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post #5131 of 5434
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Thats a clown question bro.

Next!

What kind of Canadian beer were you drinking last night?

 

I figured someone here would be interested enough in them to give them a try. Shin/Raven, how about it?

post #5132 of 5434
I'm going the opposite direction. Just placed an order for the LCD2. They impressed me so much, I had to get them. Though they're so....ugly. Lol.
post #5133 of 5434
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What kind of Canadian beer were you drinking last night?

I figured someone here would be interested enough in them to give them a try. Shin/Raven, how about it?

I will admit, now that I've read up on them.. they seem like a decent offering.. especially with the official MLG backing.

But for $279 you can stick with the good ole mixamp + whateverheadset choice. Would be interesting to see how they match up to the more traditionally accepted solutions like mixamp + pc360.
post #5134 of 5434
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What kind of Canadian beer were you drinking last night?

I figured someone here would be interested enough in them to give them a try. Shin/Raven, how about it?

Don't mind Daekwan. He has an Astro logo tattooed on his bicep.

Too late for me now, but I'd also be curious. I was going between those and the A40 a month or so ago. The TB was so new that there were really no reviews yet so I went with the A40. I ended up returning those and getting the Mixamp with a Senn PC360. If the headset is decent it seems like the TB would be a good buy. The control unit looks like it has some pretty cool features, like being able to change your voice. smile.gif
post #5135 of 5434
They look pretty interesting, but w/ the next console coming...
post #5136 of 5434
If anyone is interested in a MixAmp 5.8, I have one on eBay right now...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astro-MixAmp-58-/251247724959
post #5137 of 5434
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Originally Posted by ClownBaby MC View Post

If anyone is interested in a MixAmp 5.8, I have one on eBay right now...


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Astro-MixAmp-58-/251247724959


Is this an early one or the later one that the Tx doesn't shut off when the Rx is off.
post #5138 of 5434
I bought it when they were first released, but I don't believe that the Tx shuts off.
post #5139 of 5434
TB XP 7 Review from Engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/18/turtle-beach-ear-force-xp-seven-headset-review/

A few design quirks and frustrations aside, we're pleased with the XP Seven Series bundle. Even more than the headphones, though, we're smitten with the Audio Control Unit. The Seven Series headset is a solid enough offering, but there are plenty of other $150 headsets we'd use with the ACU if we could. Compared to Astro's older MLG headsets, this product represents a clear step forward, and we're sure many competitive gamers will enjoy it. If it were up to us, we'd hold off until the ACU becomes available as a standalone product and then pair it with an even better pair of headphones. One thing is certain: the Astro Mixamp has finally been beaten at its own game. It's time to take Turtle Beach seriously outside the living room.



TL:DR version: Way too many wires & adjustments for the average user. But for the "Pro" gamer.. the TB "mixamp" solution has every adjustment you would ever need. The headset thats included is nothing special. You'd be better off using just buying the the TB "mixamp" and using your own headset (aka PC360).
post #5140 of 5434
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

TB XP 7 Review from Engadget:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/18/turtle-beach-ear-force-xp-seven-headset-review/

A few design quirks and frustrations aside, we're pleased with the XP Seven Series bundle. Even more than the headphones, though, we're smitten with the Audio Control Unit. The Seven Series headset is a solid enough offering, but there are plenty of other $150 headsets we'd use with the ACU if we could. Compared to Astro's older MLG headsets, this product represents a clear step forward, and we're sure many competitive gamers will enjoy it. If it were up to us, we'd hold off until the ACU becomes available as a standalone product and then pair it with an even better pair of headphones. One thing is certain: the Astro Mixamp has finally been beaten at its own game. It's time to take Turtle Beach seriously outside the living room.



TL:DR version: Way too many wires & adjustments for the average user. But for the "Pro" gamer.. the TB "mixamp" solution has every adjustment you would ever need. The headset thats included is nothing special. You'd be better off using just buying the the TB "mixamp" and using your own headset (aka PC360).

Depending on its price I may give the ACU a try when it's available by itself. I wanted to try it when I was shopping but didn't really care to test out the TB headset.
post #5141 of 5434
Just picked up a set of the XP510s over the weekend. I enjoy the extra add ons from it, but not sure if there's a better option. Looks like I have a lot of reading to do. It was between the 510s and the A50s. I'm in a theater room so the wireless is a must.
post #5142 of 5434
amazing post, thanks for going to the effort of making that!
think I'm gonna get myself a set of astro's! biggrin.gif
post #5143 of 5434
You should be looking at the very much updated post on Head-fi. I'd update the first post here, but they didn't wnna give me my account back.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/534479/mad-lust-envys-headphone-gaming-guide-updated-3-11-13-lcd2-entry-updated
post #5144 of 5434
Hey guys who have owned the X41. It's currently $70 on Amazon for the factory refurbs. While I couldn't care less about the headset, that's a good price to get a dolby decoder box + "free" headset.

How is the SQ of the X41's decoder box using standard headphones? Is it noisy like the DSS/AX720?
post #5145 of 5434
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post

Hey guys who have owned the X41. It's currently $70 on Amazon for the factory refurbs. While I couldn't care less about the headset, that's a good price to get a dolby decoder box + "free" headset.

How is the SQ of the X41's decoder box using standard headphones? Is it noisy like the DSS/AX720?

I disagree. The XP41's suck at any price. It could be $9.99.. and I still wouldnt recommend it.

I think the best deal going is the BLOPS2 Xray's (XP400s) for $129 on Amazon. They work very well and are truly wireless.

http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Call-PlayStation-3-63057006306200/dp/B00886XQNQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1366038100&sr=1-2&keywords=black+ops+headset
post #5146 of 5434
I just got the X42's and love them. I had the X41 but always had intereference and the sound would just drop. My only problem with turtle beaches are that the bass never sounds quite right in them. But I don't want wires running to my console since I have kids and dogs running around.
post #5147 of 5434
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Originally Posted by americangunner View Post

I just got the X42's and love them. I had the X41 but always had intereference and the sound would just drop. My only problem with turtle beaches are that the bass never sounds quite right in them. But I don't want wires running to my console since I have kids and dogs running around.
I too have the 42s. I had the x11s and they did sound better than 42s I think. Also don't like all the wires. Only problem I'm on second talk back cable.
post #5148 of 5434
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Originally Posted by Daekwan View Post

I disagree. The XP41's suck at any price. It could be $9.99.. and I still wouldnt recommend it.

I think the best deal going is the BLOPS2 Xray's (XP400s) for $129 on Amazon. They work very well and are truly wireless.

http://www.amazon.com/Turtle-Beach-Call-PlayStation-3-63057006306200/dp/B00886XQNQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1366038100&sr=1-2&keywords=black+ops+headset
That's a smokin' deal(if you can live w/ the battery thing). Can't really go wrong at that price/return policy.
post #5149 of 5434
If anybody's interested in a Turtle Beach Delta (MW3 branded XP500) send me an IM. I've got one I'm looking to part with.
post #5150 of 5434
You guys didn't answer my question: does the decoder box on the X41 allow to use other headphones?
Edited by Raven Crimson - 4/16/13 at 3:13pm
post #5151 of 5434
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post

You guys didn't answer my question: does the decoder box on the X41 allow to use other headphones?

Yes

 

post #5152 of 5434
Sweet, thanks. Hmm... I'm tempted, just for that alone.

Btw, guys, new review (Skullcandy PLYR 1 review will come soon, I need the go ahead from Skullcandy to post it though, which probably won't come until next month). I can't divulge any info until then. All I will say is that it's better than the A50, IMHO.



Stax SR-407

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Sells for $575 (Headamp)
Review (Click to show)
Before I begin, I want to thank Justin at Headamp for loaning these out to me. If it weren't for Justin and Headamp, I don't think I would have become as interested in electrostatics as I am now. To drive the SR-407, I was also sent the Stax SRM-252S electrostatic amp (NOT the amp pictured above), which is also sold on Headamp for $495. The SR-407 is the very first electrostatic headphone I've demoed. I honestly did not know what to expect. Perhaps my assumption of 'stats in general was that they were mostly on the bright side with lots of air and detail, perhaps too analytical, sterile, and dry. I didn't read much into 'stats as they were a niche product in my eyes, being too situational, too expensive, and too picky with what you can use them with. They need their own specialized amps, unlike dynamic and planar magnetic headphones which work with most traditional devices. Electrostats just seemed too restrictive for my taste. I didn't like their looks (aside from the Sennheiser Orpheus, Stax Omega 007, and 009). I can honestly say that while they are indeed a bit restrictive, electrostatics are more than worth looking into.


Build Quality: The Stax SR-407's build quality isn't anything special. It has an extremely retro design, made of almost all brown plastic from what I can see. The cups are rectangular and aesthetically hideous to my eyes, but there is a charm to it's non-standard looks. The adjustment sliders are decent, and hold their place very well. I'd prefer a little more freedom in it's extension, but it fits me fine at full extension. The headband strap is absolutely the best part of the 407's build, the underside covered in extremely soft and comfortable suede-like material.

The earpads are made of brown pleather (I believe). There isn't a lot of surface contact area, so it's not horribly sweat inducing as other pleather-padded headphones. It could definitely stand to be thicker, though that may alter the amazing sound quality.

The cable is flat/ribbon-like and a very decent length. Seems to be tangle proof. It's a bit wide and strap like. I'm definitely a fan of this type of cable.


Comfort: The Stax-407 is passable in comfort. It's pretty lightweight, but the rectangular cup design will feel awkward at first. The 407 is lightweight. The pads don't have much contact with the skin, but it's pleather, and ultimately will induce sweat. As mentioned previously, the pads are a bit thin, and with a little force, you can feel the plastic housing so close to the skin.

The headband strap is soft, and perfectly forms to one's head shape. Quite possibly the most comfortable headband 'strap' I've ever felt. Literally no force felt on the top of my head. The clamping force is moderate. The 407 feels secure on my head. Not loose, not too tight.


Accessories: Bare essentials. Just the headphone.


Isolation/Leakage: It's an extremely open headphone, so don't expect any privacy in or out.


Sound: The sound? THE SOUND. If there was one word to describe the SR-407 (and I assume any 'stat worth their grain in salt), that word would be: EFFORTLESS. What I mean is that the 407 sounds like producing sound is the easiest thing to do in the world. It's almost problematic, because you can pump up the volume to louder than bearable levels, and it will happily sing with no perceivable distortion anywhere to be found. I found myself jamming out to music and realizing that it's a bit louder than I tend to listen to with other headphones. That's how clear, grain free, smooth, and effortless the sound quality is. This is indeed the first time I have felt that there is ZERO fault in the headphone if you ever hear distortions.

The 407 is a neutral sounding headphone. Quite linear, with lots of speed, texture, quick decay, air, and instrument separation in spades. There is basically NO harhness to be found despite it not being rolled off. I've heard smoother/darker headphones that can be harsh. I don't know how the 407 does it, but there just isn't any harshness to my ears, despite a bell like clarity. My only gripe I have with the sound signature is that it's slightly dry (coming off the velvety smooth, liquid, and full bodied LCD2), and mids while blended in perfectly well with the treble and bass, doesn't sound 'forward' so it doesn't bring immediate attention to itself. It's not the fullest sounding headphone either. More neutral than natural/organic, which is the planar magnetic's strength over electrostatics, from what I've read. Still, the 407 is not sterile or too analytical, keeping a great amount of musicality and enjoyment to it's sound.

On to the different aspects of sound.


Bass: I expected the bass to be weak and understated. While the sub bass is noticeably lacking in comparison to the LCD2, mid bass is tight, punchy and clearly present. I can listen to EDM or Hip Hop and jam with the 407. Not 'bassy' by any means, but the bass is nicely presented. It has more body and impact than the Q701, but not as much as the K702 Anniversary. I'd say it's basically neutral. However, if the source is bassy, these will surely please anyone not a pure basshead. It can be quite fun.


Mids: The mids are presented very, VERY cleanly, though they aren't forward or recessed. They are blended in with the bass and treble, not bringing a lot of attention to itself. If anything, it's not romanticized in any way. It's there, it's clean, and well balanced. Again, neutral. Does this mean that it's safe? Yes. Boring? Not at all. It sounds faithful to the source. Unlike something like the Sennheiser PC360 headset which is also well balanced, but lacking in energy. Energy is definitely not one thing the 407 is lacking.


Treble: The treble to me is the biggest strength in the 407. It's extremely clean sounding, yet completely grain free to my ears and no harshness. Even on sibilant tracks, I didn't feel any fatigue.This may sound like hyperbole, but this is definitely the best treble I've heard on any headphone. Sparkle and smoothness bundled in one, which isn't typically found on traditional headphones. No ringing, no harshness, no fatigue. You basically have to hear it for yourself to understand what I'm talking about.


Soundstage: My first taste of electrostatic soundstage. It's quite open and with plenty of space between sound cues, but it's a bit two dimensional and linear in comparison to the better dynamics and planar magnetics. So it has a very good soundstage size, but not the best depth. However, it still translates very well into gaming.


Positioning: The SR-407 performs very well for gaming in Dolby Headphone. The soundstage is a pretty decent size. Paired with the amazing clarity and slight dryness of the sound overall, sound cues come out very, very clearly. Soundstage depth isn't the best, but DH helps it out enough to make positional cues pretty strong.


Clarity: The 407 is easily one of the clearest headphones I have heard, if not the absolute clearest. Bass is quick, very textured, and tight. The mids are very well balanced and clean, though not forward in the same way the LCD2 and HD650's mids are. Treble, as mentioned earlier is the cleanest, most refined treble I've heard on any headphone to date. Smooth and sparkly at the same time, with zero grain, and no perceivable ringing to my ears. While other headphones like the K701 are emphasized for clarity, they can't compare to the overall refinement and effortlessness of the 407.


Amping: As stated, these demand an electrostatic amplifier. In terms of that, the SRM-252S is the cheapest 'desktop' 'stat amp in production, and to my ears drives the 407 just fine. I don't feel a lack of anything.


Value: Value is purely subjective, but I personally feel that for around $575 you get a headphone that stands toe to toe with the LCD2 (and exceeds it in certain areas like neutrality, and clarity). You do need to spend money on an electrostatic amp, the SRM-252S being nearly $500 itself. Considering the 407 is basically the same in sound as the more expensive SR-507 (with different pads and materials), which I've read as being on par with the HE-6 and HD800 (if not better) to certain people, this may be the best entry point into high-end audio for a price not in the realm of impossible.


Final Impressions: Call me an absolute believer of electrostatic headphones. So much refinement, clarity, and technical superiority over dynamics and arguably even planar magnetics. The Stax SR-407 makes a very compelling case for itself as the perfect starting point into electrostatic headphones (and possibly end). It's not perfect, with a slight dryness to the sound, wonky design, mediocre build quality, and okay comfort, but it's sound quality more than makes up for these shortcomings. For gaming, it's one of the better all-rounders on the guide, without question.

Final Scores...

Fun: 8 (Great. Though it's not as immersive as the K702 Anniversary or the more bass-oriented headphones on the guide, the 407 has it's own special sound that is fun in it's own way. Bass is very good for a neutral headphone, lagging a little behind the K702 Anniversary, but having more energy and presence than the Q701, and having a nice, fun amount of bass when it's called for.)

Competitive: 8.75 (Very Great. Though the soundstage depth isn't the best, the clarity and virtual space is so clean, it makes for a very solid and competitive gaming headphone.)

Comfort: 6.5 (Decent. It's not the most comfortable headphone, but not atrocious by any means. No pressure on top of the head is a large plus.)
Edited by Raven Crimson - 4/22/13 at 10:28am
post #5153 of 5434

I recently bought a set of Tritton Warhead (Halo 4 edition) as I wanted to give a fully wireless set up a try. My expectations were not high, but I was pleasantly surprised at how well I was able to hear directionally, especially front/back. I really didn't expect to say this, but I think the Warhead has better directional and positioning sound than the Astro mixamp + AKG K702 headphone setup that I have been using for several years now. 

 

Huh? That's the response I have been having too. In trying to figure out why, the only reason I can come up with is that there must be something to the 7.1 processing of the Warhead. Before now, I have always dismissed the advantage of 7.1 since the Xbox only puts out a 5.1 signal. The best I can tell, the Warhead creates 7.1 simulated surround by first pre-processing the Dolby Digital 5.1 signal using Dolby Pro Logic IIx to come up with a 7.1 signal. This 7.1 signal is then processed using Dolby Headphone.

 

In contrast, my Astro Mixamp (not the latest 2013 edition) utilizes Dolby Headphone on the DD 5.1 signal (without PLIIx pre-processing to create 7.1). I wonder if the Warhead's use of the PLIIx pre-processing adds some more emphasis to the rear channels. Whatever it is, it seems to work very well.

 

The latest 2013 Astro Mixamp claims 7.1 - I wonder if it incorporates PLIIx processing as well. Has anyone upgraded from an older Mixamp and noticed an improvement in directional/positioning sound? 

post #5154 of 5434
I've compared DH 5.1 and DH 7.1. They sound exactly the same to me. My receiver has DH 5.1. and I've compared the old Mixamp with the 5.8 which is marketed as 7.1. No difference.

I think the Warheads may have better depth than the AKGs. While the AKGs have fantastic soundstage, their depth isn't amazing. I've heard a few headphones with better depth, LCD2 to name one.

70x's strength is sheer size overall, but it's a lot of width more than depth.

Not that many headphones with amazing depth.
Edited by Raven Crimson - 4/26/13 at 2:02pm
post #5155 of 5434
I've had the Warhead's from day one, and I'm for the most part happy. Battery life/hot-swappable, good directional localization, wireless, etc. But damned, should've put in a bass/treble booster/reducer. I think they're a tad bass heavy. My X41's were more tinny, and I prefer it that way for shooters.
post #5156 of 5434
Well I finally went ahead and ordered the mix-amp from Astro. Free shipping so I imagine this will take a few days to get to me, but much better than the ridiculous shipping charges they wanted. Can't wait to pair this with the PC360s! This is a purchase I have put off for far too long. Feels great to know I will finally get to use the 360s in all there glory.
post #5157 of 5434
You can turn off dolby headphone with the mixamp, right? I have a feeling a lot of next gen games aren't going to need it, and it would actually get in the way.
post #5158 of 5434
Yes you can turn it off and run it straight stereo. As excited as I am about the next gen, I am playing a lot more games these days than I have in a while. It will get plenty of use going forward. My concern is that the new consoles won't have an optical out which would really suck. I am sure there would be a workaround, but I hope that isn't the case.
post #5159 of 5434
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Originally Posted by bd2003 View Post

You can turn off dolby headphone with the mixamp, right? I have a feeling a lot of next gen games aren't going to need it, and it would actually get in the way.

What makes you think you won't need it?

Think games will have virtual surround built in?

So far, the few games that have a virtual surround enabled for headphones have been HORRIBLE and barely sounded like stereo with added reverb. Dolby Headphone algorhythms ras well as THX Tru Studio have both been much better.
post #5160 of 5434
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Originally Posted by Raven Crimson View Post

I've compared DH 5.1 and DH 7.1. They sound exactly the same to me. My receiver has DH 5.1. and I've compared the old Mixamp with the 5.8 which is marketed as 7.1. No difference.

I think the Warheads may have better depth than the AKGs. While the AKGs have fantastic soundstage, their depth isn't amazing. I've heard a few headphones with better depth, LCD2 to name one.

70x's strength is sheer size overall, but it's a lot of width more than depth.

Not that many headphones with amazing depth.

Interesting comment about the AKGs being wide but not deep. I have long thought the K702s provided the best all around deep and wide soundstage / positioning info. (Now I'm hearing 'Deep and Wide' in my head...)

 

I went ahead and ordered a new Mixamp 2013 edition to do a side-by-side comparison.

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