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post #1 of 30
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I'm looking for some nice bookshelf speakers to pair with my computer. I currently have M-Audio DX4s hooked up to a Creative X-Fi Surround 5.1 and they are decidedly not filling the bill.

I do like my ATH-A900 headphones and wouldn't mind speakers that reproduce like them. I doubt, however, that my ears can distinguish among different companies' signatures provided they're decently clear and neutral.

My budget is $1500 pretax MAX for the speakers and $600 pretax MAX for a receiver/amp if necessary. If one is suggested I would appreciate suggestions with optical ins so I can run my mobo straight to it. I already have a HSU-STF1 subwoofer I will be pairing with and don't plan to replace for this upgrade (though perhaps at a future date). If this setup does ever go beyond 2.1, it won't be soon.

In case it helps, I did try to get out and audition some speakers this weekend. My opinions on things I heard:
Paradigm: Studio 20 - at a used shop, least favorite of the bunch, seemed muffled in reproduction

B&W: CM1 - Favorite of the bunch. Seemed to have good punchy bass and clear/clean accurate reproduction else where.

Vienna Acoustics: Haydn - most powerful fairly clean bass, but maybe too much, and the rest seemed lacking against the B&W CM1

Monitor Audio: RX1 - had neither the bass of the Haydn or the seeming increased accuracy of the CM1, nothing to incentivise further thought

So I guess what I'm looking for is anything in my budget that could potentially outperform the CM1s in my mind. I also listened to a number of tower speakers as I'm considering a future TV room upgrade and found my favorites to be some Energy C-8s at the used shop (winning out over Dahlquist M-905, Kef 103-4, and Mirage OM-10) and MartinLogan Purity at the new shop (winning out over just the B&W CM8/9 which oddly seemed to lack the bass power of their bookshelf CM1 version, at least in my opinion). I'm open to things that may sound a little different but could convince me to like them due to their overall performance.

Also,
I've received suggestions on the following internet only models:
Salk SongSurround I
SVS MBS-01
Ascend Sierra 1

And was wondering if anyone could tell me how those stacked up to the CM1s. I'd say of the speakers I heard and liked more it was generally due to a sense that they were quickly and cleanly keeping up with my music and not just producing the general beat. Also that they didn't seem to struggle when the music transitioned (like when vocals started they would just start, it wasn't noticably jarring). I'm curious if anyone knows how these internet only brands stack up in that department. I'd also appreciate suggestions for speakers I might be able to audition in stores.

Thanks for reading and I appreciate any suggestions.
post #2 of 30
Boston VS260 bookshelf speakers.
Go to www.ac4l.com and look at Marantz refurbish receivers.
post #3 of 30
Something to keep in mind is that a lot of speakers that sound great from 6 or 8 feet or more away will put your teeth on edge at computer speaker distances.

Of those your listed I've only listened to a few. I'm a new Sierra-1 owner and as such I naturally think they're the greatest <$1000 thing since sliced bread. I also own Song Surround-1s and they are very-very good. I haven't compared the two side by side yet but the SS-1 have very low sensitivity which is why I'm not using them at the moment. If I had to do it over again I'd buy the SS-2 to go with my Song Towers. A pair of Song Surround-II and a refurbished 4ohm friendly Onkyo TX-SR707 or TX-NR807 from Accessories For Less should keep you under your budget.

What I use as desktop speakers are EMP's little E41. They are way under your budget and need to crossover to the sub at 100hz, but are pretty amazing up close. I just won't use them in anything much bigger than a small bedroom or office.

Edit: Creatives aren't music cards. I'd connect the receiver to the computer via digital so that you're just sending unprocessed bits and letting the receiver handle the rest.
post #4 of 30
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Originally Posted by PhantmShado View Post

I'm looking for some nice bookshelf speakers to pair with my computer. I currently have M-Audio DX4s hooked up to a Creative X-Fi Surround 5.1 and they are decidedly not filling the bill.

I do like my ATH-A900 headphones and wouldn't mind speakers that reproduce like them. I doubt, however, that my ears can distinguish among different companies' signatures provided they're decently clear and neutral.

My budget is $1500 pretax MAX for the speakers and $600 pretax MAX for a receiver/amp if necessary. If one is suggested I would appreciate suggestions with optical ins so I can run my mobo straight to it. I already have a HSU-STF1 subwoofer I will be pairing with and don't plan to replace for this upgrade (though perhaps at a future date). If this setup does ever go beyond 2.1, it won't be soon.

In case it helps, I did try to get out and audition some speakers this weekend. My opinions on things I heard:
Paradigm: Studio 20 - at a used shop, least favorite of the bunch, seemed muffled in reproduction

B&W: CM1 - Favorite of the bunch. Seemed to have good punchy bass and clear/clean accurate reproduction else where.

Vienna Acoustics: Haydn - most powerful fairly clean bass, but maybe too much, and the rest seemed lacking against the B&W CM1

Monitor Audio: RX1 - had neither the bass of the Haydn or the seeming increased accuracy of the CM1, nothing to incentivise further thought

So I guess what I'm looking for is anything in my budget that could potentially outperform the CM1s in my mind. I also listened to a number of tower speakers as I'm considering a future TV room upgrade and found my favorites to be some Energy C-8s at the used shop (winning out over Dahlquist M-905, Kef 103-4, and Mirage OM-10) and MartinLogan Purity at the new shop (winning out over just the B&W CM8/9 which oddly seemed to lack the bass power of their bookshelf CM1 version, at least in my opinion). I'm open to things that may sound a little different but could convince me to like them due to their overall performance.

Also,
I've received suggestions on the following internet only models:
Salk SongSurround I
SVS MBS-01
Ascend Sierra 1

And was wondering if anyone could tell me how those stacked up to the CM1s. I'd say of the speakers I heard and liked more it was generally due to a sense that they were quickly and cleanly keeping up with my music and not just producing the general beat. Also that they didn't seem to struggle when the music transitioned (like when vocals started they would just start, it wasn't noticably jarring). I'm curious if anyone knows how these internet only brands stack up in that department. I'd also appreciate suggestions for speakers I might be able to audition in stores.

Thanks for reading and I appreciate any suggestions.

You have dozens of great choices for bookshelf speakers in your range. Since listening preferences are subjective, take a look at the speakers listed here and try to audition as many as possible.

Here are three speakers for consideration, all excellent, each providing a unique experience:

Dali Helicon 300 MK1
Usher 718 and here and here
Harbeth P3ESR

Try to demo these three at least.
post #5 of 30
Here are three speakers for consideration, all excellent, each providing a unique experience:

Dali Helicon 300 MK1
Usher 718 and here and here
Harbeth P3ESR

Try to demo these three at least.[/quote]

Good taste in speakers sir...

The Harbeth speakers sound absolutely awesome. The only thing to consider with them is how they will be placed in a space. The cabinets are designed a lot like acoustic instruments and need a fair amount of air space around them. They are very transparent and give out an outstanding soundstage.

The 718's are also another great choice.
post #6 of 30
How about Dynaudio? If you are not afraid of used, you open up a few more choices. Paradigm Studio 20s could fit the bill as well.
post #7 of 30
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Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

You have dozens of great choices for bookshelf speakers in your range. Since listening preferences are subjective, take a look at the speakers listed here and try to audition as many as possible.

Here are three speakers for consideration, all excellent, each providing a unique experience:

Dali Helicon 300 MK1
Usher 718 and here and here
Harbeth P3ESR

Try to demo these three at least.

Agreed. I would add Avalon Acoustics NP Evolution - slightly above the price range but within haggling distance. Also, I love B&W's CM line but prefer the CM5.

Ron
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post

Agreed. I would add Avalon Acoustics NP Evolution - slightly above the price range but within haggling distance. Also, I love B&W's CM line but prefer the CM5.

Ron, I have never heard the CM5's, but I have heard the CM1's, and I think it has a lot to be desired in the midrange...very recessed.

Have you ever done a side by side comparison with your Era's?
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Ron, I have never heard the CM5's, but I have heard the CM1's, and I think it has a lot to be desired in the midrange...very recessed.

Have you ever done a side by side comparison with your Era's?

Yes, went back and forth between the B&W CM5's and ERA D5's for about 90 minutes. They are quite similar but I had a very slight preference for the B&W's. IMO they were about twice the price and 1% better. I only briefly heard the CM1's so can't really compare.

I hope the OP is able to listen to the Salks and Ascends on his list.

Ron
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post

Yes, went back and forth between the two for about 90 minutes. They are quite similar but I had a very slight preference for the B&W's. IMO they were about twice the price and 1% better. I only briefly heard the CM1's so can't really compare.

OK...it is the morning, so I may not be completely coherent.

Did you compare the CM1's to your Era's? I thought you owned Era's?
post #11 of 30
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

Did you compare the CM1's to your Era's? I thought you owned Era's?

CM5's to D5's, I think the dimensions of the CM1 would lend themselves more to comparison with the D4's - I wanted more bass than either of those provided.

Ron
post #12 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post

CM5's to D5's, I think the dimensions of the CM1 would lend themselves more to comparison with the D4's - I wanted more bass than either of those provided.

I'd be interested in what you thought if you compared the CM1 to the D4 or D5. To me, the CM1 is just an example of highs and lows with the stuff in between lacking.
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by cschang View Post

I'd be interested in what you thought if you compared the CM1 to the D4 or D5. To me, the CM1 is just an example of highs and lows with the stuff in between lacking.

I preferred the D4 to the CM1 (and if the OP is looking for a nearfield monitor they are worth auditioning), the CM5 & CM7's are my faves in the CM line.

These are worth noting: Aerial 5B

Ron
post #14 of 30
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ravingndrooling View Post

How about Dynaudio? If you are not afraid of used, you open up a few more choices. Paradigm Studio 20s could fit the bill as well.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about used. Instinctively the idea of putting down real money for a product that I haven't seen the cosmetic condition of with my own eyes, or putting down money for something this pricey without the full warranty, rubs me the wrong way. Heck, even buying internet direct leaves me nervous now that I've done a round in stores and actually know with certainty speakers do indeed sound different. In all liklihood I think I will go new from an in store brand. I figure what I'll end up doing is going out for another audition round this weekend, then coming back with what I learn and seeing if it can do a better job of narrowing to just one of the internet three.
I'll certainly try my best to hunt down a dynaudio audition.

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevensctt View Post

Here are three speakers for consideration, all excellent, each providing a unique experience:

Dali Helicon 300 MK1
Usher 718
Harbeth P3ESR

Try to demo these three at least.

Two out right pass my budget even used and the last is pushing it pretty hard. I appreciate the suggestions still, but I will excuse these from my search. The moment I start thinking about spending more, the more of a possibility it becomes, and I don't like that.
post #15 of 30
Find out how much a pair of RBH 61-SE/R would cost you.

Otherwise find a pair of these near you:
http://cgi.ebay.com/FOCAL-CMS-50-ACT...item35ac2f568e
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by PhantmShado View Post

Two out right pass my budget even used and the last is pushing it pretty hard. I appreciate the suggestions still, but I will excuse these from my search. The moment I start thinking about spending more, the more of a possibility it becomes, and I don't like that.

Speaker budget = $1500? I look at those as asking prices. All state obo.
post #17 of 30
Thread Starter 
RBH has no in city dealers (Seattle) which unfortunately takes them off my list (I am carless, my own choice, so long as I reside in city I can't justify the investment, not like my priorities are in the wrong order getting speakers first).

Focal does however have an in city dealer, so I will be sure to trial those if available.

Also, that same shop deals Dali, so I'll be sure to listen and make an offer for the used ones if I like them (though woah those things are big, I'm gonna need to measure my area/consider what I can accomplish with wall mounting, probably just shelves? any tips on that? Not like I've installed shelves either...).
post #18 of 30
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhantmShado View Post

RBH has no in city dealers (Seattle) which unfortunately takes them off my list (I am carless, my own choice, so long as I reside in city I can't justify the investment, not like my priorities are in the wrong order getting speakers first).

Focal does however have an in city dealer, so I will be sure to trial those if available.

I undertook this exact search one year ago - in Seattle.

Where have you auditioned? At Definitive they have B&W's CM line (or at least they used to, and you can compare them to ERA D5 or D4 and see what you think for far less money.

Next door at Speakerlab Dali's Ikon 2's are very good. Resolution Audio has Avalon NP Evolution which are slightly out of your budget but he might deal.

OR - go nuts! http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/ele/2024928474.html

OOH, and these Genesis speakers: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/ele/2027125259.html

Good luck and I'll be interested in what you end up with!

Ron
post #19 of 30
Thread Starter 
So far I've just made a visit to Hawthorne Stereo and Magnolia AV. My ill planned trip made those run me out of time. Though I did also lose a whole bunch of time trying to pinpoint if I had any issue with the MartinLogan Puritys. I still don't know the answer to that.

I'm not sure I understand you though. Are you saying Definitive deals ERA? I don't see them in their website's brand list. And why would it cost me money to compare? I'm genuinely confused. Please explain.

Resolution Audio appears to have a number of brands the stores in hifi row don't have. I'm unsure why I couldn't get their name to come up with my googling. Its separate location is going to mean a separate day though, and an even greater need for me to keep in mind the things my liked speakers are doing so there as close to an objective comparison as possible.
post #20 of 30
Definitive and Speakerlab will be good choices too. Definitive carries ERA, ERA is phasing out the brand and becoming a two channel company under (I think) the Peachtree label.

Their website isn't working for me right now but you can see ERA speakers via the clearance link and by using the "shop online" section of their web site.

My comment about costing less wasn't meant to refer to auditioning. Rather, I feel that the B&W CM5, ERA D5, and Dali Ikon 2 have a very similar sound and since the ERA's are on closeout you can save money if you end up liking them.

Alternatively, once you hear the NP Evolution you might be trying to find more then your designated amount of scratch.

Be careful at Resolution Audio, they are really nice guys but also true believers in hifi voodoo. Make them play stuff through their solid state amp in the front section (that's where the stuff is that you can afford anyway).

In addition to Avalon's make sure you listen to KEF and Usher, just for kicks listen to the Harbeths.

Ron
post #21 of 30
Thread Starter 
Ah, I see. Thanks for pointing that out. In regards to dynaudio, are there specific sets I should try to hear?
post #22 of 30
Thread Starter 
Okee doke, all done, speakers are ordered. Now for the anticipation riddled process of waiting for delivery.

In the meantime, RonaldoCombs said he was interested in what I ended up with, so I think I'll do a recap of the day. It goes without saying, but these opinions are of course all my own and don't necessarily guarantee you the purchase you would be most satisfied with if followed. I'll accompany each with a msrp price for quick reference, though you should know you can knock a little off some of these by negotiation at a local shop.

The winners of the day:
Linn Majik 109 - $1590:
The one I'm currently waiting on a delivery of. Great soundstage. Also noticeably pulled some things that used to be in the background forward and, while it seemed different from what I was used to, it just did it so cleanly and without sacrificing any sound that used to be there that I just liked it all the more for it. It just seemed like more was playing at once, and that the detail on all that more was still excellent. What really sold me on them was hearing them reproduce trumpets, which they just brought to life as though I was there.

Era D5 - $900:
These are actually being rebranded as peachtrees that retail for $1000. I heard the non rebranded ones though and they truly were the runner up in my mind. This is even with counting the ones inbetween these two prices. I handed the edge to the Linn Majik, but even were money to be no object, I wouldn't think less of anyone who sided with the Era D5 of the two. These were also very open (not quite as much, basically it came down to closing ones eyes and seeing which was easier to pinpoint as the source of the music in the room, and it seemed to be the D5s, though it was close) and very good at hanging on to the beat, though ever so slightly less sharp than the Linn.


Runner ups:
B&W CM5 - $1500:
Probably my favorite of the runner ups, I could see them doing quite well in a home theater setup. It just felt like their sound was less controlled as compared to the nice clean way the linns came across.

PSB Imagine B - $1000:
A lot like the CM5, just not as well defined, and lacking in any real sort of impact. Didn't compare them too closely as neither were my favorite.

Dynaudio Excite X12 - $1200:
Same deal. A perfectly strong performer, but just not as good as the two I placed at the top. Maybe beat out the PSB in my mind, but didn't knock out the CM5. Lacked the clarity of my two favorites.

Non Contenders (for me at least):
Quad 11L2 - $800:
Perhaps unsurprising at the price difference, but a truly poor performer in comparison. Sounded muffled and undetailed. I was quickly done listening to it.

Focal 807v - $1000:
Boomy less than controlled bass. Didn't care to keep analyzing, was never going to like hearing my music that way. Was done listening within one track.

Paradigm Studio 20 - $1000:
I know this is a favorite of people here, so I may just bring on the flak when I say this, but it took me all of 40 seconds to throw it out of consideration. That's how long they played before they did something no other speaker I listened to did: flat out warped a note. You know how it is, when you watch a movie through an old TV or the like, and they hit that particular high note, or that man's deep voice, and it comes through with a buzz because the speakers just can't do it? It was kind of like that. A blaring sudden "oh god, what was that sound, there is nothing wrong with the cd, I have been using it all day." Maybe they had already blown them out, I don't know, but there's no way the acoustics of the room could have done that without help from the speakers and it's not like I had anyway left to consider them if it was the case they were no longer any good.


I ended up not making the trip out to Resolution Audio as I was told several times through the day they were unpleasant to work with and because unlike last weekend, I actually got a sense I'd be happy just walking home with the Linns. So that's what I did. Oh, also, for fellow Seattlites, I may expand this section in the future, but of the six shops I went to:
Hawthorne Stereo
Magnolia AV
Speakerlab
Definitive
Audio Connection
Experience Audio

Definitive and Audio Connection just stood out as providing great shopping experiences. I strongly recommend both, though I'm pretty sure Audio Connection is more of a vinyl place (as in turn table sales and maintenance, and some tube stuff (but seemingly affordable tube stuff, I just wasn't interested), not a record seller).
post #23 of 30
^^^^^^^^^

Nice write-up. I've heard most on your list and would now like to hear the Linns. Looks like you had a very good auditioning experience.
post #24 of 30
Sounds like a fun and productive audition! It's been awhile (um, last century), but I've always liked Linn's, congrats!

Ron
post #25 of 30
You did it right - This will save you from buyer's remorse. Enjoy!
post #26 of 30
Hey, I just did the same tour, Minus Experience and adding that shop downtown.

Listened to the Majestics at Definitive, awesome sounding and looking, just not in my price range.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by RonaldoCombs View Post
I preferred the D4 to the CM1 (and if the OP is looking for a nearfield monitor they are worth auditioning), the CM5 & CM7's are my faves in the CM line.

These are worth noting: Aerial 5B

Ron
The Aerial 5b's are worth a look. $1150 w/stands is a steal. New that would cost you depending on stands $2500-$2900. I have an all Aerial surround system w/ Model 6's a cc-3 and the older 5's as rears and by far the best sound I ever had. Aerials are very musicl speakers and the fit and finish is an A+. Two things Aerials love lots of power and if your into heavy bass add a sub. The mid range and sound stage outstanding. Also if your looking for new add the Nola Boxer to your list $1500.
post #28 of 30
Currently doing a similar search and leaning towards the Linns. Has anyone here compared these to the Ascend Sierra-1s? Those get excellent reviews as well. Thanks.
post #29 of 30
how big is your room? if its small i would suggest the reference3a dulcet. i have a pair of reference 3a mm de capo-i which are larger and more expensive and "i" think are the best sounding speakers for the money especially when i got them used for $1500. never heard the dulcets but if they are 1/2 as good as the capo's
post #30 of 30
Two story great/family room that flows into a standard single story kitchen.

As background: For various reasons I sold off my Paradigm Monitor 5s (large bookshelf speakers; ~$500 back in 2004 when I got them) and need to move higher-end bookshelf speakers (which will be placed into an entertainment center built into a shallow alcove).

Have borrowed Linn Musika 109s ($1500/pr) and they sound pretty good. Before I pull the trigger on those, though, I'm wondering how they compare to Sierra-1s from Ascend which also get great reviews but are much less expensive (~$850) and not available for audition at retail. Are the Linns worth the premium? Really hoping to get some beautiful sound for music enjoyment by stepping up from the Monitor 5s.
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