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1080p60 over coax with QAM

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There have been several recent threads on intra-building distribution of high quality signals, particularly the one on Best Buy and on bars/restaurants.

I'm asking this in curiosity; I don't even own a 1080 receiver and don't install systems, but do try to keep current on technology.

The higher end ZeeVee box offers 1080p60 out. It suggests that inputs can come via VGA (I understand this one) or component (signal makes sense, but BD players won't output 1080P except to HDMI as I understand it). Is there any 1080p source without DRM other than from a computer. I understand that the ZeeVee deinterlaces (and/or upconverts) to get the 1080p signal.

1080p receivers will accept 1080p sources via HDMI from what I have seen. Will all or some accept 1080p60 via QAM RF?
post #2 of 12
The ZvPro 280 doesn't output 1080p60. The encoder only does MPEG2 MP@HL, which maxes out at 1920x1080 at 30 frames per second. Clever marketing trickery to claim 1080p output and 1080p60 input, while never actually claiming support for 1080p60 output.
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I'm not sure what the point of the question is?

There are no A/V receivers that will accept any QAM signal, which is RF modulated; all of them require unmodulated signals, like HDMI/composite video/S-Video/composite video.
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I'm not sure what the point of the question is?

There are no A/V receivers that will accept any QAM signal, which is RF modulated; all of them require unmodulated signals, like HDMI/composite video/S-Video/composite video.

Ken, I was not (and am not) talking about A/V receivers, rather HDTV receivers. My question is whether a typical receiver which handles 720p and 1080i via QAM and 8VSB, and 1080p via HDMI can handle 1080p via QAM. I had a fatal flaw in my question, ASSUMING that 1080p over QAM even exists; my reference was wrong, so I'll amend my question to include "does QAM256 have the capability of carrying 1080p content?" I think I am aware that bandwidth prevents a 1080p signal over 8VSB modulation in the 6 MHz allocation, and thus by implication in traditional HDTV receivers.
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Originally Posted by gbynum View Post

"does QAM256 have the capability of carrying 1080p content?"

Yes. QAM 256 has a payload of ~38 Mbps so it could carry 1080p content.
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Originally Posted by gbynum View Post

I think I am aware that bandwidth prevents a 1080p signal over 8VSB modulation in the 6 MHz allocation, and thus by implication in traditional HDTV receivers.

1080p @ 23.976, 24, 29.97, & 30 Hz are all part of the ATSC standards and should be receivable by any Digital TV tuner. 1080p @ 60 Hz is not.
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

1080p @ 23.976, 24, 29.97, & 30 Hz are all part of the ATSC standards and should be receivable by any Digital TV tuner. 1080p @ 60 Hz is not.

As far as I recall, in July 2008, ATSC was updated to support the ITU-T H.264 video codec, i.e. 1080p at 50, 59.94 and 60 frames per second, among others.
Check it out:
http://www.atsc.org/cms/standards/a_72_part_1.pdf
http://www.atsc.org/cms/standards/a_72_part_2.pdf
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Originally Posted by the good View Post

As far as I recall, in July 2008, ATSC was updated to support the ITU-T H.264 video codec, i.e. 1080p at 50, 59.94 and 60 frames per second, among others.
Check it out:
http://www.atsc.org/cms/standards/a_72_part_1.pdf
http://www.atsc.org/cms/standards/a_72_part_2.pdf

So the standard to use H.264 and 60 fps terrestial digital TV exists.
Is receiver/transmitter hardware available? And at what prices?
This could be the basis of thru the air 60fps, 1080p HDTV non-cable enterprises that successfully compete with the existing cable/satellite providers. The world has come full circle from terrestial analog TV>cable/satellite>H.264 based digital 60fps terrestial digital TV.

iq100
delete my ideas by posting one of your own.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

1080p @ 23.976, 24, 29.97, & 30 Hz are all part of the ATSC standards and should be receivable by any Digital TV tuner. 1080p @ 60 Hz is not.

I would be interesting if someone with a 1080p QAM or ATSC source would verify if an HDTV would display it properly.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by iq100 View Post

... the basis ...

You got that wright, cause 1080p/60 is in infancy. Cameras shoting at this frame rate and with that resolution are (relative) new and cost a lot, so there is (almost) no content available. So, without content, what's the point?

From my knowledge, beside NASCAR Media Group who just recently (i.e. May or April, 2010) put some (5 or 6) LDK 8000 in their studio at NASCAR Plaza in downtown Charlotte, NC., there aren't any others. But I may be wrong.
Obviously, cameras alone won't solve the content problem.
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Originally Posted by txrose View Post

I would be interesting if someone with a 1080p QAM or ATSC source would verify if an HDTV would display it properly.

Assuming you're talking about 1080p24 or 30, a lot of modern encoders will dynamically switch between field and frame mode, i.e. interlaced and progressive, in order to take advantage of more efficient coding of progressive frames. I've never seen a TV have a problem with it, though it can confuse some PC-based decoders.
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Originally Posted by coyoteaz View Post

Assuming you're talking about 1080p24 or 30, a lot of modern encoders will dynamically switch between field and frame mode, i.e. interlaced and progressive, in order to take advantage of more efficient coding of progressive frames. I've never seen a TV have a problem with it, though it can confuse some PC-based decoders.

Thanks, That's a good answer.
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