http://www.racksandstands.com/Atlant...96-AL0382.html

http://www.strutmanelectronics.com/a...s-p-96907.html

http://www.strutmanelectronics.com/a...s-p-96906.html

You can also find them at some Staples stores, if not all.
post #7 of 39
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

I like the ~200 disc wallets/albums SuperMediaStore fairly frequently offers on sale. (Off the top of my head, I think my strike price is usually about $8-9 a piece.)...

doswonk1,

Regarding your 'Strike Price', was that Qty:1 or Qty:4-5?

I found:
  1. SuperMediaStore 200 Disc Capacity Fabric CD Wallet Red EMM12200RD
    - Qty: 1 @ $11.19
    - Qty: 4+ @ $8.49
    .
  2. SuperMediaStore 128 Disc Capacity High-Quality Black CD Wallet
    - Qty: 1 @ $11.19
    - Qty: 4+ @ $5.99
    .
  3. SuperMediaStore 48 Disc Fabric Design Black CD Wallet LNJ12048
    - Qty: 1 @ $6.79
    - Qty: 5+ @ $2.99
Based on the comments regarding weight-when-full, I went with #2 to get started. At least I'll free up 512 vinyl sleeves!

NOTE: Since my purchase, yesterday, #1 went 'Out-of-Stock', and #2 went 'Off-Sale'.
post #8 of 39
I was in a Big Lots store today, & found some CD/DVD storage wallets. They had a 32-disk capacity(black vinyl outside, I suppose 16 pages inside, holding 1 disk on each side of each page) for $4. They also had 2 versions of 96-disk capacity- one Sentry brand, combination dull finish vinyl & fabric outside, w/handle, has a "Contents" card inside the front cover, 24 pages, 2 disks each page side; and some other brand, all vinyl outside, no handle. $8 for either, your choice. I bought one of the Sentry 96 versions, & now I'm gonna have to pull a lot of disks out of paper sleeves & put 'em in the new holder. It'll look a lot neater than paper sleeves in a cardboard box!
post #9 of 39
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClearToLand View Post

Regarding your 'Strike Price', was that Qty:1 or Qty:4-5?

I found:[list=1][*]SuperMediaStore 200 Disc Capacity Fabric CD Wallet Red EMM12200RD
- Qty: 1 @ $11.19
- Qty: 4+ @ $8.49

Yep, $8.50 per is a price I like for the 200-disc wallets. I have a few larger capacity wallets, but they're kind of cumbersome. 200-240 capacity work best for me. Actually, I placed a couple more orders than I should have and probably have a lifetime supply of these wallets now. Hope you took advantage of the sale!
post #10 of 39
Meritline has some good deals right now, such as $1.99 for 104 capacity, with handle, using a coupon code, for item # 180-350-001. ( Code: MLC180350110860N ) Several others from 3X thru 96 capacity for ~$2 or less, plus some 3xx capacity for ~$10. Click & Look thru the CD Wallet/DVD Album to see others. Link to the coupon code 104-cap wallet: http://www.meritline.com/104-capacit...q_v=480124debb
post #11 of 39
$12.49(almost 1/2 price) for a 520 capacity Koskin/Black Leather-Like DVD wallet, if you purchase at least 4. Wow, that would be over 2000 total capacity!
Personally I don't like these super big capacity wallets(way too heavy for this guy) but for those of you that do.
http://www.supermediastore.com/produ...2048HR%20Deals!
Through 11/28
post #12 of 39
Heh, saw the same size wallet at a Staples B&M store yesterday for $50+. Told my girlfriend, "Geez, who pays full retail for this stuff anymore?!"
post #13 of 39
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Originally Posted by doswonk1 View Post

.... "Geez, who pays full retail for this stuff anymore?!"

Probably the same people that pay $60 for a 100 spindle of Memorex media(regular price I've seen at some B&M stores)
post #14 of 39
I honestly believe these mass CD/DVD storage wallets contribute to longevity disc problems including disc errors.
Has anyone taken a DVD-R apart? All it is is a thin layer of film with pits filled with colour changing dye bonded between two plastic metal reflective layers
http://www.osta.org/technology/dvdqa/dvdqa13.htm

I don't believe for a second that CD DVD discs were designed to withhold pounds and pounds of discs stacked on top of each other and expected to work perfectly for years to come. To me this is no different than stacking hundreds of VHS tapes on top of each other expecting the VHS tapes to keep working, even after 20 years of such horrid storage conditions.

Each to his/her own methods but I have CD-Rs dating back over a decade and they still work. I have a few DVD-Rs as old as 2004, that's almost seven years old and they still read fine.
post #15 of 39
You don't stack them on top of each other, you put them on shelves on edge, like books.
post #16 of 39
Yeah kjbawc, I know you're supposed to put the case away in a vertical position like a book. But from the pictures I see it seems like you need to set the disc wallet flat in a horizontal position when flipping through them looking for a disc to play. Correct me if I'm wrong.

If I'm right however, then that's 260 discs per side stacked on top of each other every time you flip through them looking for a disc.

I'm going to use myself as an example here. I would need one 520-disc case for my CDs and one 520-disc case for my DVDs.

I have approximately 500 CDs and on the average every second day I select a disc to bring in the van. So I would need to open the 520-CD wallet every second day and flip through the CDs. Take that over 10 years and that's laying the CD case flat horizontally and picking through the CDs 1,825 over ten years.

Once I have all my VHS and Beta concerts dubbed over to DVD-R, I will have approximately 500 discs (and adding weekly) I play a few concert-discs every week. Take that over 10 years and that's laying the DVD case flat horizontally and picking through the DVDs 1,217 in a ten year period.

See, I don't just record and store my discs.
I actually play them.
LL
post #17 of 39
Sorry that I misunderstood you. Personally, I don't use the wallets. But, I don't think that lying them flat for a short amount of time, while getting a disc out, presents a real hazard. I'd worry much more about sliding discs in and out of the pockets. If they have picked up any foreign substances, that can cause abrasions or scratches.
post #18 of 39
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Originally Posted by Super Eye View Post

...I know you’re supposed to put the case away in a vertical position like a book. But from the pictures I see it seems like you need to set the disc wallet flat in a horizontal position when flipping through them looking for a disc to play...

If I’m right however, then that’s 260 discs per side stacked on top of each other every time you flip through them looking for a disc.

I’m going to use myself as an example here. I would need one 520-disc case for my CDs and one 520-disc case for my DVDs.

I have approximately 500 CDs and on the average every second day I select a disc to bring in the van. So I would need to open the 520-CD wallet every second day and flip through the CDs. Take that over 10 years and that’s laying the CD case flat horizontally and picking through the CDs 1,825 over ten years.

Once I have all my VHS and Beta concerts dubbed over to DVD-R, I will have approximately 500 discs (and adding weekly) I play a few concert-discs every week. Take that over 10 years and that’s laying the DVD case flat horizontally and picking through the DVDs 1,217 in a ten year period...

My home-recorded, time-shifted archive has more than 6,000 DVDs. I use a customized MS Works database to keep track of disc content. Each DVD is assigned a disc number based upon finalizing date and order. The third DVD finalized today is 101123C. The DVDs are accessioned according to that number and the albums are labeled with a date range.

I don't have to flip through album pages to find what I want.

It takes around a minute to locate a specific title in my database, pull the album, pull the DVD from the album, place the DVD in the DVD player and start watching the desired title.
post #19 of 39
I like to group my DVDs by program type, which is one reason I prefer smaller sizes. ~100 in a two per side/4 per page is my favorite size. Unfortunately when it comes to TV on DVD I've got well over 100 so I need to use a 256 4 per side/8 per page wallet. I dread when I need to flip through that wallet, I could only imagine one that was double it's size
When my TV on DVD wallet exceeds it's current 256 size I'll just have to start sorting things further, such as Sci-Fi, Western, Action, etc. Then I'll be able to go back to my preferred 100 wallets
BTW Super eye when you think about the bottom DVD of a 100 spindle I'd think it would have similar downward pressure as this wallet. Actually this wallet would have 125 DVDs on top of each other(4 per page X 125=500). My god this thing must be very heavy when full, like 5 full spindles
post #20 of 39
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Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

BTW Super eye when you think about the bottom DVD of a 100 spindle I'd think it would have similar downward pressure as this wallet. Actually this wallet would have 125 DVDs on top of each other(4 per page X 125=500). My god this thing must be very heavy when full, like 5 full spindles

I stay away from the 100 spindles for that very reason. The weight is bad enough with the 50 spindles, that's what I buy for economy reasons. In fact you just gave me an idea. I have one unopened 50 spindle and one opened 50 spindle of AZOs. As soon as I'm done posting this, I'm going open the 50 spindle and take 25 discs out and place them in an empty spindle I have.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

My home-recorded, time-shifted archive has more than 6,000 DVDs. I use a customized MS Works database to keep track of disc content. Each DVD is assigned a disc number based upon finalizing date and order. The third DVD finalized today is 101123C. The DVDs are accessioned according to that number and the albums are labeled with a date range.

I also have a custom database of my recordings. I wonder if it would be a good idea to start a thread on custom databases? It would be interesting to see what everyone uses.
post #21 of 39
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...&postcount=187
Bill, that Meritline 520 wallet looks nice, I bought a similar one at SMS for $21 but the promo code I had was for a BOGO so $21/2 was better than $15/1, if you needed 2 anyway. Without the promo code the Meritline wallet looks like the way to go!
post #22 of 39
which are the ones that allow you to remove a page/insert a page?
post #23 of 39
http://www.meritline.com/520-cds-dvd...--p-22079.aspx

guys, what do you think of this one?
post #24 of 39
Thread Starter 
billmich,

Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

...that Meritline 520 wallet looks nice, I bought a similar one at SMS for $21 but...

IME, back when I started this thread (and with a 'Quick Glance' just now), the *GOTCHA* with Meritline is, while MANY of their 'Daily Specials' have FREE SHIPPING, the CD/DVD cases do not!

For NJ, this added ~$8/13/21/27 to the price of 1/2/3/4 case(s) - just FYI...
post #25 of 39
Good point, I always manage to get free shipping with SMS by making my total order >$50 which is easy to do when purchasing spindles of media And while SMS's regular price may be more than Meritline SMS regularly has items on sale which make them cheaper than Meritline. SMS wallets are one thing that go on sale often and have a large markdown. Can't get much better than 2 for 1 which is what I got my 520 wallets for
Oh billmich, my wallet does not have removable pages, for me it's not a big deal but if you really want that feature you'll need to look at a different wallet.
CTL, I was wondering if resurrecting this thread would get your attention haven't seen you around for a while.....but this thread seemed the perfect place for billmich to discuss DVD wallets
post #26 of 39
post #27 of 39
what about these guys?

http://www.cdwalletsdirect.com/catal...eries-336.html

maybe they are my ticket because of the removable pages? (my collection is sports, filed chronologically, so if i get a new event that's "in the middle" i don't want to shift around hundreds of discs)

let me know
post #28 of 39
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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

your 1st link didn't work for me

If that's a reply to my amazon.com links, the first one works as well as the second. They're actually the same type of storage. It's just that one of them is black and the other white in color.

The Amazon price on these is the best I've seen from various sources. In that sense, they're "on sale".
post #29 of 39
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

...CTL, I was wondering if resurrecting this thread would get your attentionhaven't seen you around for a while.....but this thread seemed the perfect place for billmich to discuss DVD wallets

Hey 'jj',

Thanks for the 'Greeting / Acknowledgement' - I customarily visit (i.e. LURK ) several forums pretty-much daily, where I was previously, over the past several years, either rather active and/or created FAQs, just for the knowledge / 'Entertainment Value' . Although I never considered myself anywhere near a 'Guru' regarding DVDRs, I certainly do enjoy reading the comparisons between my 'ReplayTV / TiVo (non-HD)' aficionados and the 'Diehard DVDR' fans here - IMHO, until the ATSC SD 480p tuner DVDRs, ReplayTV/TiVo was *SO* much superior (Theme Channels, Season Passes & ACTUAL Titles vs Date/Time ala the old VCR mode)! (*UNLESS* you needed to regularly burn DVDs - where you then needed the "PC-Interface" and a 'few more steps'...). While the ReplayTV 'MPEG Encoding' (STD or MED - my Series 1 TiVo has been 'idle' for a few years now...) can still do a VERY respectable job on an EXTERNAL SD/HD line input, its built-in NTSC ANALOG tuner pales in comparison. In most aspects of my life, I tend to QUICKLY develop a disdain for repeating myself - thus, my absence after an (usually INTENSE) 'Active Participation / Creating FAQs' period.

IMHO, this forum had been somewhat 'quiet / lacking' recently for a while during CitiBear's voluntary absence. But since he's returned, I'm once again learning all sorts of DVDR history. It's DEFINITELY preferable to have a *BALANCED* discussion.

[Swapping surge suppressors for a snowy picture? ]

Quote:
Originally Posted by jjeff View Post

......Good point, I always manage to get free shipping with SMS by making my total order >$50 which is easy to do when purchasing spindles of media And while SMS's regular price may be more than Meritline SMS regularly has items on sale which make them cheaper than Meritline. SMS wallets are one thing that go on sale often and have a large markdown. Can't get much better than 2 for 1 which is what I got my 520 wallets for

Based on the observations of others in this thread, I decided that SMS's "50% OFF w/*FREE* Shipping - *WITHOUT* the $50 minimum!" was the deal to watch out for.
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billmich,

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Originally Posted by billmich View Post

http://www.meritline.com/520-cds-dvd...--p-22079.aspx

guys, what do you think of this one?

A couple of comments:
  1. When transitioning your LINK from the 'other' thread to this one, you can't JUST copy the LINK 'TEXT' (vBulletin will replace the middle text of a 'Long' LINK with an Ellipsis / 3 Periods - AFAIK, it will NOT replace what is perceives as actual TEXT - i.e. using the TAG URL format) - you have to copy the 'behind-the-scenes' *REAL* LINK URL. (i.e. Your LINK is NG! )
    .
  2. Before investing in a 500+ Capacity CD/DVD Case:
    1. I suggest getting a fairly strong shopping bag (i.e. the 'Green ' re-usable kind with the flat cardboard bottom for grocery shopping), load 5-6 100 DVD or CD spindles into it, and then, with your *BEST* arm FULLY EXTENDED, try lifting it off the floor.
    2. Next, weigh yourself on your bathroom scale WITH and WITHOUT the bag of 5-6 100 DVD or CD spindles.
    3. Finally, look earlier in this thread at the picture of DigaDo's (probably particleboard) bookcase (Post #2)and how much it's SAGGING!
      - I had this same problem with several Saunder's bookcases that I had loaded up with textbooks. My solution (since my bookcases *DID* have a kickboard which was in contact with the floor) was to (with the NEW bookcase *EMPTY*):
      • Be sure to attach the fiberboard back and then DRILL holes and INSERT screws HORIZONTALLY into *EACH* shelf @ ~6-12" intervals.
      • (Assuming that there is already a KICKBOARD at the bottom of the bookcase in contact with both the bottom shelf and the floor):
        1. At the FRONT / CENTER of the TOP and BOTTOM of each shelf, countersink a 1/2" wide x 1/16-1/8" deep hole.
        2. Purchase a 'sufficient length' of 1/2" dowel.
        3. Cut pieces of the 1/2" dowel to the length between the shelves PLUS 1/8-1/4" (for the two 1/16-1/8" countersinks).
        4. Stain and varnish/polyurethane the dowels to 'match' the bookcase.
        5. Insert the 'prepared' dowels into the 'prepared' slots.
      This should 'counter' most of the sag .

    Good Luck!
post #30 of 39
the link works for me....
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