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post #5071 of 5438
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

There are two fully wireless solutions (for the 360):

1) The tritton warheads, which at $299, are outrageously expensive for how mediocre they sound.
2) The TB XP400s are also wireless, a lot less expensive ($199) and also feature mediocre sound, in a different way. They're fully wireless through a Bluetooth dongle that plugs into your controller, although I found the voice quality to be questionable.

I really wanted a fully wireless solution, but the compromises were just too great. You can find much better gear for much less if you can tolerate the chat cable. Or just play more ps3 games, most headsets that require the chat cable for 360 are fully wireless on ps3.

Won't be doing PS3, so I guess I'll have to live with a chat cable, hopefully there are some solutions that have a better quality cable than the x41's...I didn't do too much damage to them, maybe they got a bit tangled up but to short out with that is kind of weak. What chat cable solutions are tops?
post #5072 of 5438
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Originally Posted by chrisjmccord View Post

Won't be doing PS3, so I guess I'll have to live with a chat cable, hopefully there are some solutions that have a better quality cable than the x41's...I didn't do too much damage to them, maybe they got a bit tangled up but to short out with that is kind of weak. What chat cable solutions are tops?

I'm pretty sure its a standard 2.5mm to 2.5mm cable. Im sure you can find them anywhere. Maybe they have a military grade one on monoprice, although they're prob like 50 cents each anyway.
post #5073 of 5438
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

I'm pretty sure its a standard 2.5mm to 2.5mm cable. Im sure you can find them anywhere. Maybe they have a military grade one on monoprice, although they're prob like 50 cents each anyway.

Actually, it's probably a 3.5mm to 2.5mm cable which is ridiculously hard to find, especially at a reasonable price. Monoprice doesn't even sell them, and that's what they use on their own headset. The best/cheapest option is really to get a 3.5mm cable and a 3.5->2.5mm adapter.
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The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need toy. I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow email support, I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.
Edited by digiTaL wiZ - 1/17/13 at 1:23am
post #5075 of 5438
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Originally Posted by digiTaL wiZ View Post

The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need b!tch lol! I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow azz email support sh!t, I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.

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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Astro did make a change to the A40 design, in 2011, that included thicker foam cups to increase bass response by about 20%. Keep in mind I have older pre-2011 A40s, that have less bass and focus more on mids & highs. I've listened to the A40 vs PC360 back to back and without a doubt, both headsets are more precise than the A50. The A50 is the headset that was muffled and bass heavy in my experience. It sounds like your experience was the opposite of mine.

The PC360 was the most accurate and precise of any headset I've used. Im using a 2 year old mixamp 5.8 that I preordered in 2010 when they first announced. It was literally one of the first 5.8 models to ship. I dont believe the Mixamp 5.8 has been changed at all in its lifecycle. But the Mixamp "Pro" was changed atleast twice, possibly 3 times.

I also agree with the preference for an open design headset. It lets me easily hear my phone ringing, girlfriend nagging and all the other non-important sounds when gaming smile.gif

The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need lol! I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow azz email support , I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.
post #5076 of 5438
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Keep in mind the Mixamp sold on Amazon is the *PRO* model, not the *Wireless 5.8* mixamp. Meaning there are 4 permanent cable connections tethering you to the Xbox360 and controller. 1 for power, 1 for optical in the rear of the unit. 1 for controller, 1 for headset in the front of the unit. And the headset output actually uses ANOTHER Y-splitter for the seperate headphone & mic connections required by the PC360 headset. As you can imagine its a pretty messy solution and you will have cables all over the place. Its really unfortunate that Astro has stopped selling the wireless 5.8 mixamp.

But theres no denying at $300.. the PC360+Mixamp is the clearest, most accurate and "reasonable" surround sound w/gamechat setup you can buy for the 360. Its disappointing that you seem to have ran into the same issues I did, where neither the A50 nor Warhead provided a satisfactory wireless solution. I dont think you will have any issues with Astro issuing a refund, its just you have to work thru their silly azz EMAIL ONLY customer service system to get the proper return authorization. I almost forgot how sucky that experience is, until I recently bought/returned an extra mixamp 5.8 RX unit (yes, they still those).

I'd advise anyone in the future to use BestBuy or Amazon when buying Astro products, just so you can avoid the above experience. Also if you buy Astro products through Best Buy you avoid paying shipping costs, have a much quicker/easier route for returns & refunds.. and dont have to worry about the long 7 wait day for Astro's ground shipped products to arrive on the East Coast.

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Originally Posted by digiTaL wiZ View Post

The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need b!tch lol! I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow azz email support sh!t, I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.
post #5077 of 5438
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

Keep in mind the Mixamp sold on Amazon is the *PRO* model, not the *Wireless 5.8* mixamp. Meaning there are 4 permanent cable connections tethering you to the Xbox360 and controller. 1 for power, 1 for optical in the rear of the unit. 1 for controller, 1 for headset in the front of the unit. And the headset output actually uses ANOTHER Y-splitter for the seperate headphone & mic connections required by the PC360 headset. As you can imagine its a pretty messy solution and you will have cables all over the place. Its really unfortunate that Astro has stopped selling the wireless 5.8 mixamp.

But theres no denying at $300.. the PC360+Mixamp is the clearest, most accurate and "reasonable" surround sound w/gamechat setup you can buy for the 360. Its disappointing that you seem to have ran into the same issues I did, where neither the A50 nor Warhead provided a satisfactory wireless solution. I dont think you will have any issues with Astro issuing a refund, its just you have to work thru their silly azz EMAIL ONLY customer service system to get the proper return authorization. I almost forgot how sucky that experience is, until I recently bought/returned an extra mixamp 5.8 RX unit (yes, they still those).

I'd advise anyone in the future to use BestBuy or Amazon when buying Astro products, just so you can avoid the above experience. Also if you buy Astro products through Best Buy you avoid paying shipping costs, have a much quicker/easier route for returns & refunds.. and dont have to worry about the long 7 wait day for Astro's ground shipped products to arrive on the East Coast.
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Originally Posted by digiTaL wiZ View Post

The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need toy. I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow email support, I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.
post #5078 of 5438
Hey guys, need some help with my setup. When I first got into Xbox gaming, I bought the Tritton AX 720s ($130) and they served me pretty well for a while ,although the headset itself was a little tight on my big head. In August 2011, I decided to upgrade to the Sennheiser PC 360s ($200). Unfortunately, even though I got sound into the headset I could not get the mic to work with the AX 720 decoder box. So, I then purchased the Astro Mixamp 5.8 ($125 back when they were still selling them as a separate unit). So at this point, I was into it for about $455 although I could sell my AX 720s and try to recoup some of that ... but I digress.

The PC 360s worked great with the Mixamp 5.8 for a while. Then, a few months ago seemingly out of the blue I began having issues with my microphone. Friends on Xbox Live began complaining about my voice being too low and cutting in and out. After some research, it seems like others were also having a similar issue with some Mixamps and a "feature" called 'noise gate'. Apparently, this noise gate is supposed to help the Mixamp drown out background noise but coupled with the noise-cancelling mic on the PC 360s seems to cause issues. But not in every case.
  • The PC 360 mic sounds fine when plugged directly into my PC, but I cannot get it working properly on my Xbox.
  • The old Tritton mic sounds fine when hooked up to the Mixamp/Xbox so the Mixamp appears to be working properly.
  • Astro customer support won't do anything for me because I'm out of my warranty on my Mixamp. They are fixing the noise gate issues by updating the firmware for the 2013 Mixamps, but they have not indicated any fixes for older Mixamps.
  • I have an email in to Sennheiser to see if they would be willing to evaluate the issue and/or offer me a replacement. But I'm not sure it's a headset issue.

So, it seems like there may be a compatibility issue with the PC 360 and some Mixamps. I thought I was purchasing the best products available when I decided on the PC 360 and the Mixamp 5.8 and I'm already in $455 so I'm not thrilled about throwing more money at this ... however, I will if it means I can get things working again.

My options;
$125 ... purchase a new Mixamp 2013 with hopes that the new firmware will fix the noise gate. Since I'm not thrilled with Astro customer support, I'm not sure that I want to purchase anything else from them at this point.
$75 ... purchase a DSS2 sound processor, which would require some additional cabling to get chat working. This doesn't make me happy either because it seems to be a more cluttered solution
$60 ... purchase a new Rx unit for my Mixamp to see if it solves the problems.
$200-$250+ ... purchase a new headset, Turtle Beach 'Seven' series comes out soon, or look into other options

At this point, I am getting quite frustrated so I'm looking for any suggestions that might help guide me to a working solution that won't cost me an arm + leg. Thanks in advance
Edited by Biggrich76 - 1/17/13 at 9:36am
post #5079 of 5438
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Originally Posted by Biggrich76 View Post

Hey guys, need some help with my setup. When I first got into Xbox gaming, I bought the Tritton AX 720s ($130) and they served me pretty well for a while ,although the headset itself was a little tight on my big head. In August 2011, I decided to upgrade to the Sennheiser PC 360s ($200). Unfortunately, even though I got sound into the headset I could not get the mic to work with the AX 720 decoder box. So, I then purchased the Astro Mixamp 5.8 ($125 back when they were still selling them as a separate unit). So at this point, I was into it for about $455 although I could sell my AX 720s and try to recoup some of that ... but I digress.

The PC 360s worked great with the Mixamp 5.8 for a while. Then, a few months ago seemingly out of the blue I began having issues with my microphone. Friends on Xbox Live began complaining about my voice being too low and cutting in and out. After some research, it seems like others were also having a similar issue with some Mixamps and a "feature" called 'noise gate'. Apparently, this noise gate is supposed to help the Mixamp drown out background noise but coupled with the noise-cancelling mic on the PC 360s seems to cause issues. But not in every case.
  • The PC 360 mic sounds fine when plugged directly into my PC, but I cannot get it working properly on my Xbox.
  • The old Tritton mic sounds fine when hooked up to the Mixamp/Xbox so the Mixamp appears to be working properly.
  • Astro customer support won't do anything for me because I'm out of my warranty on my Mixamp. They are fixing the noise gate issues by updating the firmware for the 2013 Mixamps, but they have not indicated any fixes for older Mixamps.
  • I have an email in to Sennheiser to see if they would be willing to evaluate the issue and/or offer me a replacement. But I'm not sure it's a headset issue.

So, it seems like there may be a compatibility issue with the PC 360 and some Mixamps. I thought I was purchasing the best products available when I decided on the PC 360 and the Mixamp 5.8 and I'm already in $455 so I'm not thrilled about throwing more money at this ... however, I will if it means I can get things working again.

My options;
$125 ... purchase a new Mixamp 2013 with hopes that the new firmware will fix the noise gate. Since I'm not thrilled with Astro customer support, I'm not sure that I want to purchase anything else from them at this point.
$75 ... purchase a DSS2 sound processor, which would require some additional cabling to get chat working. This doesn't make me happy either because it seems to be a more cluttered solution
$60 ... purchase a new Rx unit for my Mixamp to see if it solves the problems.
$200-$250+ ... purchase a new headset, Turtle Beach 'Seven' series comes out soon, or look into other options

At this point, I am getting quite frustrated so I'm looking for any suggestions that might help guide me to a working solution that won't cost me an arm + leg. Thanks in advance

I'm not an expert on all your questions but I use the 2013 Mixamp Pro with the PC360's and it works fine, just FYI.
post #5080 of 5438
I have the same exact issue with my Mixamp 5.8/360 combo. I have tried to update the firmware, but it won't recognize my Mixamp...
post #5081 of 5438
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Originally Posted by bucwylde23 View Post

I'm not an expert on all your questions but I use the 2013 Mixamp Pro with the PC360's and it works fine, just FYI.

Based on my research (which basically entails a few hours of Google, Astro and forum searching), not everyone has the issue. It might just be a certain revision of the PC 360s with certain revisions of Mixamps ... who knows.

I bought a Zalman clip on mic from Amazon and hooked it up today, it works flawlessly. My headset was still under the 2 year warranty, and I just got an email back from Sennheiser that they will repair or replace them and they are even paying for shipping. So I'll be shipping them out tomorrow and will see where it goes.
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Originally Posted by kjr39 View Post

I have the same exact issue with my Mixamp 5.8/360 combo. I have tried to update the firmware, but it won't recognize my Mixamp...

The firmware update is only for the new Tx unit that shipped with the A50s. So, basically if you have an older Mixamp you're out of luck.
Edited by Biggrich76 - 1/17/13 at 3:52pm
post #5082 of 5438
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Originally Posted by digiTaL wiZ View Post


The last time spoke with you I was still deciding which cans I was going to keep for the long haul. The PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is now my need lol! I finally got rid of the A50's and the Warheads. I had the A50's for about about 4 months and with all the issues and the slow azz email support , I honestly just got fed up with the whole support experience. They still haven't finished the customization for the EQ settings even though it's supposed to be done this month. I do have the 2013 A40 audio system and it's great but the PC360's with the 2013 Mixamp Pro is just better. Thanks for the help though.

PC360 + Mixamp 5.8 is what I've been using since August.

If you got the $$$, its the best combo money can buy!
post #5083 of 5438
Just sold my Mixamp 5.8, and I have a Marantz SR5002 receiver with Dolby Headphone on the way. If I need voice chat, I will use the Slyr's mixer.
Edited by Raven Crimson - 1/18/13 at 8:28pm
post #5084 of 5438
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K702 65th Anniversary Edition

700


Sells for $400-$500


Review (Click to show)
The K702 65th Anniversary Edition. Limited to 3000 units worldwide, sold at a premium, with a new headband, memory foam pads, gunmetal-like color scheme, and supposed retuning of the hand-picked drivers. I found the name to be a mouthful, so I decided to call it the K702 Annie, or just Annie. Thankfully, the name stuck on Head-fi. So from here on out, I'll be calling it the Annie.


Bass: Sound-wise, this is the most significant change coming off the older models. The Annie presents bass quite well. You can consider it slightly above neutral. Natural if the source doesn't have a need for bass, and quite full and involving when the need for bass is there. There were times where I found them to have more bass than even the HE-400. Overall, it certainly does not, but make no mistake, the bass can be quite full, layered, textured, and infectious.

What it improves over the Q701 is that the bass is no longer situational. It doesn't just hit with really bass heavy songs. It hits at all times, in a very natural way. Put on a bassy track, movie, game, etc, and the Annie WILL impress bass-wise. Make no mistake. I always found the Q701 and especially the old K701 to be slightly below neutral, bass-wise. The bass would decay too quickly, and wouldn't hit with enough energy to give a sense of naturality. No longer an issue with the Annie. Unless you're a basshead, I don't think there will be much to complain about here. If you like accurate, yet full bass, the Annie will impress. They are also absolutely stellar for movies in Dolby Headphone.


Mids: The mids on the K701/K702/Q701 have always been forward. However, due to the very large soundstage, they didn't come across as intimate. That large sense of space made the mids seem pushed back, even though they were actually forward in the mix compared to the bass and treble. The Q701's extra push in bass over the old K701 filled out the sound more, making the mids more natural than before. The Annie further improves on the mids by integrating them even more with the bass and treble. Due to the fuller, warmer sound signature, the mids are still forward, but not as distant due to a thicker sound. The mids are an absolute strength on the Annies. They remind me mostly of the HD650's mids, albeit with less intimacy due to the bigger soundstage. The HD650's strength is in the intimate mids due to a smaller, more closed in soundstage, placing the mids quite near you. The Annie's mids aren't HD650 special, but still fantastic.

The older models had some form of upper mid peak that caused some fatigue with certain music and the like. I personally have not heard any upper mid peak on the Annie, leading me to believe that the stronger bass, and warmer tone fleshed out and softened that peak to non-fatiguing levels. In this instance, the Annie shows what the Q701 would be like when perfected.


Treble: The treble to me, has been a strength for both the Q701 and Annie. Both are detailed, yet smooth, still packing energy without being fatiguing. As mentioned before, the fatiguing area of the older AKGs was in the upper mids, and not the treble.


Soundstage: Oh, that soundstage. The K and Q models have all been known to have some truly immense soundstage width, and good depth. The Annie follows suit with equally large soundstage, despite the overall sound being thicker which further integrates sound cues with the soundstage, making it not as apparently airy. Notice that I said 'not as airy', and not 'smaller'. This is both a pro and con. The thinner sounding K701 (old) had an incredible sense of air due to the thinner notes, which were't full sounding in comparison. This made notes easier to pick up, despite not sounding as natural as the Q701 and especially the Annie. What all this means, is that sound effects on the Annie occupy more of the space around you in comparison to the older models, for an overall meatier/weightier sound.


Positioning: Though I discussed the thicker body of sound making the soundstage not as airy as the old K701 and to a lesser extent, the Q701, positional cues were not hampered in any way. This means that you can expect god tier performance with Dolby Headphone. Lots of space for positional cues to do their magic, and I mean MAGIC. Surely among the best that I have reviewed.


Clarity: The Annie's warmer, less immediately detail oriented sound signature compared to the older models does not mean they lack clarity. The Annie is a very revealing headphone, just as the Q701 is, though it shifts the focus a bit more towards musicality. The Annie is in a place that reaps the benefits of both warmth and detail focus, though if you put it next to the old K701, then yes, it will come off as less detailed, as you're not assaulted with a mostly dry, and analytical sound signature.


Amping: As with the older models, the Annie is very sneaky in terms of amping requirements. It needs minimal amping to play loudly, but the AKGs are notorious for craving as much power as 600ohm headphones. The Q701 was the most amp reliant headphone I had ever heard, and changed the most out of any Dynamic headphone I ever heard and reviewed here. You will get away with moderate amping, but believe me, you will be doing a disservice to all the Ks and Qs by skimping out on amping. If you're gonna spend this much money on these headphones, you shouldn't feed it weak power, IMHO. They will reward you. The Annie is definitely the easiest of the models to power in terms of sounding good, but they still want power. Still, if you absolutely can't do with much amping, the Annie sounds quite full and refined off lesser equipment compared to the other models.


Build Quality: Made of a durable plastic, and well thought out design, I find the build quality to be quite good. I wouldn't toss them around haphazardly, but they'd definitely survive some abuse. The detachable cable is like the non-Anniversary models, which isn't the thickest I've seen, but certainly very malleable, flexible, and light. It certainly does it's job, though I would have expected a more rugged, or fancier cable for this very limited edition variant.

Compared to the non-Anniversary models of the K701/K702/Q701, the headband is thinner in width when viewed from the top/bottom, with a widening of the area where the AKG branding is located. The biggest difference (and it's incredibly significant), is that the underside of the headband no longer has the notorious (7-8) bumps, and is instead completely smooth. This basically turns the Annie from a torture device to a godsend in headband comfort. There is no padding, but it is absolutely unnecessary as the headband perfectly molds to your head, distributing pressure evenly across where it rests. The bumped headbands were notorious for digging into the scalp, especially on the center one or two bumps. Why it took AKG this long to rectify this issue the vast majority of people had is beyond me, but it's finally done.

The headband also has the added benefit of allowing bigger heads to fit due to less stiffness, and more space. Prior to the Annie, I basically needed the other models to be fully extended for them to fit my head. This caused a lot of tight, downwards pressure, which in addition to the hard bumps, didn't lead to the most comfortable headband design. It took me a few days to adjust to the older models, but I didn't find them as problematic as most people still do.

The pads are the second most significant change from the older models. They are made of memory foam inside velour. Very dense and molds to your head shape MUCH more than the older model pads. This causes a better seal, which is more than likely the main reason why the sound signature is warmer, and more bassy (though no consensus or proof that it either is or isn't what causes all the sonic difference between the older models). Other than those two main differences, the Annie is physically a rebadged K702.


Comfort: As previously mentioned, due to the new headband and new pads, the Annie has made a substantial boost in comfort over the older models. I would say that from what I've read, the K701/K702/Q701's comfort is hypothetically a 5/10 (for everyone else). The Annie, however would more than likely jump up to a 9/10 in comfort. Yes, the headband change is that significant. The removal of the dreaded bumps would basically satisfy ANYONE who had issues with them on the older models, and even those that don't have issues with the bumps.

The pads are arguable, as the older pads, while more firm, breathed a little easier than the new memory foam velours. In either case, neither are sweat inducing or uncomfortable, personally. I find the older models to be not as uncomfortable as most people would lead to believe, but the Annie provides a noticeable boost in comfort either way.


Accessories: Nothing but a 6.3mm adapter. Just the goods.


Isolation/Leakage: I don't know if it's just me, but even for a fully open headphone, I found these to not leak out as much as most open cans. I'm pretty sure it's due to the pads. The sound does not escape from the pads, but from the grills, and I find them to be pretty good at keeping sound in despite it's openness. I found the older models to leak out quite a bit more, more than likely due to the velour pads being a bit more breathable.


Value: At over $400, the Annie is a very tough sell, especially for those who own the later K702/Q701s (not sure on the newer K701). The non-Annies consistently sell for around $250. If you're fine with their sound signature and comfort, it's quite hard to recommend the Annie, despite the very obvious improvement in bass, comfort, and tonality. The Annie brings out what was lacking in the older models, for sure, but the jump in price may not be worth it to some. If you haven't owned any and can afford the Annie, I highly recommend jumping straight to the Annie, as they are clearly the best offering in the AKG lineup.


Final Impressions: In the Annie you have: very balanced, warm, detailed, spacious, god tier in positional cues, fun, engaging, and extreme comfort. If it sounds like I'm gushing about them, that's because I am. There is VERY little to complain about here. This is my idea of a perfected well balanced headphone. The only headphone I would prefer over the Annie is the D7000, which loses out on balance, in place of some truly awe-inspiring fun and musicality. Yes. The Annie is my 2nd favorite headphone ever, and due to it's comfort, musicality, and gaming prowess, the Annie would be my very first pick if I could only own one headphone.


Final Scores...


Fun: 8. Great. The bass is mildly above neutral to my ears, while still maintaining good accuracy, giving it the injection of fun that the other models lacked without being too emphasized to hamper it's overall well balanced signature. The soundstage paired with it's tonality, give it a great sense of immersion for ALL manners of gaming and movies, etc. I base this value on overall package, and not just bass emphasis. The Annie is one of the most impressive and fun headphones all around.

Competitive: 9.5. Amazing. Like the Q701, these are basically god tier, with a slight trade off of pure analytical detail-whoring, for an overall better balance between fun and competitive. Positional cues are just as good. There will not be any missed important sound effects or directional cues here.

Comfort: 9.5. Amazing. A significant leap in comfort compared to the older models due to the flat/smooth headband which allows for more extension. The memory foam velours contour to head shape incredibly well, and aren't sweat inducing like pleather/leather. The Annie is a light headphone as well. The only problem I foresee others having is that due to the size of the pads (like the older models), the pads may rest on the jaw which may cause some discomfort.
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post

Just sold my Mixamp 5.8, and I have a Marantz SR5002 receiver with Dolby Headphone on the way. If I need voice chat, I will use the Slyr's mixer.
I'd be very interested to know if the Marantz can take audio in via HDMI and and use Dolby Headphone for those sources with cans plugged in? I would hope at least the "lower def" audio signals (DD, DTS, Pro Logic) would work that way over HDMI. If so, the next step is, wonder what happens if the source (like a bluray) is outputting HD audio like Dolby TruHD?
post #5086 of 5438
All signals get converted to Dolby Headphone. Both Dolby and DTS technologies will get converted to Dolby Headphone. Obviously Stereo won't. All Dolby tech (including True HD) have a hidden file with the regular Dolby Digital signal. Same with DTS having the basic DTS file hidden inside the lossless variants. For example: You can watch a movie with Dolby True HD, and the receiver will grab the Dolby Digityal file and convert that to DH for headphones. In the case of DTS files, DTS gets converted to Dolby, and then to DH. That's something that the Mixamp and other surround gaming devices lack (other than the SU-DH1).

Yes, it works through HDMI as well. As for a surround system...




Yeah, it's an older receiver, so only lossless playback is gonna be 7.1 PCM (without Dolby or THX algorhythms) unfortunately, though for $175, I just wanted an awesome Dolby Headphone receiver, without a need to hook up an external amp. This has more volume/gain than my Compass 2. I don't use speakers or anything anymore. If I'm not using my headphones, I'm using the TV speakers (very rarely).
Edited by Raven Crimson - 2/1/13 at 4:59am
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I'd imagine in the case of HD audio codecs, rather than the receiver directly converting the lossy core to DH, it decodes the full lossless signal to 5.1 and then DH takes it from there. I don't think DH is even aware of any codec.

Regardless going forward all games should run via PCM, so I don't think HD audio codecs will even be relevant for gaming.
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DH from my understanding only accepts the basic Dolby Digital signal. That means anything going into it has to be converted to the lossy DD 5.1 format. Whether it's Dolby True HD, or DTS Master Audio, all must be converted to Dolby Digital 5.1 in order for DH to work. With things like the Mixamp, they don't even come with the necessary component to convert DTS files into Dolby and then DH. I remember reading somewhere that a hidden core DD file and DTS file were embedded in the lossless versions for backwards compatibility with older systems. Not entirely sure.
Edited by Raven Crimson - 2/1/13 at 3:58pm
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DH only accepts the basic Dolby Digital signal. That means anything going into it has to be converted to the lossy DD 5.1 format. Whether it's Dolby True HD, or DTS Master Audio, all must be converted to Dolby Digital 5.1 in order for DH to work. With things like the Mixamp, they don't even come with the necessary component to convert DTS files into Dolby and then DH.
I just think with the Marantz it's good to know you can connect via HDMI for audio and video, can set a bluray deck or PS3 to output the highest possible audio resolution and play it that way via speakers (if you so choose), but when the headphones get plugged in you can listen to it all in Dolby Headphone. Cool. How does it do in comparison to headphone amps (higher end than the Mixamp) you've tried in terms of power to drive harder loads and overall sound quality?
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DH from my understanding only accepts the basic Dolby Digital signal. That means anything going into it has to be converted to the lossy DD 5.1 format. Whether it's Dolby True HD, or DTS Master Audio, all must be converted to Dolby Digital 5.1 in order for DH to work. With things like the Mixamp, they don't even come with the necessary component to convert DTS files into Dolby and then DH. I remember reading somewhere that a hidden core DD file and DTS file were embedded in the lossless versions for backwards compatibility with older systems. Not entirely sure.

The mixamp probably doesn't have a DTS decoder at all because no games really use it. I know DH on my receiver supports everything down to 2 channel, I seriously doubt it needs to encode everything to DD 5.1 first. Pretty sure my receiver doesn't have a DD encoder built in.

Anyway, having DH on your receiver is definitely the best, works for everything, simple connections. You can then also get away with buying significantly cheaper headsets that don't have their own DH.
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Just sold my Mixamp 5.8, and I have a Marantz SR5002 receiver with Dolby Headphone on the way. If I need voice chat, I will use the Slyr's mixer.

I'm a little confused. If you are using the receiver for virtual surround sound, then can't you bypass the Slyr's mixer for input voice chat by just using a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor like headset buddy to connect the Xbox controller to a clip on microphone? Wouldn't the receiver play the output voice chat(players talking to you) if you select "play through speakers" under voice settings on the Xbox? I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.
Thanks!
Edited by CarmelRob - 2/2/13 at 9:42am
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I'm a little confused. If you are using the receiver for virtual surround sound, then can't you bypass the Slyr's mixer for input voice chat by just using a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor like headset buddy to connect the Xbox controller to a clip on microphone. Wouldn't the receiver play the output voice chat(players talking to you) if you select "play through speakers" under voice settings on the Xbox? I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.
Thanks!

Yes, that will work, although you have to dig through menus to get to the voice volume control, so it's kind of a PITA.
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Yes, that will work, although you have to dig through menus to get to the voice volume control, so it's kind of a PITA.
Ok, I see. Thanks.
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I'm a little confused. If you are using the receiver for virtual surround sound, then can't you bypass the Slyr's mixer for input voice chat by just using a 2.5mm to 3.5mm adaptor like headset buddy to connect the Xbox controller to a clip on microphone? Wouldn't the receiver play the output voice chat(players talking to you) if you select "play through speakers" under voice settings on the Xbox? I'm fairly new to this so please bear with me.
Thanks!

Sorry, I don't even have the 360 anymore, lol. I made this thread here, but it's for all forms of gaming. I game on PS3 now.

I've acquired a 2011 Mixamp Pro, so whenever I need voice chat, I'll use that, instead of my receiver.

I think using the Mixer would have been highly illogical with the receiver.
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I currently have the ad-700/Zalman combo but I was looking for a another stand alone mic I could use for when I set up my 5.1 surround sound in my room. I'm an Xbox gamer and would like the microphone cord to not be too long. I was thinking of either the Olympus ME-15 or the Olympus ME-52W paired with either the Olympus PA-1 adapter or the Radio Shack 2.5mm to 3.5mm Cell to Stereo adapter. I'm leaning towards the ME-52W since its advertised as noice-canceling and the microphone head can be detached and plugged into the base of the Xbox controller with the adapter for when I don't feel too chatty and only want to talk every so often. Has anybody had good experiences with these two microphones? Thanks again for the help.
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If anyone knows of some super secret place to get a Senn PC360 please do tell. Looks like they're sold out everywhere. Also, has anyone used both the PC350 (or 350SE) and the PC360 that can comment on the difference in soundstage, if any? I know one is open and one is closed so you would think the PC360 should have a larger soundstage and less bass...
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If anyone knows of some super secret place to get a Senn PC360 please do tell. Looks like they're sold out everywhere. Also, has anyone used both the PC350 (or 350SE) and the PC360 that can comment on the difference in soundstage, if any? I know one is open and one is closed so you would think the PC360 should have a larger soundstage and less bass...

I'm looking to sell my PC360, I handle all of my "toys" with care so it's in excellent condition.
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You'll need to go directly to sennheiserusa.com/pc360 to order a pair. They're $249.99 and the shipping costs will depend on which state you live in. I actually bought my pc360's from Amazon, 4 days before Christmas. The price was only $191.73 so I went ahead and ordered them thinking the demand was low. A week after I got it, the price went back to the original price of $249.99. I would have paid the full price anyway. At the moment, Amazon is sold out so the only way to get them today is directly from sennheiser.
Edited by digiTaL wiZ - 2/5/13 at 1:48am
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PC360 + Mixamp 5.8 is what I've been using since August.

If you got the $$$, its the best combo money can buy!

I had the wireless A40's with the mixamp 5.8 last May. I really loved them but the news about the A50's coming out soon made me return the A40's. Later on, I couldn't find just the mixamp 5.8 anymore. Astro decided to bundle the mixamp, only for the wireless A30's and A40's. Now it only comes with the wireless A30's, directly from Astro.
I game on my Xbox as well as my Playstation and having to reconnect the mixamps, each time I which consoles, can really get annoying. I finally looked on Ebay for just the wireless mixamp 5.8 last week, and the last one was available. It was $135.99 with free shipping. It came in 2.5 days. I was looking on Amazon yesterday and they only have one, which is used and the price is $165 if someone is still interested in the mixamp 5.8.

If someone wants the brand new 2011 wireless A40's, with the mixamp 5.8, the only way is through MIcrosoft and it's hard bundled. I was going to order them just to get the A40's for the mixamp 5.8, and sell the headset on Ebay, but I was in luck with just the mixamp.

Hey Daekwan, again thanks for the advise. I'm in heaven lol. I use the wired 2013 mixamp for my Playstation and I use the wireless mixamp 5.8 with my Xbox. I game mostly on my Xbox though. I might pick up the other mixamp 5.8 anyway. I have 3 Xbox's and 2 Playstations so it can definitely be used.
Edited by digiTaL wiZ - 2/5/13 at 1:40am
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Based on my research (which basically entails a few hours of Google, Astro and forum searching), not everyone has the issue. It might just be a certain revision of the PC 360s with certain revisions of Mixamps ... who knows.

I bought a Zalman clip on mic from Amazon and hooked it up today, it works flawlessly. My headset was still under the 2 year warranty, and I just got an email back from Sennheiser that they will repair or replace them and they are even paying for shipping. So I'll be shipping them out tomorrow and will see where it goes.
The firmware update is only for the new Tx unit that shipped with the A50s. So, basically if you have an older Mixamp you're out of luck.

I have the PC360/MixAmp 5.8 combo, bought after much research on this very thread and Daekwan's rather emphatic endorsement of the combo. I have to say, I love the sound.

I HAVE had a persistent issue since purchase though; occasionally my friends will complain about a ear piercing sound coming through to them, but I can't hear it. I've never been able to get my kit to do it on demand, and I have had very little luck trying to find out what the cause is. I'm wondering if the 2013 mixamp will solve this. Also wondering if there is anything 'in it for me' by updating my Mixamp 5.8 to the Mixamp 2013. The 2013 isn't wireless is it? frown.gif

Daekwan made a comment awhile back when I was shopping about looking like RoboCop or a Cyborg or something when he's gaming. I would concur with that statement.
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