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post #91 of 132
Thanks for detailed reply airric. I'm trying to decide the best way fir my customers to access music using g! I'm a big Request guy and while realize these are two very different price points I can't see my customers dragging a folder(I'm assuming you mean at the folder level) to an internal or NAS drive. How about the iPort option? Any experience with that yet? Also, I'm wondering if g! Supports the new IP iPort (fs23) instead of the 22(rs232)?

Cheers
post #92 of 132
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You theoretically could point to the location of your iTunes folder where your XML file is located, but typically this is on your local computer. This may be an issue if this machine is not on all the time or if your machine is a laptop that isn't always physically on the network (take it to work, school, etc.).

Unfortunately, Apple shut the door hard on the automation world with the latest Apple TV 2, so there is no integration with them no matter which automation system you use.

Thank you Eric. I plan on having a home server for photos, movies and music which I am hoping the HC 12 would be able to access.
Getting excited about completing my new home in two months.
post #93 of 132
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Originally Posted by philg5140 View Post

Thanks for detailed reply airric. I'm trying to decide the best way fir my customers to access music using g! I'm a big Request guy and while realize these are two very different price points I can't see my customers dragging a folder(I'm assuming you mean at the folder level) to an internal or NAS drive. How about the iPort option? Any experience with that yet? Also, I'm wondering if g! Supports the new IP iPort (fs23) instead of the 22(rs232)?

Cheers

Sorry for the extremely long delay getting back to this thread, been a hectic month.

As far as the choice between using the g! Media server solution or integrating g! with a standalone media server like Request, it will all depend upon each client. Both solutions have their pluses and minuses. Simply from the end user interface on the g! side, both will look identical. The biggest difference is how you get to the end product. The Request will typically be much easier for the end user to consolidate their media but much more expensive to implement. The g! solution will be more involving for the end user, but much more cost effective. It's up to you and I as integrators to qualify each client to see what the best solution is for each.

As far as iPort, the FS22 is obviously supported and works well in the systems I've used it in. As of right now, they have not updated the driver for the new IP based FS23.
post #94 of 132
Hey guys: slightly OT but I need suggestions:

I want to replace an old Elan HD2000 system and have been looking at several multiroom systems including Russound and Elan: currently the Elan S86P X2 is at the top of my list

My needs are:

6 input sources
12 output zones audio only: I have amps so only need a preamp
using RTI RK3 touchpads: IR is fed direct to zone inputs/ also send RS232 commands from XP8
Doorbell tone generator required
must be compatible with RTI 2 way drivers (S86 is compatible)
prefer ethernet interface but RS232 is OK

my other choice is the Russound E with an expansion module series but it is a lot more expensive and requires all new programming. Or wait for RTI AD8

any comments or other suggestions?

TIA
post #95 of 132
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Originally Posted by markrubin View Post

Hey guys: slightly OT but I need suggestions:

I want to replace an old Elan HD2000 system and have been looking at several multiroom systems including Russound and Elan: currently the Elan S86P X2 is at the top of my list

My needs are:

6 input sources
12 output zones audio only: I have amps so only need a preamp
using RTI RK3 touchpads: IR is fed direct to zone inputs/ also send RS232 commands from XP8
Doorbell tone generator required
must be compatible with RTI 2 way drivers (S86 is compatible)
prefer ethernet interface but RS232 is OK

my other choice is the Russound E with an expansion module series but it is a lot more expensive and requires all new programming. Or wait for RTI AD8

any comments or other suggestions?

TIA

I would go for Elan , nice Ã* simple programing, and you can easy upgrade to Elan G! And Controll all your gear With your IPhone ,iPod, iPad.

/JJ
post #96 of 132
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Originally Posted by Jannejansson View Post

I would go for Elan , nice Ã* simple programing, and you can easy upgrade to Elan G! And Controll all your gear With your IPhone ,iPod, iPad.

/JJ

Thanks

I ordered the Elan S86P and bought a used Z600

I just set up the new RTI iPad app so I am good (very nice app)
post #97 of 132
Good choice Mark, the S86P is a very flexible unit that works with more than just it's own control system (g!). It will allow you to do video switching in the future for cameras or video preview. Plus it can be stacked all the way out to 24 zones.
post #98 of 132
Some professional advice is hereby sought from people who are familiar with both HAI and Elan systems. All comments, advise and criticism are welcome.

I presently use HAI + Russound + Centralite + AppleTV for some of my installations, but total integration of all these elements is very difficult, as I can't get things to really work the way I like. I've been considering moving to C4 or Elan but I seem to be sold on Elan.

So far, I'm happy with Centralite for lighting, though the keypad looks cheap but the overall price point looks ok. I also want to retain HAI for security and alarm system, as I love the expansion panels which allow me to do lots of things such as Generator ATS control, which is mostly far from the main building.

I want to do away with Russound for Audio and Video because it does not give me the level of integration cum user interface I want with HAI. It creates keypad litters which server no other function aside the source control.

I would love to go with Elan for Touchscreens, Multiroom Audio and Video, Smart media sources, etc because of being able to use any of their interface to control any of the subsystems.It seem Elan can tie everything together into one intuitive interface, which is very hard to achieve with HAI.

From the foregoing, I have the following questions to ask:

1. Can I integration the Elan G! completely with HAI? The only thing I saw on HAI connectivity page about Elan is the VIA touchscreen and the SC-4 controller. Is there a two way integration between the HAI Omnipro and the Elan G! controllers?

2. I know that Centralite is a connectivity partner to Elan, is there any limitations in their integration?

3. Is there any possibility of integrating AppleTV/XBMC with Elan with full metadata? Is Elan discontinuing their VIA DJ line of products because it seems not be on their website unless through a search? What is the best way to do local Video streaming (may from a NAS) with Elan? Kaleidescape seems to be on the high side.

4. How customizable is the Elan Touchscreen? I understand it is a little static (when compare to the like of Crestron), but is it as customizable as HAI omnitouch IP touchscreen using Automation Studio? How does Automation Studio compare to the TS configurator?

5. How does thermostat interface with Elan controller? Is it through the sense input? Is it possible to connect thermostat to HAI panel and then integrate with Elan?

6. What is the criteria to becoming an Elan Dealer?

Thanking everyone to our responses.
post #99 of 132
We have tried to set up my system this way but so far we haven't had any luck getting it to import my iTunes playlists. I'd really like this to work because I find Elan's built-in methods for building and editing playlists to not fit my needs. (I'd like to be able to come across a song while it's playing and add it to a playlist on the fly. But all you can do is convert your entire Now Playing list to a playlist, or save it into an existing playlist. What I've actually done is built an iTunes library on my NAS drive for the dedicated purpose of providing content for the Elan music server. (i.e. it isn't a copy of my desktop library.) And I had the installer point the source folder to the iTunes library folder and also point to the iTunes XML file in that folder. But so far it hasn't picked up my iTunes playlists. Do you have any hints for me?
post #100 of 132

Ddurkee,

 

Any luck with this? I have been trying to set this up for a week. I get all the music and playlists to come in, but when I play the songs, it just bounces down the list,, not playing any of them.

post #101 of 132
No, I gave up on trying to get it to import iTunes playlists. I haven't seen any evidence that it even tries.
post #102 of 132

Bummer.

 

Elan says it will, just not having any luck. going to keep trying, their tech support is closed today. I will post back if I ever figure it out.

post #103 of 132
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

From the foregoing, I have the following questions to ask:

I can give you some answers.
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

1. Can I integration the Elan G! completely with HAI? The only thing I saw on HAI connectivity page about Elan is the VIA touchscreen and the SC-4 controller. Is there a two way integration between the HAI Omnipro and the Elan G! controllers?

The most recent docs say that a network connection is NOT supported BUT they say the same about ELK and a network connection works with ELK so it might work with HAI.

Most lighting features are supported but certain information must be entered manually (information about keypads and scenes).

Wired OmniStat (1 and 2) thermostats are the only ones supported when connected to the HAI panel. Some features are not supported (humidity control, history display).
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

2. I know that Centralite is a connectivity partner to Elan, is there any limitations in their integration?

The only system currently listed is Jetstream RF - there are no reported unsupported features.
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

3. Is there any possibility of integrating AppleTV/XBMC with Elan with full metadata? Is Elan discontinuing their VIA DJ line of products because it seems not be on their website unless through a search? What is the best way to do local Video streaming (may from a NAS) with Elan? Kaleidescape seems to be on the high side.

Don't know - sorry - don't use Apple products.
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

4. How customizable is the Elan Touchscreen? I understand it is a little static (when compare to the like of Crestron), but is it as customizable as HAI omnitouch IP touchscreen using Automation Studio? How does Automation Studio compare to the TS configurator?

It is NOT totally configurable as, say, Crestron. It is in the same class as Automation Studio but, IMO, easier to configure. The focus is on simple configuration and functionality as opposed to total graphic freedom.
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

5. How does thermostat interface with Elan controller? Is it through the sense input? Is it possible to connect thermostat to HAI panel and then integrate with Elan?

You can connect HAI OmniStat (1 and 2) thermostats directly to the Elan controller via a serial port (networked serial ports work too). It works well IMO. You still don't get humidity control but you do get history display. You don't get access to any external sensors connected to the thermostats.
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Originally Posted by donwhale View Post

6. What is the criteria to becoming an Elan Dealer?

Visit the web site:

http://www.elanhomesystems.com/become_a_dealer.asp


It you need more information I will do my best to get you answers.
post #104 of 132
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Originally Posted by bamill111 View Post

Bummer.

Elan says it will, just not having any luck. going to keep trying, their tech support is closed today. I will post back if I ever figure it out.

I don't use iTunes very often but I do have a Elan HC4 - I will give it a try also.
post #105 of 132

From the integration note...

 

In the Configurator, go to the Content tab and add a new Audio Library Share Folder: d. Set the name to “iTunes”. e. Set the “Path- Music Files” field to point to the iTunes Media folder within iTunes using the following format: \\computername\sharename\iTunes Media, where “computername” is the UNC network name of the computer upon which iTunes resides, and “sharename” is the name given to the iTunes folder when it was shared. f. Set the “Path- iTunes XML” field to point to the root of the share you created above, \\computername\sharename, as this is where the iTunes Library.xml file should reside in a default installation. g. The username and password authentication feature is unsupported. Protected shares SHOULD NOT BE USED and are not supported at this time. h. See Adding Network Shares To An HC Controller above for more details on adding a network share and specific network share requirements, such as 24/7 access.

post #106 of 132
OK a simple iTunes library (I only purchased one album for testing) with playlists is working for me on my HC4 - I followed the instructions in the Elan integration note.

I first created a share on my PC (running Win7) and created the iTunes library there. I set the permissions as open as I know how but the HC4 could not access it.

So then I created a share on my Netgear Duo NAS and created the iTunes library there. This the HC4 could access - I was able to access and play individual tracks and well as playlists.

On the HC4 I am running: Version 6.3 Build 52.0 Rel, OS 6.0.14 : (IR Engine 1:0:2:3)
post #107 of 132

Very interesting. I have tried that exact setup, but no luck. Only difference is I am on 6.4.... Just tried to back rev and doesn't look like I can do it.

post #108 of 132
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Originally Posted by bamill111 View Post

Very interesting. I have tried that exact setup, but no luck. Only difference is I am on 6.4.... Just tried to back rev and doesn't look like I can do it.

What sort of problems do you encounter?

When trying to use the PC as the source I got an error as soon as I tried to add that share as content to the HC4.

Once I got the share on the NAS to work as content on the HC4, everything else worked without issue.

I'm not at all familiar with iTunes but I saw no way to direct iTunes to use the NAS for the entire iTunes "library" so I had to resort to creating it on my PC and then copying it to the NAS.

I found where could tell iTunes where the actual media files were to be found and when I moved them to the NAS that worked, but files like the "iTunes Music Library.xml" remained on the PC.
post #109 of 132

Can you Screen shot your configurator Audio Share Folder Config page?

post #110 of 132

For me it pulls in all of the music and playlists, but when you try to play them, the play just skips through them all.

 

 

With the iTunes.xml file on your PC you were still getting playlists?

post #111 of 132
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Originally Posted by bamill111 View Post

For me it pulls in all of the music and playlists, but when you try to play them, the play just skips through them all.


With the iTunes.xml file on your PC you were still getting playlists?

For the first test I copied the entire iTunes folder (and all sub-folders) to the NAS - which naturally included the XML file.

I had initially created just 2 playlists in iTunes and after I had done the complete folder copy (and told Elan to do a scan) then Elan displayed and played them without issue.

Then when I found the setting in iTunes to specify where the media files were to be found I tried that. I deleted the media files on the PC and pointed iTunes to the media files on the NAS.

iTunes found the media files on the NAS and played them without issue but it still kept updating the XML file (and I assume all the other non-media files) on the PC.

Then in iTunes I added a 3rd playlist - I could tell from the time stamp on the XML files that iTunes was only updating the local one on the PC.

Elan did not display the 3rd playlist until I copied the XML file to the NAS - I copied all of the other files in that folder as well since I don't have a clue what they do or if Elan needs them.

Some testing should show if Elan needs anything besides the XML file.
post #112 of 132
That all makes sense and is exactly how it is supposed to work... again my only thought is different software versions. Both systems I have tried this with were on 6.4.
post #113 of 132
Just FYI there is an option to backup your configuration as well as the core files for the current version if you ever want to be able to go back to an older version - at least that's the theory.
post #114 of 132
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Originally Posted by bamill111 View Post

That all makes sense and is exactly how it is supposed to work... again my only thought is different software versions. Both systems I have tried this with were on 6.4.

On a hunch I went to the NAS just and changed the name of the folder where the media files were.

I was sure that Elan would not be able to find them AND the result was what you described

I selected a playlist and when I went hit play each item in the list was briefly highlighted. I assume that Elan tried to play the file, couldn't find it and quickly went on to the next. There were no "errors" of any sort.
post #115 of 132
I also forgot to mention that Elan is not displaying any album artwork.
post #116 of 132

Ok,

 

Realized I had a client on 6.3 with a NAS, remoted in, copied my test iTunes folder over and same thing happened. So... what is the file structure you used and the process was to create a new iTunes and then copy it over?

post #117 of 132
OK follow up on album artwork:

A closer reading of the Elan integration note made it clear that I had to add a file named "folder.jpg" to each music folder. When I did that it worked. Though why Elan cannot get the artwork from the file tags I don't know.
post #118 of 132

Still no luck. Created a new iTunes library etc. Could you post your XML file?

post #119 of 132
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Originally Posted by bamill111 View Post

Ok,

Realized I had a client on 6.3 with a NAS, remoted in, copied my test iTunes folder over and same thing happened. So... what is the file structure you used and the process was to create a new iTunes and then copy it over?

I had installed iTunes on my PC to update my iPad. SInce I don't use iTunes for much I just went with the default install of iTunes and didn't pay much attention if there were any options.

In any case under "My Music" folder it created a "iTunes" folder.

Under that it created folders:
"Album Artwork" (with a bunch of folders under that)
"ITunes Media"

In the "iTunes" folder there were files:
iTunes Library Extras.itdb
iTunes Library Genius.itdb
iTunes Library.itl
ITunes Music Library.xml

Under the "ITunes Media" folder it created folders:
"Automatically Add to iTunes" (empty)
"Downloads" (empty)
"Music"

I purchased one album for testing from the iTunes store and it was downloaded to my PC.

Under the "Music" folder it created a folder for albums by the artist, using the artist name for the folder name.

Under that folder it created a folder for the album, using the title of the album for the folder name.

And in that folder were all of the .M4A files from the album, named according to the track and song name.

On the NAS I created a new share named "iTunes". I gave it R/W access and "Guest" access.

I copied the entire contents (files and sub-folders) of the folder "iTunes" to the new share.
post #120 of 132
iTunesMusicLibrary.xml 53k .xml file

Here is the XML that was last used (and it worked)

This is AFTER I configured iTunes to access the media files on the NAS. There are some oddly formed references to the NAS in the file.

But iTunes and Elan can play the tracks from the album without issue.
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