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post #3241 of 3674
Sorry for spelling/grammar...posting from phone.
post #3242 of 3674
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Originally Posted by cnjvh View Post

Just noticed that tmt5 appears to use bob deinterlacing. If i set deinterlacing to forced or or auto and play an interlaced 1080i black/white line pattern the whole screen goes white (bob deinterlace). If I force it to off so the video card is doing the deinterlacin, I get all 1080 black/white lines. Anyone else notice this?

You should get:


Hardware Acceleration: checked

 

- Auto deinterlace: Vector adaptive (or the best deinterlacing method the graphics card supports)

- Force deinterlace: Vector adaptive(or the best deinterlacing method the graphics card supports)

- None: Weave

 

Hardware Acceleration: unchecked

 

- Auto deinterlace: Bob

- Force deinterlace: Bob

- None: Weave

 

Of course with a 1 pixel black/white line pattern you can't distinguish weave and adaptive deinterlacing.


Edited by renethx - 6/11/12 at 6:28pm
post #3243 of 3674
Interesting. Regardless of whether I have Hardware Acceleration checked or unchecked, the only setting that gives me full resolution is None. No big deal, I can leave it at none.

Just going through the system with the DVE Blu-Ray setup disk and have noticed another problem...blacks and whites are crushed. All above white and below black information is missing. I found the setting in the Intel control panel for the video range and tried all the available settings (Default, Full, and Limited) but none of these fixed the issue. Also tried all of these settings with video type set to Ycbcr and didn't help either. Doesn't seem to be any way to get full video range with the Intel HD 3000 graphics setup.

So these are my issues. I've found workarounds for most of them but if anyone is seeing any of these, you're not alone:

1. Bob deinterlacing when usigng any of the TMT5 deinterlacing options. Workaround - set deinterlacing to none.
2. TMT5 crashing when playback is stopped (using MC player plugin) if auto refresh switching is enabled. External player is fine. Workaround - set Media Browser to launch external player.
3. Crushed whites/blacks. No workaround (but low impact since your not really supposed to see this information anyway)

Probably some others I forgot. This is so close to being the perfect solution for me so I hope some of these issues get addressed with future releases cool.gif
post #3244 of 3674
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Originally Posted by cnjvh View Post

Interesting. Regardless of whether I have Hardware Acceleration checked or unchecked, the only setting that gives me full resolution is None. No big deal, I can leave it at none.
Just going through the system with the DVE Blu-Ray setup disk and have noticed another problem...blacks and whites are crushed. All above white and below black information is missing. I found the setting in the Intel control panel for the video range and tried all the available settings (Default, Full, and Limited) but none of these fixed the issue. Also tried all of these settings with video type set to Ycbcr and didn't help either. Doesn't seem to be any way to get full video range with the Intel HD 3000 graphics setup.
So these are my issues. I've found workarounds for most of them but if anyone is seeing any of these, you're not alone:
1. Bob deinterlacing when usigng any of the TMT5 deinterlacing options. Workaround - set deinterlacing to none.
2. TMT5 crashing when playback is stopped (using MC player plugin) if auto refresh switching is enabled. External player is fine. Workaround - set Media Browser to launch external player.
3. Crushed whites/blacks. No workaround (but low impact since your not really supposed to see this information anyway)
Probably some others I forgot. This is so close to being the perfect solution for me so I hope some of these issues get addressed with future releases cool.gif

Have you updated to the latest Media Browser 2.6? They did a major change in how MB launches TMT5.
post #3245 of 3674
I haven't actually. I did see the release yesterday and I'm a little hesitant only because I have something that works now (although not optimally) and I'm a little nervous about messing with it. I guess I could just ghost the drive first. At least then I can restore the image if things bugger up.
post #3246 of 3674
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Originally Posted by cnjvh View Post

I haven't actually. I did see the release yesterday and I'm a little hesitant only because I have something that works now (although not optimally) and I'm a little nervous about messing with it. I guess I could just ghost the drive first. At least then I can restore the image if things bugger up.

All I can tell you is before the new version I haven't been able to use TMT5 because it was very unreliable at launching. So for with the new version I haven't had any issues, I would give it a try, MB is pretty easy to drop back versions if you need to. I have never tried the auto refresh switcher yet though, mine wont do a correct 24p so I haven't bothered trying.
post #3247 of 3674
Upgraded to the new Media Browser. Didn't thave alot of time to test it but I can say that I started and stopped about 5 movies using the internal player with auto refresh enabled and no crashes at all. So initial reports are very postive. I love the new feature of adding themoviedatabse ID number to the title to get it to pull down pictures adn backdrops. Had two movies that I could not get to resolve no matter what I named them and this fixed it right up.

A worthy upgrade so far : - )
post #3248 of 3674
I was wondering if TMT5 was going to have the ability to convert 2D blurays to 3D on the fly like it does for 2D DVDs. I like the ability for DVDs, but I haven't bought a DVD in years and watching DVD quality movies on a 73" TV isn't that great.
post #3249 of 3674
Does anyone have a crash whenever they exit tmt with the mce player???

I also have resolution change activated so that might be a factor as well, but it keeps crashing whenever i exit the mce tmt player.
post #3250 of 3674
i had the same issue when using Auto Refresh Rate switching and Media Browser 2.5.3. Upgrading Media Browser to version 2.6 appears to have corrected it for me.
post #3251 of 3674
So after working with support about the refresh rate crash.

My blurays keep freezing a few seconds in every time i try to play a bluray.

This just came up after support told me to reinstall it.

This is so stupid and weird, does anyone have any idea whats going on.

As I watch a movie it goes through Warner brothers movie company ect... then freezes!
post #3252 of 3674
Did you rip with AnyDvd? If so re-rip but this time disable bd-live and see what happens. Fixed a similar issue for me.
post #3253 of 3674
Cant you just refuse internet connection or disable it in tmt? I have it disabled.

Anyway it does play, but it takes a minute of black screen. I assumed it was crashing but now im finding a couple movies are taking over a minute to load, where its just black screen! I had recently been using a tmt version from last year and I dont remember having these issues.

Powerdvd 12 is playing them fine and quickly.
post #3254 of 3674
I put in a disc with similar issue although it was not quite as long of black screen as shining, but it was 30 seconds of black screen. Put in the disc, loaded any dvd and made sure diable bd live was checked, anydvd scanned the disc and it played in tmt...but no change 30 seconds of black screen before the movie loaded.

Maybe someone else with the shining region A could check. I almost think the problem is from support at arcosft keeping asking me to reinstall tmt due to the resolution change crash. Whenever i uninstall its like theres still a bunch of files left over, because when i reinstall it remembers all my settings and doesnt ask for my key. If anyone can test the shining region a it would be appreciated. I am on a 3.1ghz amd, with ati 5770, shouldnt be slow.

Its a few older discs it just seems are taking forever and tmt struggles to load them. They take 30-60 seconds of black screen to load, powerdvd loads it very quick! Thats whats more frustrating.

The one i tried was batman under the red hood.
Edited by Murilo - 6/18/12 at 11:10pm
post #3255 of 3674
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Edited by Murilo - 6/19/12 at 1:13am
post #3256 of 3674
Well I solved the issue. Unbelievable.

I was getting jerky playback at 23hz as mentioned above. SO i was told by support to make sure security essentials was not doing anything in the background.....

Well anyway i began to stop the security essential process completely when i tested and watched movies.

Well now it appears security essentials has flagged tmt or something bizarre now. And whenever I start TMT security essentials starts doing something and security essentials goes from 0% to 45%...and its like its scanning or checking constantly what tmt does.

I am going to assume by shutting down security essentials recently whenever i launched tmt, the program and behavior monotiring took notice?

GRRRR!

SO now do i have to turn off secuiryt essentials whenever i want to use TMT?

Maybe someone can help me because this is absurd. If i turn off security essentials everything plays smooth, but as soon as security essentials is going, it goes nuts whenever i start tmt and tmt starts to take forever to load or respond.
Edited by Murilo - 6/19/12 at 2:10am
post #3257 of 3674
Is this happening when playing a rip or straight from the disc?
post #3258 of 3674
Did not matter, it happened for both. Whenever tmt was launched and playing something.

Just watched a movie finally, turned security essentials off, perfectly smooth quick playback.

Turn security essentials on, and it goes crazy, tmt becomes so slow loading menus and scenes. Turn TMT off security essentials goes back to 0-1% cpu usage.

Discs dont matter, its acting up now whenever tmt is running.


It is worse for certain movies or discs. Its just strange... Mostly on older discs security essentials is flaring up worse with tmt. On powerdvd playing the same discs security essentials is not flaring up.


District 9 for instance plays fine using tmt... small spikes in security essentials before loading, nothing really above 10% for a split second.

The shining large spike before movie starts, tmt stalls, security essentials jumps to 35% takes time to load. Once the movie starts its because security essentials seems to have finished and is back down to 1% almost like security essentials has scanned everything now movie will play after a minute.

Turn security essentials off, quick smooth playback of the shining, no issues with any disc, everything loads and plays smoothly.

Powerdvd 12 with security essentials on, playing the shining and district 9, no spikes at all...Nothing above 1%

Clearly from this security essentials is doing some suspicious scanning or checking of whatever tmt plays, newer rips or movies seems to scan quickly with small spikes, older discs scans take a long time (almost a minute) before the movie plays. With powerdvd 12 security essentials is not suspicious at all playing the same files. No spikes ever with security essentials when powerdvd 12 is playing the same file.
Edited by Murilo - 6/19/12 at 6:24am
post #3259 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

Did not matter, it happened for both. Whenever tmt was launched and playing something.
Just watched a movie finally, turned security essentials off, perfectly smooth quick playback.
Turn security essentials on, and it goes crazy, tmt becomes so slow loading menus and scenes. Turn TMT off security essentials goes back to 0-1% cpu usage.
Discs dont matter, its acting up now whenever tmt is running.

You may want to consider adding TMT to the list of Excluded processes. You can also exclude file types. Some combination of the 2 will most likely resolve the problem for you.
post #3260 of 3674
I did try that, but it did not work, it says in security essentials excluding files will speed up a scan.... In this case this is real time protection causing the issue, i think thats the problem because excluding tmt player did not do anything.


The actual process i should mention is MsMpEng.exe
post #3261 of 3674
Anyway one other question if anyone can answer. Im not sure if im into 3d and all, but looking for a new tv i might want to try it.

What refresh rate does 3d even use is it 120hz? And if so does tmt auto switch your pc refresh rate to that resolution when playing a 3d disc?

Just curious if anyone can answer.
post #3262 of 3674
As far as bluray 3D is concerned, the only mode tmt plays is 24.00hz--24 fps per eye. It switches to this rate automatically. In fact, it's been done by the graphic driver I believe (according to Jason from Arcsoft, tmt just 'tells' the driver that the content is bluray 3D, and the driver does the rest). Your display should report an video source of 48.00 hz (2x each eye), but internally the display can do double, triple, or quadruple the refresh rate for output.

Unfortunately, ati doesn't output bluray 3D in the correct 23.976 fps automatically, and currently there's no workaround to impose the '23hz' mode for 3D automatically.
post #3263 of 3674
That matches my understanding, and I find the last bit true, but unfortunate. I pushed for an enthusiast level solution for 3D like our INI key for 2D 23hz but couldn't get the resources dedicated for the new release.
post #3264 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Murilo View Post

The shining large spike before movie starts, tmt stalls, security essentials jumps to 35% takes time to load. Once the movie starts its because security essentials seems to have finished and is back down to 1% almost like security essentials has scanned everything now movie will play after a minute.
Turn security essentials off, quick smooth playback of the shining, no issues with any disc, everything loads and plays smoothly.

I exempted my ISO folders from scanning. Why scan something I know is not infected?
post #3265 of 3674
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

That matches my understanding, and I find the last bit true, but unfortunate. I pushed for an enthusiast level solution for 3D like our INI key for 2D 23hz but couldn't get the resources dedicated for the new release.

Are you saying a new release is imminent?eek.gif
post #3266 of 3674
They're always working on a new release. It doesn't mean it's imminent. smile.gif
post #3267 of 3674
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Originally Posted by Theologian View Post

As far as bluray 3D is concerned, the only mode tmt plays is 24.00hz--24 fps per eye. It switches to this rate automatically. In fact, it's been done by the graphic driver I believe (according to Jason from Arcsoft, tmt just 'tells' the driver that the content is bluray 3D, and the driver does the rest). Your display should report an video source of 48.00 hz (2x each eye), but internally the display can do double, triple, or quadruple the refresh rate for output.
Unfortunately, ati doesn't output bluray 3D in the correct 23.976 fps automatically, and currently there's no workaround to impose the '23hz' mode for 3D automatically.


Ouch i can get 23.967 working smoothly without hardware acceleration enabled, but not 24hz, just to much stutter.

I might have to use two players... cyberlink for iso 3d, and tmt for bdmv 2d playback.
post #3268 of 3674
Quote:
Originally Posted by Theologian View Post

As far as bluray 3D is concerned, the only mode tmt plays is 24.00hz--24 fps per eye. It switches to this rate automatically. In fact, it's been done by the graphic driver I believe (according to Jason from Arcsoft, tmt just 'tells' the driver that the content is bluray 3D, and the driver does the rest). Your display should report an video source of 48.00 hz (2x each eye), but internally the display can do double, triple, or quadruple the refresh rate for output.
Unfortunately, ati doesn't output bluray 3D in the correct 23.976 fps automatically, and currently there's no workaround to impose the '23hz' mode for 3D automatically.

So i just tried a 3d movie rip, i dont have a 3d tv yet. My card is ati 5770, i have heard rumors it does not do 3d? But i am looking at a 6XXX series card when i build my htpc soon, i am just testing this all on a desktop.

Anyway i had no resolution change it seemed for 3d, but it always works for 2d? Is it more hit and miss with 3d, or do I need a newer card or 3d display? It kept playing it back at 60hz.

Any help would be appreciated im testing all of this so i dont buy something thats a mistake.


Oh also with this method you mentioned telling the drive its displaying 3d, does that mean it wont switch back to 60hz when its done? Like 2d material does?
Edited by Murilo - 6/20/12 at 11:40pm
post #3269 of 3674
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Originally Posted by ArcSoft_Jason View Post

That matches my understanding, and I find the last bit true, but unfortunate. I pushed for an enthusiast level solution for 3D like our INI key for 2D 23hz but couldn't get the resources dedicated for the new release.

Would you mind elaborating on this INI key for 2D 23hz solution for ati cards?
I am having some difficulty with stuttering after starting an ISO from media browser to the totalmedia plugin for WMC. My total media player is updated to the newest version.

Thanks
Edited by khalid7412002 - 6/21/12 at 1:52am
post #3270 of 3674
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Originally Posted by khalid7412002 View Post

Would you mind elaborating on this INI key for 2D 23hz solution for ati cards?
I am having some difficulty with stuttering after starting an ISO from media browser to the totalmedia plugin for WMC. My total media player is updated to the newest version.
Thanks

Here

http://www.arcsoft.jp/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=9827&PID=44808&title=23hz-ini-file-mod-reduced-stutter#top
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