Acer 5360 - Worth it for 3d? - Page 2

if you read my post post a few up from yours, I explained the same situation. I have mine tilted on quite an angle to get it to level with the screen.

There is either a mechanical or digital auto keystoning occuring to square the image. yes it's a pain, just find a way to make it secure.,

Once your watching 3D bluray's, you will forget the PIA setup.

it depends on your expectations.. it's only $600 and the next closest 3D projector is going to be a $3400 JVC-RS40 which isn't out yet. I don't think any of the cheapie DLP 3D projectors (optoma, viewsonic) have lens shift.

What is the rest of your setup? do you have the glasses, an Nvidia Gfx card, PowerDVD 10?

I am only using the Acer for 3D, I have another projector which I prefer for 2D.

Why not flip the pj upside down on the self and see how it fits the screen? Maybe a book underneath to raise it and so on. My ceiling mount with an extension has the ability to tilt the pj either up or down. I lowered it about 18" and tilted it slightly upwards and it fits my screen nicely - did some careful measuring before mounting the mount. The lens shift feature found in projectors over the last three years or so has really spoiled us.

I think I'll be using thew Nvidia GT240 video card, which I've be told will work. I guess I'll find out. Anyway, I hope I have 3D tomorrow! I doubt I'll buy a 1080p 3D projector until there's more competition - I'm waiting for Epson and Panasonic to introduce 3D 1080p projectors to see how they compare to the JVCs. Who knows, with all the horror stories about flicker and ghosting, the 720p DLP 3D projectors, which apparently are flicker and "ghost" free, might be the ticket until they get the bugs worked out of the more expensive ones.

The JVC rep told us in the RS40/50/60 thread that there is going to be a significant announcement tomorrow (I'm guessing, about a delivery time frame). AVSer Petri is also previewing the X3 (RS40). We expect more test reports tomorrow. It's looking very promising.

I definitely want to see more testing, I hope we don't have to jump through hoops with special settings to reduce the ghosting, you can still see it's there after his adjustments, just fainter. i found the same scene in bolt 3D and it's completely non-existence on the Acer.

Also, loss of resolution during motion will be interesting. people complained about this 2d on the older models, hopefully this has been resolved with the new panels. The Acer adjusts very quickly, and fast motion scenes are crisp and blur free.

I am still getting the RS40, but think I'll keep the Acer for sure. I tried a great racing game I play called 'GRID' in 3D mode, it's fantastic on ther Acer/Nvidia setup. Also, i feel like I can abuse it a bit like leave it on for long periods of time. if something happens to it, it was only $600.

I will treat the RS40 with velvet gloves since the bulb is so expensive to replace.

But we also got confirmation that none of these JVCs are final production models yet. When Samsung introduced their first LCD 3D TVs, I was seriously bummed because of ghosting. But even the LCDs are much better now than those first sets that I saw at Best Buy. Nothing like your Acer, I'm sure, but not nearly as awful as they were back then. I'm a lot more hopeful about the RS40 after Petri's later reports today.

I am looking forward to hearing what the JVC rep chris is going to announce tomorrow.. maybe early shipping since these guys in the UK are getting near prod models.

I was a little bummed to hear the JVC glasses have the slight green tint as the Nvidia glasses do. It's not an issue, but people were going on and on how special they were, special color, etc. They sound like the rest of the 3D glasses in regard to the color tint.

ps. I cannot see a single circle in the left eye with your stereo image test for ghosting on the Acer. I believe Conan48 said the same thing as well.

Yes, I read that in the JVC thread. That really surprises me. The only conclusion that I can draw is that it's probable LCDs and plasmas actually do leave ghost images behind (even after one eye view should have been replaced by the next eye view), and that my notion that the glasses let through too much light is not accurate (or at least not nearly the factor I thought it was). Nothing else makes a lot of sense.

It's also a pretty good indicator that the answer to the question in this thread title is, "Hell yes!" Especially if ghosting is your main criterion, and it definitely should be a serious one for 3D.

A buddy and I got the 3D working on the Acer today and wow! I'm really impressed. I've got a couple of 3D BDs and they looked very good - no ghosting or flickering. The only problem was the emitter for the 3D vision glasses. I thought the emitter could be behind the viewers and the signal would bounce off the screen - No! It seems the emitter has to be in front so I'm going to get a usb extension and put it by the screen pointing out at the viewers.

I'll be interested in what those who have the Acer and are getting the JVC RS40 will have to say about the differences. Having now seen what the Acer can do I think I'll pass on the JVC this time around. I'm really impressed especially after lowering brightness a little and raising contrast quite a bit - very nice punchy image on my 120" HP screen!

I don't think there is a person yet that isn't impressed with the price to performance ratio of this projector. IMO, it's begging for the HP screen since there is a lot of light lost once 3D mode kicks in and the shutter glasses are active.

I'm still getting the RS40 (or 50) because i've wanted the great blacks for years from these projectors. I currently have a Mitsubishi 3LCD HC5500 from 2008. It's not bad, but the contrast / blacks aren't much to write about.

The rainbow effect is pretty evident for me in 2d mode on the acer, but I don't really see it in 3d, not sure what's changing in the mode. When I get the JVC, I'll definitely do a side comparison to see pros/cons between both projectors.

check out Imax Space Station if you get a chance, it's a trip.. into space.

The resolution (720p) with the Acer seems as good as any of the 1080p plasmas or LCDs flat panels I've seen and it really surprises me. I suspect looking through glass (or plastic) kills some of the in-your-face detail of 2D BD and maybe the fact that we're seeing one image then the other slightly off set image has something to do with it along with a dimmer image - I don't know, but I've noticed this every time I've watched 3D on a flat panel. When it comes to detail 3D seems to bring everything down a notch, which is much more realistic since I've never seen the detail of 2D BD in real life.

I'll only use the Acer for 3D. I've got lots of great 2D options, but for 3D this thing would be impressive at four times the price.

According to Cine4Home (reviewer) both the Sony ($10,000) and the JVCs ($3,500 to $10,000) both have crosstalk (ghosting) issues. HA HA HA!
Gotta love the Acer even more. I'm definitely waiting on the 3D 1080p projector solution for awhile.

I don't know what you mean by this.

When you configure the HTPC for 3D output, do you set it up for 1080p? Does the Acer accept a full res Blu-ray 3D signal, or does the PC have to do the scaling?

The projector will only do 3d in 1280x720 mode. You will need to setup your PC to 1280x720 otherwise, the projector will not kick-in the 120hz mode necessary for 3D.

i was a little worried about 720P screen door effect on my 142" screen, but there is no sign of it in 3D mode. I have a number of the same titles in 2D and 3D, and going back and forth with my 1080P projector and the 720p acer, the Acer in 3D mode seems every bit as clear and sharp compared to my 2d projector.

Try to get a hold of 'street dance 3d', it's a fast paced movie with real people (getting burned out on the animations).

btw, can you guys with the 2.8 HP screen post your settings? I am running in user mode, gamma 1, and keep the contrast at 53, brightness at 51. I find myself adjusting it to different settings per movie, something I normally wouldn't do with 2D content. Probably because so much light is eaten up by the shutter glasses.

For 2D I'm using an Epson 9500, which is very bright w/o the HP screen, so with it it's really bright and with super resolution set to 2 (out of 3) the amount of detail (every pimple, facial hair, wrinkle) seen can be a little disconcerting. With the lighting for close ups etc. you see detail that you would never see in real life unless you asked someone to stand a few inches from your eyes and you shone a light on his/her skin - no thanks! No super resolution with the Acer so it's not as detailed as my 2D setup, but pretty darn good. The 3D flat panels I've seen while watching 3D have always seemed more natural, but not as detailed as 2D HD, at least for me.

In the Nvidia setting on the Acer I dropped brightness a couple of notches and increased contrast to 80 and degamma to 4 - nice punchy image. No "ghosting" (at least so far) and no flickering. Update: I'm now using gamma 1, Bfightness 50, Contrast 53 or 54.

I have the Geforce 240 card. I'm getting distortion with the sound. DVI to HDMI cable to my Onkyo receiver. Any ideas? and a word of caution to anyone thinking of buying the Nvidia vision glasses - the emitter has a very restricted range. Update: DVI to HDMI cable from computer to projector. HDMI cable to HDMI from computer to receiver. For emitter range adjust this in Wizard and it will give you plenty of range.

What sort of distortion?

Lip sync is off and the distortion is intermittent noise, for lack of a better word. Very noticeable, so I've got some work to do. Great picture, but I need some sound to go with it.

This Acer sounds pretty sweet little DLP machine. I'm on the fence here whether to get an Optoma HD67 (practically the same machine as this Acer) DLP or the Epson 3200 (the European Epson 8350 equivalent) I'm currently struggling with my old Panasonic PT-ae700 with a dim lamp and almost finished polarizers. Eugh.

I'm not sure if I suffer from RBE effect. I did demo an Optoma HD20 unit and didn't see any. Not sure about HD67. The hardest decision is to choose between 1080p and affordable 3D. Zombie10k and Deja Vu, you guys seem to like the sharpness of the Acer. What projector are you comparing them to?

I'm going to be projecting to my 117" screen (gain 1.0) from 12 feet or so.

Solved the sound problem - DVI to HDMI cable goes from the video card's DVI to the projector's HDMI in. HDMI to HDMI cable from video card's HDMI to receiver's HDMI. It now sounds great!

Nvidia 3D vision emitter - make sure you go into the Wizard set up and get the right settings for the emitter. Night and day difference. My glasses now work great.

People considering this projector ought to know that it has an extremely limited zoom range, which will restrict its placement. It might not be a problem, but be aware of it. I thought seriously about getting it, but for the cost of the Acer, I could buy several pairs of JVC glasses for the RS40 I have on order. I'm hoping the JVC will be my one-projector solution for 2D and 3D - along with my High Power screen.

Is there any way to get the 8350 working with a normal hdmi laptop or must the laptop have a 3D video card. I'm trying to understand the signal flow from a laptop. Please correct my theory.

Laptop hdmi output running stereoscopic player feeding 8350 hdmi input.

I suspect the laptop must be running NVidia 3DVision software for the glasses emitter, yes? I haven't seen a block diagram of all this hooked up anywhere. I guess it's in the instruction manuals.

`If you read the set up on the disc that came with the projector, when the projector has no input signal from the computer you can enter the advance set up menu, and you can raise or lower the frame as a lens shift, also sideways left or right. there are more settings in this menu. It will not appear when the projector has an in signal

I think there are more options:

Captured from PJ's own manual:



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I'm getting this projector and building a new pc to work with it. I have a question about the cables. I'll be using the GeForce GTX 460. I'm planning to get a 1.3 HDMI + DVI-HDMI adapter from the card to the projector, and a 1.4 HDMI from the card to the AVR (Denon AVR-1911).

Should I get HDMI 1.4 cables for both? What is the difference between 1.4 and 1.4a HDMI?

Thanks,
ctn